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[Ansatsuken]

Not gonna waste my time with someone interested in his own dumb theories as opposed to what is shown in the Manga. Don't expect another reply.

Good to know. As I take my time to do all this although I think its just a waste of my time because people is to full of themself here and wont accept any possible/good idea.

I think in couple of years I want to meet Kishi to know the truth and I expect my theory is the truth and I keep it as secret.(Im moving to Japan actually)

I end my conversation and contributions for this thread. Dismiss.

 

[KidGamer65]

We agree on many thing here but you still failed to get my point. I think its you the only one that doesnt understand english even though you're from USA.

I know what your point is, but if you could read then you'd know that I know. You said that the only way to get the power is from the Juubi, and that is factually incorrect. End of story.

What is the difference between my explanation of Six Path chakra and Juubi. I think its valid explanation.

The only difference is that one grants Six Path Senjutsu, while the other one has the potential to, but it depends on the receiver, or maybe the receiver's abilities.

you just tried to twisting the info here and Yes Six Path power other name is Rikudou power. Because that we called Hagoromo as Sage of Six Path or Rikudou Sannin.

What info am I twisting? Lol. Read before you reply.

Six Path=Rikudou and Sage=Sannin.

Maybe you confused between Six Path chakra and Six Path senjutsu chakra terms.

Nope. Already differentiated the two.

I dont care if I obliterating my argumemts or points, its because I'm just tried to expain to you about what actually happen to Obito, Naruto, Madara and Hagoromo in manga.

I know what happened to them.

Thats how I debate or argue here, I giving you or everyone info, possible situation, connections, reason etc unlike you. Most of your arguments/debate is just a Debate but to little info or reasons to support your arguments.

If only your word meant anything considering it's just you talking out of your ass, but ok. Lol. I see I got a fan here.

When I said back to basic, You said how Hagoromo can maintained his Six Path power? Its because he inherit it, where is the ptoof in the manga said Hagoromo inherited Six Path power from Kaguya.

Don't be daft now. Arguing with people who can't read properly and ask foolish questions is always annoying.

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They inherited their chakra from Kaguya. Hagoromo's chakra IS Rikudo/Six Paths Chakra. Do the math please. He got his chakra, Six Paths Chakra, from Kaguya. Not debatable unless you want to prove that he didn't inherit his chakra from Kaguya, which he did.

Though I assume it came out of the sky according to you. Lol

You actually in the same boat as me as your statements is just your assumption without manga or DB support.

Not really. I can prove everything I said with manga panels. You can't prove "Hamura got power from Hagoromo" as nothing implies it. Learn the difference between a theory and a fact.

But for me I still see the light of truth. Looks here, we both making an assumption here, you assume he inherited it while I assume he studied Juubi body.

Stick to making theories. Cause you'll never make any good point in any argument when all you can do is assume with zero proof. Like him studying the Juubi's body when nothing implies that such a thing ever happened.

We saw someone thats not a Juubi jin still can obtained Six Path Senjutsu power by stealing that power from Juubi jin.

That's only proof that you don't need the Juubi to get Rikudo's Chakra. That isn't proof that Hagoromo maintained his by studying the Juubi's body. Literally no correlation, but like all people with theories and not evidence, you'll probably say "Let's agree to disagree on fact".

Smh.

Thats why I can make a connection here on how Hagoromo can maintained Six Path Senjutsu power after Juubi is released from his body. He take an unquantifiable amount of Six Path Senjutsu power from Juubi and used it same here for Hamura possibility situation.

Nothing but theories with zero proof.

Im just tried to tell you if your theory about inheritance is not true, Hagoromo still can obtained Six Path Senjutsu power by taking Juubi chakra using Banbutsu Sozo or anything. The way Obito did. Whats is wrong with that?

It's not a theory. Learn what a theory is. Hagoromo's Chakra IS Six Path's Chakra. Hagoromo's Chakra came from his mother, Kaguya. Thus it was inherited. Not debatable. The rest is backed by literally nothing so it's pointless to mention it. You argue with facts and assertions backed with evidence. Not theories with zero evidence.

-Did the Manga imply Hagoromo kept some of the Juubi's power for himself?

No. End of story.

For you I said Zero proof on Hagoromo and Hamura inherited Six Path Senjutsu power from his mother as Manga fact told us Sage Mode, the technique that utilize Natural energy and gave you Senjutsu attack or abilities cant be inherited but must be learned.

Six Paths Senjutsu is not the same as the traditional Sage Mode, so this comparison falls flat on it's face right here.

Theory of yours also can be valid if you show me evidance, manga fact or indirect but possible connection.

Fact=/=Theory. Please learn the difference.

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You mean this right? But when this panel happen inside Kaguya memory?

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why there are no TSB balls near them?

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Same as here also, where is TSB? Black stuff alone is not enough to proof thats a TSB. What is your excuses on missing TSB there?

Except it is when it's literally the same staff.

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So we have you making dumb theories, and now you are ignoring direct Manga fact because you don't want to admit that your theory makes no sense. Lol. What a joke.

