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The whole Gududama thing doesn't make any sense.

1. If Hagoromo and Hamura possessed them without being Juubi's Jinchuuriki; how come Hagoromo, before becoming Jinchuuriki, did not have the 9 tomoe and Rinnegan symbol on his back? [ ] He was only shown to have it after becoming a Jinchuuriki. The thing is, he was never shown to have them before becoming Jinchuuriki.

2. Why would Madara gain identical cloak to Kaguya's from absorbing the Shinju (which is the Juubi), despite Obito was the one who summoned the Shinju directly from his body? [ ] Keep it in mind, that Minato did sense Madara had more power as Jinchuuriki than Obito did.

3. If Gududama's manifestation is only possessing the Six Paths Senjutsu; how come Madara did not have it after absorbing Hashirama's Senjutsu and getting his Rinnegan back? The Six Paths Senjutsu is basically the Chakra of the Six Paths and Senjutsu mixed with it. Madara possessed both Senjutsu (from Hashirama which isn't an animal-based) and Six Paths Chakra (from the Rinnegan). So technically, he should have been able to manifest them.

The whole Ōtsutsuki story and powers completely contradicted everything. Questions like this cannot be answered when the information is misinformed.
 
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The whole Gududama thing doesn't make any sense.

1. If Hagoromo and Hamura possessed them without being Juubi's Jinchuuriki; how come Hagoromo, before becoming Jinchuuriki, did not have the 9 tomoe and Rinnegan symbol on his back? [ ] He was only shown to have it after becoming a Jinchuuriki. The thing is, he was never shown to have them before becoming Jinchuuriki.

2. Why would Madara gain identical cloak to Kaguya's from absorbing the Shinju (which is the Juubi), despite Obito was the one who summoned the Shinju directly from his body? [ ] Keep it in mind, that Minato did sense Madara had more power as Jinchuuriki than Obito did.

3. If Gududama's manifestation is only possessing the Six Paths Senjutsu; how come Madara did not have it after absorbing Hashirama's Senjutsu and getting his Rinnegan back? The Six Paths Senjutsu is basically the Chakra of the Six Paths and Senjutsu mixed with it. Madara possessed both Senjutsu (from Hashirama which isn't an animal-based) and Six Paths Chakra (from the Rinnegan). So technically, he should have been able to manifest them.

The whole Ōtsutsuki story and powers completely contradicted everything. Questions like this cannot be answered when the information is misinformed.


I agree with the bold part.
 

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No, the Rinnegan grants access to all 5 elements and Yin/Yang, but not the ability to combine them to create other KKG (unless one possesses the power of the Shinju).

The TSBs are an aspect of the Six Paths Sage Mode. Sasuke recieved the Rinnegan from Hagoromo, and Naruto got the mode. Though, I will agree there are too many inconsistencies with the Otsutsuki timeline.
 

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He needs RSM because he doesn't have all element KKG like Naruto. TSB are made of every element including lava, ice, etc.

He can make chakra rods though, and he has his own version of TBB in Asura Path
 

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He needs RSM because he doesn't have all element KKG like Naruto. TSB are made of every element including lava, ice, etc.

He can make chakra rods though, and he has his own version of TBB in Asura Path
The manga and I think databook showed us it's all 5 basic elements plus yin-yang. I think Naruto is the only exception with him using the Bijuu's kkg instead.
 

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No, the Rinnegan grants access to all 5 elements and Yin/Yang, but not the ability to combine them to create other KKG (unless one possesses the power of the Shinju).

The TSBs are an aspect of the Six Paths Sage Mode. Sasuke recieved the Rinnegan from Hagoromo, and Naruto got the mode. Though, I will agree there are too many inconsistencies with the Otsutsuki timeline.

Where does it say RSM is needed all I saw is all 5 basic nature elements and yin yang.
 

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Where does it say RSM is needed all I saw is all 5 basic nature elements and yin yang.

The TSB contained 5 basic elements and Yin-Yang. Thats what DB stated

DB never stated that you only need to master 5 basic elements and Yin-Yang to obtaining TSB. Thats mean to create TSB you must have all elements plus senjutsu chakra.

Its a combination of Six Path chakra(Yin-Yang and 5 basic elements) and Senjutsu chakra

Because that its called as Six Path Senjutsu chakra.

Can you get it now.
 

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Not entirely sure. Only those with six paths senjutsu made the orbs, but the components didn't say or imply needing six paths senjutsu. It's pretty vague imo
 

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Where does it say RSM is needed all I saw is all 5 basic nature elements and yin yang.
Only people with the Sixs Paths Senjutsu have been able to create said orbs, so it is a requirement. Six Paths Sage Mode was awakened from mixing Hagoromo's Yang chakra with Naruto's own Senjutsu, and the 6T Rinnegan was awakened from mixing Hagoromo's Yin chakra with Sasuke's own EMs.