Look here, you not get my point by you denied it. I meant beside Juubi chakra, if someone stole Hagoromo chakra that contained Six Path Senjutsu chakra they also can get Six Path Senjutsu if they are Sage mode user. But Obito cases was with Madara. Hagoromo would not be any different.

Which means getting Hagoromo's chakra is another way to get Six Paths Senjutsu, meaning your original statement, that you need to study the Juubi or become it's Jin to get said power is false. End of story. Lol. Not hard to understand.

Six Path Senjutsu that actually gave the user TSB, flight etc. Not Six Path chakra. Manga and DB fact.

Never said it was. Read my post before you reply.

The main point of this thread is TSB. 2 people with Rinnegan obtained this abilitiy after becoming Juubi jin ah recieved Six Path Senjutsu power. 1 people without Rinnegan obtained this ability after recieving Hagoromo power.

Ok? Lol.

And finally yeah Juubi is not needed for someone to obtained Six Path Senjutsu although its clear as the day Juubi the only one that gave Obito and Madara Six Path Senjutsu(TSB, flight etc) and not Rinnegan or Hagoromo. Naruto doesnt have Rinnegan and Juubi eitherLol. Tell that to Kishi, you have created this new fact for fifth Naruto DB

Ok then. End of story. Why in the world are you still arguing? Jesus Christ. Juubi gave them their Six Paths Senjutsu. Hagoromo gave Naruto his. Hagoromo has it even without the Juubi, thus the Juubi is NOt the only way and that is my point. How hard is this for you to understand?

Rinnegan? Why in the hell are you mentioning Rinnegan when I never said getting Rinnegan means you get Six Paths Senjutsu? Lol, learn to read kid. Learn to read cause it's getting pretty annoying at this point.

I saw you think that I conflicted my own statements because I post something that contradicted to my theories.
No Im not contradict anything, Im just expand your theory there because you are to lazy to create theory or expand your reasoning. I'm not supporting your theory there.

There is no theory to be created. I'm telling you facts, and you are replying with dissmissal of evidence and shitty theories. Let's be serious here.

And keep in in mind all thing I stated in my previous post that you quote is for you to understand the basic of Shinju, Kaguya, Fruit, Juubi, Six Path power, Six Path Senjutsu, Hagoromo, Hamura, Obito, Madara and Naruto cases. Also its not just for my arguments, its for your arguments also.

Then you wasted your time, cause the only one who needs to understand how all this works is you. Take your theories out of here.

And I know I said I wasn't going to bother, but the post was full of nonsense so I had to. Lol

Good to know. As I take my time to do all this although I think its just a waste of my time because people is to full of themself here and wont accept any possible/good idea.

I think in couple of years I want to meet Kishi to know the truth and I expect my theory is the truth and I keep it as secret.(Im moving to Japan actually)

I end my conversation and contributions for this thread. Dismiss.

I'll accept any idea, as long as it's not something pulled from the ass of the one suggesting it. Don't make shit up and expect me or anyone with a brain to say that you are correct.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I know what your point is, but if you could read then you'd know that I know. You said that the only way to get the power is from the Juubi, and that is factually incorrect. End of story.


The only difference is that one grants Six Path Senjutsu, while the other one has the potential to, but it depends on the receiver, or maybe the receiver's abilities.

What info am I twisting? Lol. Read before you reply.


Nope. Already differentiated the two.


I know what happened to them.



If only your word meant anything considering it's just you talking out of your ass, but ok. Lol. I see I got a fan here.



Don't be daft now. Arguing with people who can't read properly and ask foolish questions is always annoying.

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They inherited their chakra from Kaguya. Hagoromo's chakra IS Rikudo/Six Paths Chakra. Do the math please. He got his chakra, Six Paths Chakra, from Kaguya. Not debatable unless you want to prove that he didn't inherit his chakra from Kaguya, which he did.

Though I assume it came out of the sky according to you. Lol


Not really. I can prove everything I said with manga panels. You can't prove "Hamura got power from Hagoromo" as nothing implies it. Learn the difference between a theory and a fact.


Stick to making theories. Cause you'll never make any good point in any argument when all you can do is assume with zero proof. Like him studying the Juubi's body when nothing implies that such a thing ever happened.



That's only proof that you don't need the Juubi to get Rikudo's Chakra. That isn't proof that Hagoromo maintained his by studying the Juubi's body. Literally no correlation, but like all people with theories and not evidence, you'll probably say "Let's agree to disagree on fact".

Smh.



Nothing but theories with zero proof.



It's not a theory. Learn what a theory is. Hagoromo's Chakra IS Six Path's Chakra. Hagoromo's Chakra came from his mother, Kaguya. Thus it was inherited. Not debatable. The rest is backed by literally nothing so it's pointless to mention it. You argue with facts and assertions backed with evidence. Not theories with zero evidence.

-Did the Manga imply Hagoromo kept some of the Juubi's power for himself?

No. End of story.



Six Paths Senjutsu is not the same as the traditional Sage Mode, so this comparison falls flat on it's face right here.



Fact=/=Theory. Please learn the difference.


Except it is when it's literally the same staff.