And as I stated before, even if you have the constituent elements of a KKG, it doesn't mean you can use it. Kakashi can use Suiton and Raiton, but can't use Storm release. The same applies to Sasuke.
 

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Thats is not a fan fic.

Just because you doesnt have direct and clear manga fact or data book, you called it fan fic

-Not in the Manga.
-Not supported by anything in the Manga.

Lol


But first where it stated/shown that young Hagoromo and Hamura has TSB when they fought Juubi? And from who they acquired that power in the first places?

Already posted a scan of Hamura using Gudo Dama, and it's already shown that they had their staffs.

If you said from Rinnegan, why Madara doesnt have TSB? Madara before he becamee JJ already have Hagoromo chakra that contain Six Path power(Rikudou) inside his body but not body power.

Never said that.

You said by having Hago chakra only and where is Madara TSB even just one.

Irrelevant where his is. Him having the chakra doesn't mean he can use it. All that is fact is that the chakra is all you need to somehow get it. Bijuu have nothing to do with it.

Kaguya pass down her Six Path power to Hago and Hamura that she gained by eating Chakra fruit possibly/theoritically. But do you support this idea?

That's a fact, so yes.

If not, how young Hago and Hamura obtàined Rikudou(six path) power if Kaguya not the source? from who? I want to see your answer about this.
They got it from Kaguya.

And if you support my Idea, thats mean its not because of Hagoromo chakra that someone able obtained Six Path Senjutsu and TSB. Its Kaguya or Juubi.

Wrong.

-Toneri has the Gudo Dama.
-Obito formed a Gudo Dama w/o the Juubi.
-Naruto doesn't have the Juubi.

Kaguya is irrelevant as Kaguya on her own is not the Juubi. The Kaguya that gave birth to Hagoromo and Hamura is only Kaguya. She became the Juubi when she merged with the Shinju. The chakra fruit power is her power which was passed down to Hagoromo and Hamura. Bijuu have nothing to do with it, nor does the Juubi as the Juubi isn't the Shinju, it's fruit, or Kaguya alone.

You brought here Obito and Naruto cases. But you forgot/failed to looks around you. Non jin Obito able to manifest TSB stuff was because he stole Rikudou Madara chakra that have Rikudou Senjutsu and Rinnegan.

Once again proving that the chakra is the key, not the Bijuu.

You brought here Naruto, but you forgot to take into consideration from who he got that RSM power. Its from Hagoromo himself.
Proving that you don't need the Juubi. Not sure what's so hard to understand.

Obito sure can temporarily create that TSB Shakujou because he connected and stole Rikudou Sage chakra from Rikudou Madara body and Naruto got power up from Six Path Senjutsu user directly. Hagoromo can do anything to him even giving non JJ Rikudou Senjutsu to Naruto. He is Hagoromo dude.

Once again proving that it's the chakra. Not the Juubi.


Last but not least, how Hinata that recieved Hamura chakra in the last doesnt have Shakujou or TSB.

Getting the chakra doesn't mean that you can actually use them. The chakra is the requirements to get them though. Same reason why everyone with Hagoromo's chakra doesn't awaken Rinnegan.

Please drop the fanfic. Your explanation doesn't even make any sense.
 

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Read below.

Yes,you are right,Naruto did have and use chakra from all the Bijuu.

The Sage said Naruto had chakra from all the Bijuu twice.






Months ago i would always post these pages when peoole would say Naruto didn't.
Well these people were obviously tards, or just being ignorant. Shouldn't have wasted your time.
Then after alittle while,it became well known that the Sage said Naruto had the Bijuus chakra,so what was Naruto fans counter?

Naruto had it,but he didn't use it cause he didn't have access to it.
Well he obviously did have access to them as he drew upon each bijuus power during Kaguya fight.

Who were these people? Lol.

LOL Naruto ran out of chakra multiple times in the battle,so Naruto ran out of chakra,yet didn't use a portion of it? How does that make sense?
Which battle? VOTE2? No, him and Sasuke were only out of chakra at the end Lol. We know that using

Even after

Sasuke was out of chakra for his ninjutsu that's why chidori failed, Naruto ran out of chakra for Rasengan after PNJ Lord Solo rock made him trip & waste Rasengan, which is why they resorted to taijutsu for hours before eventually Kurama made enough chakra which both Naruto and Sasuke used at the end.