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So we have you making dumb theories, and now you are ignoring direct Manga fact because you don't want to admit that your theory makes no sense. Lol. What a joke.



Which means getting Hagoromo's chakra is another way to get Six Paths Senjutsu, meaning your original statement, that you need to study the Juubi or become it's Jin to get said power is false. End of story. Lol. Not hard to understand.


Never said it was. Read my post before you reply.


Ok? Lol.



Ok then. End of story. Why in the world are you still arguing? Jesus Christ. Juubi gave them their Six Paths Senjutsu. Hagoromo gave Naruto his. Hagoromo has it even without the Juubi, thus the Juubi is NOt the only way and that is my point. How hard is this for you to understand?

Rinnegan? Why in the hell are you mentioning Rinnegan when I never said getting Rinnegan means you get Six Paths Senjutsu? Lol, learn to read kid. Learn to read cause it's getting pretty annoying at this point.


There is no theory to be created. I'm telling you facts, and you are replying with dissmissal of evidence and shitty theories. Let's be serious here.



Then you wasted your time, cause the only one who needs to understand how all this works is you. Take your theories out of here.

And I know I said I wasn't going to bother, but the post was full of nonsense so I had to. Lol



I'll accept any idea, as long as it's not something pulled from the ass of the one suggesting it. Don't make shit up and expect me or anyone with a brain to say that you are correct.

But before this you said Juubi is relevent.

Our argument actually started when you quote my post that said Juubi is the requirment.

Just ignore my theory but good to shared it with you although you not accepted it. And I think there are exist people with brain that can accept my theory if not here(NB) but some where else. Just people with brain here to afraid to think out of the box even for something that have a posibilityLol. Sorry.

But our main argument start when you dismissed/denied juubi as one of the source of Six Path chakra and Senjutsu beside Hagoromo.

Because whats wrong with that? We read same manga here and everyone saw Madara and Obito obtained TSB and other abilities after using ten tails coffin seal.

If you dont like Juubi but accept that his chakra contained Six Path senjutsu also.

 

[KidGamer65]

But before this you said Juubi is relevent.

Never said it wasn't relevant. I said it isn't the only way to get the power.

Our argument actually started when you quote my post that said Juubi is the requirment.

I know.

Just ignore my theory but good to shared it with you although you not accepted it. And I think there are exist people with brain that can accept my theory if not here(NB) but some where else. Just people with brain here to afraid to think out of the box even for something that have a posibility. Sorry.

Lol. It seems you still don't understand huh? Your theory is dumb. Your theory isn't even a theory as it completely contradicts what the Manga has shown. Then there's the fact that you literally have no proof supporting it. No one is afraid to think out of the box. People need to learn the difference between a logical assumption, a baseless assumption, a theory, and a statement that contradicts fact. Jesus Christ.

But our main argument start when you dismissed/denied juubi as one of the source of Six Path chakra and Senjutsu beside Hagoromo.

Lol what the hell? And you accused me of not being able to understand English....

You get Gudo Dama by being the Juubi Jin, or by having Hagoromo's chakra.

Hagoromo and Hamura had the ability to use the Gudo Dama before Hagoromo got the Juubi. Thus the Juubi is only another way,

Smh. Read before you reply. Before. It saves me the trouble of having to pick apart my post so that you won't go saying I said something that I never said.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Never said it wasn't relevant. I said it isn't the only way to get the power.



I know.



Lol. It seems you still don't understand huh? Your theory is dumb. Your theory isn't even a theory as it completely contradicts what the Manga has shown. Then there's the fact that you literally have no proof supporting it. No one is afraid to think out of the box. People need to learn the difference between a logical assumption, a baseless assumption, a theory, and a statement that contradicts fact. Jesus Christ.



Lol what the hell? And you accused me of not being able to understand English....





Smh. Read before you reply. Before. It saves me the trouble of having to pick apart my post so that you won't go saying I said something that I never said.

Its on your number 3 post here. Check it out and clear it for me your true motive english man. If you not posting like that, maybe our conversation end faster and about my theory its still have possibility.Lol

Who said my theory is baseless here, only you. With all that connection I tried to make, you still dont accept it OK. You just can repeat your words here because you dont want to think hard because out of manga fact is not KidGamer way.

Who said I dont understand but every of your reasoning still has a holes and I can fill it if I want. Haha! But just forget about that already.

But if People ask you why you agree that Chakra fruit gave user Six Path Senjutsu? Rinne Sharingan as Kekkei Mora is actually like Rinnegan, its contained Six Path chakra but not Six Path senjutsu chakra. Where is the manga fact or DB that said Chakra fruit gave Six Path Senjutsu? Whats is your logical resoning?

If people ask you why in this panel we saw Hagoromo with TSB but othet two panel we saw Hagoromo is without any TSB? How do you know the staff is made from TSB? Manga fact or DB please.

I just want to test you here as you are hardcore manga fact user and logical thinker beside Shelke in NB

 

[KidGamer65]

Its on your number 3 post here. Check it out and clear it for me your true motive english man. If you not posting like that, maybe our conversation end faster and about my theory its still have possibility.Lol

Once again. Read. The Juubi grants Six Paths Senjutsu because the Juubi contains the Six Paths Chakra. That's it. I stated that the chakra is the cause, not the Juubi itself. What is so hard to understand.

Who said my theory is baseless here, only you. With all that connection I tried to make, you still dont accept it OK. You just can repeat your words here because you dont want to think hard because out of manga fact is not KidGamer way.

Stop acting like a dumbass little child. It's pretty unbecoming. I don't accept your dumb theory cause it's a theory with nothing backing it up. How hard is this for your feeble mind to understand?

Who said I dont understand but every of your reasoning still has a holes and I can fill it if I want. Haha! But just forget about that already.

Except it doesn't. Saying my reasoning has holes in it is the same as saying the Manga is false as I posted scans proving my point. You haven't done anything but make shit up.

But if People ask you why you agree that Chakra fruit gave user Six Path Senjutsu?

Because that is what was shown. Kaguya didn't have Gudo Dama before getting the fruit. Hagoromo's power is Six Paths Power. Hagoromo's power is inherited from Kaguya, as the Manga states.

Rinne Sharingan as Kekkei Mora is actually like Rinnegan, its contained Six Path chakra but not Six Path senjutsu chakra.

What Rinnegan contains is irrelevant as Rinnegan or Rinne Sharingan don't give the user special chakra or abilities outside of it's own.

Where is the manga fact or DB that said Chakra fruit gave Six Path Senjutsu? Whats is your logical resoning?

You whine moan and complain about my post being full of holes, yet you've displayed the inability to actually read it. Time and time again.

-Hagoromo has the Gudo Dama Staff.
-Hagoromo's chakra is Six Paths Chakra.
-Hagoromo got his chakra from Kaguya.
-Kaguya got her chakra from the fruit.

Juubi is NOT needed to gain the Gudo Dama. FACT. Hagoromo is proof.
Juubi is NOT needed to gain Six Paths Senjutsu. FACT. Naruto is proof.

There is no debate. At this point you are merely asking my useless questions.

If people ask you why in this panel we saw Hagoromo with TSB but othet two panel we saw Hagoromo is without any TSB? How do you know the staff is made from TSB? Manga fact or DB please.

It's the same staff with the same appearance. Unless you actually have a good reason to believe that it's different, don't try and argue. I'm not going to try and counter shit that doesn't exist. Learn how an argument works.

I just want to test you here as you are hardcore manga fact user and logical thinker beside Shelke in NB

Lol, that guy isn't logical, and I'm not a hardcore Manga fact user. I've made plenty of arguments that don't have definite manga scans saying that they are true.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Once again. Read. The Juubi grants Six Paths Senjutsu because the Juubi contains the Six Paths Chakra. That's it. I stated that the chakra is the cause, not the Juubi itself. What is so hard to understand.



Stop acting like a dumbass little child. It's pretty unbecoming. I don't accept your dumb theory cause it's a theory with nothing backing it up. How hard is this for your feeble mind to understand?


Except it doesn't. Saying my reasoning has holes in it is the same as saying the Manga is false as I posted scans proving my point. You haven't done anything but make shit up.



Because that is what was shown. Kaguya didn't have Gudo Dama before getting the fruit. Hagoromo's power is Six Paths Power. Hagoromo's power is inherited from Kaguya, as the Manga states.


What Rinnegan contains is irrelevant as Rinnegan or Rinne Sharingan don't give the user special chakra or abilities outside of it's own.



You whine moan and complain about my post being full of holes, yet you've displayed the inability to actually read it. Time and time again.

-Hagoromo has the Gudo Dama Staff.
-Hagoromo's chakra is Six Paths Chakra.
-Hagoromo got his chakra from Kaguya.
-Kaguya got her chakra from the fruit.

Juubi is NOT needed to gain the Gudo Dama. FACT. Hagoromo is proof.
Juubi is NOT needed to gain Six Paths Senjutsu. FACT. Naruto is proof.

There is no debate. At this point you are merely asking my useless questions.



It's the same staff with the same appearance. Unless you actually have a good reason to believe that it's different, don't try and argue. I'm not going to try and counter shit that doesn't exist. Learn how an argument works.



Lol, that guy isn't logical, and I'm not a hardcore Manga fact user. I've made plenty of arguments that don't have definite manga scans saying that they are true.

Lol, relax bro. Thats question is not by me but if someone ask you questions like that. Would you rage or scold them because they ask you a question. This is not for our arguments but what if someone ask you that question because they dont understand.

I can told them the answer, but I think you cant because not enough manga fact.

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But why there is no debate when you still cant comprehend?

If you said Juubi is not needed. Whats about Juubi jin?

If you said like that, its mean only Hagoromo can gave you Six Path chakra and Senjutsu. But thats not the case in the manga.

I think you made up your fact here.

Two way to obtained Six Path Senjutsu. Becoming a Juubi jin or Hagoromo power up.

Its understandble how JJ can obtained Six Path chakra and Senjutsu as Juubi is create by Kaguya and Shinju merging together. Here not just Hagoromo had Six Path chakra and Senjutsu but his mother also that being part of Juubi. Who can denied that Shinju also can have Six Path power as the tree is the divine tree.