While i was on break from this site i figured that Naruto's new mode is made from the Sage's chakra + the Bijuus since Naruto got that made right when he got the Sage's chakra,and was able to use the Bijuus.

In The Last he is back to using Bijuu Mode,why? Because he used all the Bijuus chakra up against Sasuke in their battle.What sense does it make for Naruto to not have been using his strongest mode against Toneri while the world was at stake? He didn't use it cause he couldn't,cause he didn't have all the other Bijuus chakra.

Fan fiction.

He didn't use RSM against Toneri because.
1. He was fodder.
2. The movie was pretty much finished by the time Naruto & Sauce got the sage power ups.

Also here's a Viz scan of what Sasuke said to Naruto.

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This was after Naruto used multiple Bijuudama,Shadow clones,and Kyuubi avatars.Remember,the Sharingan,and Rinnegan can see chakra.Sasuke himself pointed how Naruto had chakra from the Bijuu.

Sasuke said that because he knew the amount of bijuu chakra Naruto had compared to him was inferior. Naruto used a lot of it during the kaguya fight :|
Sasuke figured he had the fight in the bag since he had more chakras from the bijuu's that's all there was too it.

Only people with the Sixs Paths Senjutsu have been able to create said orbs, so it is a requirement. Six Paths Sage Mode was awakened from mixing Hagoromo's Yang chakra with Naruto's own Senjutsu, and the 6T Rinnegan was awakened from mixing Hagoromo's Yin chakra with Sasuke's own EMS

I like your concept Lol. But I disagree with the bold. Naruto Has shown he's never had to collect Natural Energy to enter RSM, like he had too when using normal sage mode or BSM. The senjutsu either comes from Hagoromo/ the bijuu (pseudo juubi jin) being juubi grants senjutsu of the six paths.

Still makes no sense how Tenseigan grants TSB though :|
 
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This thread Lol
 

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-Not in the Manga.
-Not supported by anything in the Manga.

Lol




Already posted a scan of Hamura using Gudo Dama, and it's already shown that they had their staffs.



Never said that.



Irrelevant where his is. Him having the chakra doesn't mean he can use it. All that is fact is that the chakra is all you need to somehow get it. Bijuu have nothing to do with it.



That's a fact, so yes.


They got it from Kaguya.



Wrong.

-Toneri has the Gudo Dama.
-Obito formed a Gudo Dama w/o the Juubi.
-Naruto doesn't have the Juubi.

Kaguya is irrelevant as Kaguya on her own is not the Juubi. The Kaguya that gave birth to Hagoromo and Hamura is only Kaguya. She became the Juubi when she merged with the Shinju. The chakra fruit power is her power which was passed down to Hagoromo and Hamura. Bijuu have nothing to do with it, nor does the Juubi as the Juubi isn't the Shinju, it's fruit, or Kaguya alone.



Once again proving that the chakra is the key, not the Bijuu.


Proving that you don't need the Juubi. Not sure what's so hard to understand.



Once again proving that it's the chakra. Not the Juubi.




Getting the chakra doesn't mean that you can actually use them. The chakra is the requirements to get them though. Same reason why everyone with Hagoromo's chakra doesn't awaken Rinnegan.

Please drop the fanfic. Your explanation doesn't even make any sense.

Six Path chakra=Rikudou chakra(other name)

Its because you couldnt get the points. Thats your problem here I saw in NB. You failed to understand the point.

I never stated Bijuu, I stated Juubi(Shinju+Kaguya). Why so hard to understand Kid Gamer. I think you have a thinking problem and what you can said only irrelevant or fanfic or I dont know what you tried to tell. What the hell?

I said Juubi all the times here, that was the other members that constantly mentioned about Bijuus chakra here not me.

Juubi gave them Six Path chakra not because they need Juubi's body but they need Juubi's Six Path chakra that contained Six Path Senjutsu chakra for TSB, Flight, Stuff etc.

As Juubi is product of Shinju and Kaguya and chakra fruit is produce by Shinju, thats mean inside Juubi body have Six Path chakra and Senjutsu. Can you get it

Who produced Chakra fruit for Kaguya? Its Shinju. Shinju put all essence of the planet plus chakra inside this fruit.

Thats mean its Shinju that gave the person Six Path chakra and Senjutsu. Juubi that created from Kaguya and Shinju combination also contained Six Path power and Senjutsu. Not Kaguya. Kaguya before she ate the fruit was just a normal being.

You think I'm to stupid to understand this manga and cant create/make a connection from all facts provided by Manga, DB, Wiki and so on.