Hagoromo case is different as he inherit this power logically and Naruto recieved power up from Hagoromo.

When Hagoromo already have Six Path Senjutsu and after he absorb Juubi, it wont add many new thing to him, just new Cloak maybe and extra power and if we go further he can obtained Rinn Sharingan if he want.

But for ordinary Shinobi like Obito or Madara, they obtained many thing after becoming Juubi jin.

Obito shows us the he still have some Six Path power after stole it from Rikudou Madara and when Kakashi used it, that power enhanced all Kakashi's abilities. Thats mean if someone know how to take Juubi chakra and put inside his body. They also can obtained Six Path Senjutsu without need to be Juubi jin. But there is no technique that exist to do that. Ten Tails coffin seal wont do that.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol, relax bro. Thats question is not by me but if someone ask you questions like that. Would you rage or scold them because they ask you a question. This is not for our arguments but what if someone ask you that question because they dont understand.

I can told them the answer, but I think you cant because not enough manga fact.

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But why there is no debate when you still cant comprehend?

Then why are you replying to me? Lol.

If you said Juubi is not needed. Whats about Juubi jin?

I said that Juubi isn't the reason. I said it's not needed as there are other ways. Never said that the Juubi doesn't give it. How many times do I have to repeat myself before you understand?

If you said like that, its mean only Hagoromo can gave you Six Path chakra and Senjutsu. But thats not the case in the manga.

Read my damn posts. This is getting ridiculous.

I think you made up your fact here.

Two way to obtained Six Path Senjutsu. Becoming a Juubi jin or Hagoromo power up.

Fact.

Its understandble how JJ can obtained Six Path chakra and Senjutsu as Juubi is create by Kaguya and Shinju merging together. Here not just Hagoromo had Six Path chakra and Senjutsu but his mother also that being part of Juubi. Who can denied that Shinju also can have Six Path power as the tree is the divine tree.

Ok then.

Hagoromo case is different as he inherit this power logically and Naruto recieved power up from Hagoromo.

That's exactly what I stated.

When Hagoromo already have Six Path Senjutsu and after he absorb Juubi, it wont add many new thing to him, just new Cloak maybe and extra power and if we go further he can obtained Rinn Sharingan if he want.

It gives a massive power boost. Regeneration. Chakra Arms. Bijuu Dama. Lol.

But for ordinary Shinobi like Obito or Madara, they obtained many thing after becoming Juubi jin.

True, but not relevant.

Obito shows us the he still have some Six Path power after stole it from Rikudou Madara and when Kakashi used it, that power enhanced all Kakashi's abilities. Thats mean if someone know how to take Juubi chakra and put inside his body. They also can obtained Six Path Senjutsu without need to be Juubi jin. But there is no technique that exist to do that. Ten Tails coffin seal wont do that.

No. Obito stole it. Meaning he didn't have it before. He only had that power because he stole it. But yes, if you can take the Juubi Jins chakra you can get Six Paths power w/o being the JJ, yet there is zero proof that anyone did this.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Then why are you replying to me? Lol.


I said that Juubi isn't the reason. I said it's not needed as there are other ways. Never said that the Juubi doesn't give it. How many times do I have to repeat myself before you understand?



Read my damn posts. This is getting ridiculous.



Fact.



Ok then.



That's exactly what I stated.



It gives a massive power boost. Regeneration. Chakra Arms. Bijuu Dama. Lol.


True, but not relevant.



No. Obito stole it. Meaning he didn't have it before. He only had that power because he stole it. But yes, if you can take the Juubi Jins chakra you can get Six Paths power w/o being the JJ, yet there is zero proof that anyone did this.

Its because how you word your sentence. Its sound like you said Bijuu aka Juubi is not needed.

You should said "Juubi is not the only way to obtained Six Path Senjutsu" and not " Just chakra is needed not Bijuu" like you said in your previous post.

How people want to understand if you worded your sentence like that. And then you scold me because I dont understand your post meaning.

 

[KidGamer65]

Its because how you word your sentence. Its sound like you said Bijuu aka Juubi is not needed.

You should said "Juubi is not the only way to obtained Six Path Senjutsu" and not " Just chakra is needed not Bijuu" like you said in your previous post.

How people want to understand if you worded your sentence like that. And then you scold me because I dont understand your post meaning.

Amazing.

You get Gudo Dama by being the Juubi Jin, or by having Hagoromo's chakra.

That's what I stated from the very beginning. "Just chakra is needed, not Bijuu", means that the important part is the chakra the Juubi has. The Juubi itself is NOT a requirement. That isn't hard to understand, especially when combined with all my other statements which all point towards one common conclusion.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Amazing.




That's what I stated from the very beginning. "Just chakra is needed, not Bijuu", means that the important part is the chakra the Juubi has. The Juubi itself is NOT a requirement. That isn't hard to understand, especially when combined with all my other statements which all point towards one common conclusion.

Amazing because you think that way

If you want Juubi chakra only, why not after you sealed him inside your body and then you throw it away from your body?

You cant right? because Juubi chakra is inside Juubi body same as other Jin like Kurama jin. The entity is reside inside some dimension inside your body. When you sealed it using Ten tails coffin seal, you have access to all Juubi powers.

I know you tried to said what is needed is Juubi chakra inside Juubi body as Hagoromo chakra inside Hagoromo body, thats all and thats what you think here. But you should understand, to obtain Juubi chakra thats mean you must absorb Juubi as of right now from what manga has shown us. Juubi is still needed here unless you have a technique to absorb Juubi chakra without being a Juubi jin. Maybe Sasuke have that technique.

When you said Juubi is not needed, its sound so wrong.

 

[Omar19992010]

You need RSM to Obtaining Senjutsu

Thats mean either he need to become a Juubi jin or he learn how to obtain Rikudou Senjutsu without being Juubi jin like current Hagoromo.

He must learn first. that is.

You need to be the Juubi Jin or possess all Nine Bijuu's Chakra coupled in with Hagoromo's own chakra to possess TSB. Hagoromo had Six Paths Sage Mode due to him inheriting his Chakra from his Mom who was the Juubi herself.

 

[Ansatsuken]

You need to be the Juubi Jin or possess all Nine Bijuu's Chakra coupled in with Hagoromo's own chakra to possess TSB. Hagoromo had Six Paths Sage Mode due to him inheriting his Chakra from his Mom who was the Juubi herself.

Its already clear when I aŕgue with KidGamer and also I gave him my theory that he think to complex to accepted.

By the way, I agree with you

 

[KidGamer65]

Amazing because you think that way

If you want Juubi chakra only, why not after you sealed him inside your body and then you throw it away from your body?

Lol....what in the hell are you talking about? The Juubi's chakra can't be handled without a vessel. That's why people can't take it in. We've already seen Sasuke use the 9 Bijuu's Chakra w/o using it's body. Nor does this prove anything you are saying correct.

You cant right? because Juubi chakra is inside Juubi body same as other Jin like Kurama jin. The entity is reside inside some dimension inside your body. When you sealed it using Ten tails coffin seal, you have access to all Juubi powers.

Ok, not relevant though.

I know you tried to said what is needed is Juubi chakra inside Juubi body as Hagoromo chakra inside Hagoromo body, thats all and thats what you think here. But you should understand, to obtain Juubi chakra thats mean you must absorb Juubi as of right now from what manga has shown us. Juubi is still needed here unless you have a technique to absorb Juubi chakra without being a Juubi jin. Maybe Sasuke have that technique.

When you said Juubi is not needed, its sound so wrong.

Never said it as a whole wasn't needed. I only said that the chakra was the important part. If you can get the same power Juubi has elsewhere, then you don't need the Juubi. Not hard to understand. Don't try and shift the fault on me because you couldn't properly understand my post despite me making my claim crystal clear.

Its already clear when I aŕgue with KidGamer and also I gave him my theory that he think to complex to accepted.

By the way, I agree with you

Wow. You really are daft aren't you? I don't accept your theory because there is no proof. It's dumb. Not complex.

You need to be the Juubi Jin or possess all Nine Bijuu's Chakra coupled in with Hagoromo's own chakra to possess TSB. Hagoromo had Six Paths Sage Mode due to him inheriting his Chakra from his Mom who was the Juubi herself.

And this is false no matter how many people decide to invent their own manga facts and reiterate them as if they were correct. Lol.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Lol....what in the hell are you talking about? The Juubi's chakra can't be handled without a vessel. That's why people can't take it in. We've already seen Sasuke use the 9 Bijuu's Chakra w/o using it's body. Nor does this prove anything you are saying correct.



Ok, not relevant though.


Never said it as a whole wasn't needed. I only said that the chakra was the important part. If you can get the same power Juubi has elsewhere, then you don't need the Juubi. Not hard to understand. Don't try and shift the fault on me because you couldn't properly understand my post despite me making my claim crystal clear.



Wow. You really are daft aren't you? I don't accept your theory because there is no proof. It's dumb. Not complex.



And this is false no matter how many people decide to invent their own manga facts and reiterate them as if they were correct. Lol.

Why you quote my replied to Omar. Just left my replied to Omar alone because its not intended to you. I agree with his post mean nothing. I'm just not being serious there. Quote Omar not me if you want to fixed/pointing at wrong statement in that post. What, you cant let me go Mr. Always right everytime?Lol

And just stop to put your statement always right everytime. Sasuke still need a vessel to put all that Bijuus chakra, but that still not equal to Juubi, its because if you need to create Juubi and his chakra, you still need Gedo Mazo. You cant replaced it with Susanoo or anything. Its because Gedo Mazo have something special to combined all that chakra and form a Juubi.

Nothing can replaced Gedo Mazo as Juubi vessel that process Bijuus chakra and transformed it into Juubi chakra. Unless you have manga fact that tell us Juubi chakra can be form by other than Gedo Mazo.

Thats mean if you want permanent Juubi chakra inside your body, you still need Juubi(Gedo Mazo true form). Or else what you got was a half bake power like Obito. He has Six Path power after he stole it from Rikudou Madara but that only a little. Still he can maintained it for long period of time and even can be used by Kakashi to enhanced his techniques and attack Kaguya. But thats beside the point.

Its not just about his chakra alone when it comes to Juubi but Gedo also.

Hagoromo released Juubi chakra first to create Bijuus and then he released Gedo Mazo from his body.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why you quote my replied to Omar. Just left my replied to Omar alone because its not intended to you. I agree with his post mean nothing. I'm just not being serious there. Quote Omar not me if you want to fixed/pointing at wrong statement in that post. What, you cant let me go Mr. Always right everytime?Lol

Because you are referring to me, and saying I don't agree for reasons I never stated. Lol. If you don't want me to comment, don't refer to me. It's really not that hard. Not to mention I did quote Omar's post. Read before you reply so you don't look a fool.

The only reason this discussion is ongoing is because you keep replying to me with irrelevant bullshit when you've already been proven wrong.

And just stop to put your statement always right everytime. Sasuke still need a vessel to put all that Bijuus chakra, but that still not equal to Juubi, its because if you need to create Juubi and his chakra, you still need Gedo Mazo. You cant replaced it with Susanoo or anything. Its because Gedo Mazo have something special to combined all that chakra and form a Juubi.

Never said it was.

Nothing can replaced Gedo Mazo as Juubi vessel that process Bijuus chakra and transformed it into Juubi chakra. Unless you have manga fact that tell us Juubi chakra can be form by other than Gedo Mazo.

Never said there was.

Thats mean if you want permanent Juubi chakra inside your body, you still need Juubi(Gedo Mazo true form). Or else what you got was a half bake power like Obito. He has Six Path power after he stole it from Rikudou Madara but that only a little. Still he can maintained it for long period of time and even can be used by Kakashi to enhanced his techniques and attack Kaguya. But thats beside the point.

Irrelevant. Obito is proof that you can get the power w/o the Juubi. Hagoromo is proof that you can get the power without the Juubi. Why in the hell are you still arguing when I've already proven your nonsense points wrong? Lol. This is only continuing cause you are attempting to argue something I never said, which you only think I said because of your inability to read.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Because you are referring to me, and saying I don't agree for reasons I never stated. Lol. If you don't want me to comment, don't refer to me. It's really not that hard. Not to mention I did quote Omar's post. Read before you reply so you don't look a fool.

The only reason this discussion is ongoing is because you keep replying to me with irrelevant bullshit when you've already been proven wrong.



Never said it was.



Never said there was.



Irrelevant. Obito is proof that you can get the power w/o the Juubi. Hagoromo is proof that you can get the power without the Juubi. Why in the hell are you still arguing when I've already proven your nonsense points wrong? Lol. This is only continuing cause you are attempting to argue something I never said, which you only think I said because of your inability to read.

If you agree on Obito case that he can take juubi chakra from Juubi jin. Thats mean its not to far fetched to say JJ Hagoromo can take some Juubi chakra from Juubi before he released it when Obito doesnt need any vessel to maintained Six Path Senjutsu for long period of time even though that chakra was just a little.

OK, if chakra inheritance is the true manga fact but if that not true, my theory still can be acceptable. What so hard to understand. You want logical explanation and I gave you. Unless I made up my exlanation without something to connect or something to be an evidence.

Actually we still not get any direct manga fact or DB that explaining Hagoromo history, what happen at the time he became JJ, What form of chakra he inherited from Kaguya, what he learned and studies, how he shaped the world, how he create Ninshuu, how he developed his chakra etc. His fact is to few in manga same as Kaguya and Hamura is even worse.

You couldnt agree with my theory is OK, but saying my theory is non sense with all that connection is to far.

 

[KidGamer65]

If you agree on Obito case that he can take juubi chakra from Juubi jin. Thats mean its not to far fetched to say JJ Hagoromo can take some Juubi chakra from Juubi before he released it when Obito doesnt need any vessel to maintained Six Path Senjutsu for long period of time even though that chakra was just a little.

Never said he can't. Wow. This is getting pretty damn pathetic. I said THAT THERE IS NO PROOF THAT HE DID.

How many times will I have to repeat myself?

OK, if chakra inheritance is the true manga fact but if that not true, my theory still can be acceptable. What so hard to understand. You want logical explanation and I gave you. Unless I made up my exlanation without something to connect or something to be an evidence.

Your theory has ZERO PROOF THAT IT ACTUALLY OCCURRED IN THE MANGA SO IT IS NOT A GOOD THEORY. Not to mention it is the manga fact so that's the end of your theory, I don't care for your nonsense explanations. I only care for explanations backed by the manga.

Actually we still not get any direct manga fact or DB that explaining Hagoromo history, what happen at the time he became JJ, What form of chakra he inherited from Kaguya, what he learned and studies, how he shaped the world, how he create Ninshuu, how he developed his chakra etc. His fact is to few in manga same as Kaguya and Hamura is even worse.

THEN YOUR THEORY HAS NO PROOF.

You couldnt agree with my theory is OK, but saying my theory is non sense with all that connection is to far.

It's nonsense.

1. It contradicts Manga.
2. There is zero proof. Making a convenient explanation doesn't make your convenient explanation true.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Never said he can't. Wow. This is getting pretty damn pathetic. I said THAT THERE IS NO PROOF THAT HE DID.

How many times will I have to repeat myself?



Your theory has ZERO PROOF THAT IT ACTUALLY OCCURRED IN THE MANGA SO IT IS NOT A GOOD THEORY. Not to mention it is the manga fact so that's the end of your theory, I don't care for your nonsense explanations. I only care for explanations backed by the manga.


THEN YOUR THEORY HAS NO PROOF.




It's nonsense.

1. It contradicts Manga.
2. There is zero proof. Making a convenient explanation doesn't make your convenient explanation true.

Care to give me some info/explanation that tells us not just me on how Hagoromo and Hamura really got all that from inheritance. Vague explanation cant be acceptable here.

My theories sure not having any manga infos because its just a theory but what about your so called proof by manga fact.

Post here all infos from manga or DB that support your proof and your believe on this is the truth but thats not the truth or making any sense.

You keep saying my theory not make any sense but you never shows me the truth. You never shows me complete manga fact about the inheritence.

You only shows me BZ statement that said Both Hagoromo and Hamura shared Kaguya power thats all. But we not getting any info from BZ about what kind of power they inherited from Kaguya. What we knew and logically acceptable is they both inherited Kaguya Six Path power. But what about Six Path Senjutsu? can you show me the statement from Hago or DB fact on Hagoromo and Hamura Six Path Senjutsu, how they obtained that power?

Now its your turn

Here Im just asking you to show me manga fact or DB statement about Hagoromo and Hamura Senjutsu, and how they obtained it. Its simple. Dont come here and repeated your zero non sense like there is no proof or this theory is irrelevent and any foolish word you always said in your post.

If you fail to do what I want. I consider you as out of points for your further argument. And I will stop replying at you because you have no points to present.

Its pity how someone think that he has complete/good proof to said this is what actually happen in manga when manga gave us many plot holes and half bake or vague explanations. For my part it just a theory and Im not saying its true 100%. The idea is there.

 

[KidGamer65]

Care to give me some info/explanation that tells us not just me on how Hagoromo and Hamura really got all that from inheritance. Vague explanation cant be acceptable here.

Lol, are you stupid? I'm trying not to insult you, but you are making it way too easy.

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PROOF That Kaguya's chakra was shared among her sons. They had the power of the Gudo Dama even before the Juubi, and Hagoromo has already shown that he can use the Gudo Dama and float without the Juubi. So all their power came from Kaguya, as the manga clearly states.

My theories sure not having any manga infos because its just a theory but what about your so called proof by manga fact.

Then don't bring your dumbass theory to this discussion and get butthurt when I write it off as baseless speculation.

Post here all infos from manga or DB that support your proof and your believe on this is the truth but thats not the truth or making any sense.

Already posted.

You keep saying my theory not make any sense but you never shows me the truth. You never shows me complete manga fact about the inheritence.

Already posted.

You only shows me BZ statement that said Both Hagoromo and Hamura shared Kaguya power thats all. But we not getting any info from BZ about what kind of power they inherited from Kaguya. What we knew and logically acceptable is they both inherited Kaguya Six Path power. But what about Six Path Senjutsu? can you show me the statement from Hago or DB fact on Hagoromo and Hamura Six Path Senjutsu, how they obtained that power?

Lol, this is why I don't argue with illiterate retards.

1. Six Paths Chakra can grant Six Paths Senjutsu, as seen when Naruto got Hagoromo's chakra.

2. If you have Gudo Dama, you have the Senjutsu.

3. Hagoromo and Hamura had the Gudo Dama. Shown in the DB page I posted, and shown in the Manga when they fought Kaguya. Shown by the fact that Hagoromo can levitate without the Juubi.

4. Thus they got their power from Kaguya. Not the Juubi.

Let's also throw in the fact that Hamura never made any contact with the Juubi, yet he can still use the Gudo Dama. Let's also throw in the fact that Kaguya can fly and use the Gudo Dama. Use your tiny pea sized brain, if you can, and you'll come to the conclusion that their power came from Kaguya, not the Juubi. The only retort I've seen from you is your half assed, shitty, retarded, jacked up theory. You disguising a baseless assumption as a theory doesn't make it true or plausible.

Here Im just asking you to show me manga fact or DB statement about Hagoromo and Hamura Senjutsu, and how they obtained it. Its simple. Dont come here and repeated your zero non sense like there is no proof or this theory is irrelevent and any foolish word you always said in your post.

If you fail to do what I want. I consider you as out of points for your further argument. And I will stop replying at you because you have no points to present.

Its pity how someone think that he has complete/good proof to said this is what actually happen in manga when manga gave us many plot holes and half bake or vague explanations. For my part it just a theory and Im not saying its true 100%. The idea is there.

The rest is irrelevant. Take your half assed theory and go shove it up your ass. When you are done denying manga fact reply. Lol, dumbass kid.