Obito, Toneri and Naruto cases

1. Obito

-Sure Obito not a Juubi jin anymore. But he stole some Rikudou Senjutsu power from Madara thats enough to gave him ability to manifested TSB stuff but temporarily. It same as Hagoromo, He doesnt have juubi inside his body anymore, but because he got Six Path chakra form birth , this power became his normal power and that's why he can maintained TSB and Senjutsu even though he is not Juubi jin anymore.

2. Naruto

-In Naruto cases, the same principal as Obito and Hagoromo applied here.

3. Toneri

-For Toneri, I still dont want to touch about that. I need to do some research first. But still Tenseigan alter or energy vessel has Six Path chakra inside it. It because the base of the eyes is Hamura's Byakugan eyes.

The Tenseigan, also known as the Energy Vessel (エネルギー体, Enerugī-tai), is a sacred treasure of the Ōtsutsuki clan, it had been used for millennia to seal the clan's Byakugan to combine their power into the dōjutsu: the Tenseigan. It is an altar used to collect and amplify natural energy, with the clan using it as an energy source to power everything on the moon, including the countless autonomous puppets that served them. As such, it has the power to create massive blasts of chakra that can wipe out entire armies in a similar manner to the Tailed Beast Ball. It is said that the vessel can only be touched by those with the "undiluted chakra of Hamura," or the Ōtsutsuki and Hyūga clans, both of which are Hamura's descendants.

It's unknown whether the vessel was also brought by the Ōtsutsuki from their home realm to Earth in the past. The Tenseigan consisted of two separated parts, its case and the main content. The case is spherical-shaped structure made from gold with an eight-pointed star-like symbol carved, which currently chained and mounted inside the Hamura's shrine. In the past, its somehow placed and mounted in a wheeled tower structure with an emblem carved in the front of the tower, it was used in the war between the Ōtsutsuki's main and branch families. The main content is a sun-like orb eye-like structure with double-layered yellow hexagon-shaped pupil (one fixed and one another rotated counter-clockwise) surrounded by an orange-yellow flower-like iris, which currently stored inside the core of the artificial sun and protected with some huge pieces of metal bars and guarded by a large number of puppets. According to Hinata Hyūga, an unknown ancient curse technique also placed on the main content, making it untouchable except by those with the "undiluted chakra of Hamura". The main content controls the movement of the moon and is referred to as real Tenseigan, this vessel holds countless Byakugan along with one of Hamura's Tenseigan in its core.

The vessel was later destroyed by Naruto and Hinata via their combined effort. When the vessel was damaged, it began to flicker, and ultimately exploded, disintegrating into countless Byakugan. When it completely broke, the artificial sun inside the moon disintegrated and all living things inside it ceased to exist, however, the moon would only stop to move temporarily.

But all that Six Path power still come from the main source that is Shinju. Shinju that produced Fruit and Shinju that create Juubi with Kaguya.

I tell you again, how Naruto and Obito can maintained Six path power is if they acquired the portion of Six Path chakra from Six Path User(Juubi Jin or Hagoromo) or if Hagoromo gave you power up by using his power.

Its can be that Hagoromo gave the portion of His Six Path chakra to Hamura as a gift possibly(if using my theory that Hagormo got Six Path power after becoming Juubi jin and not before)

Thats mean when I said juubi is the source of Six Path chakra and Senjutsu is valid.

Only way you not needed Juubi to gained Six Path chakra and Six Path Senjutsu is if you're Kaguya's sons.

Another point is

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Above picture shows you that even after giving Naruto a power up, Non Juubi Hagoromo still can maintained his Six Path power and Senjutsu. TSB and TSB stuff still there around him. Thats mean His power not go away. Same as Naruto or Hamura, if someone steal their Six Path power, they still can maintained their Six path power after that.

Rikudou Madara with Obito situation also shows you the same thing.

Six Path power already assimilated inside their body and became their normal power even though they are not JJ.

And its telling you that the theory of Hagoromo gave Hamura the portion of his Six path power after becoming Juubi jin can be valid and possible. But we can agree only if you support the theory of Hagoromo got Six Path power after becoming Juubi jin.

For that Japanese text book that shows Hamura with TSB and Stuff, you must translated it and tell me from where he got that Six Path power.

You only need to connect them and you can get the big picture. Unless you are open minded and not to hard headed.

I dont want to load you with other thing to think. But this is enough for now.
 
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Six Path chakra=Rikudou chakra(other name)

Its because you couldnt get the points. Thats your problem here I saw in NB. You failed to understand the point.

No

I never stated Bijuu, I stated Juubi(Shinju+Kaguya). Why so hard to understand Kid Gamer. I think you have a thinking problem and what you can said only irrelevant or fanfic or I dont know what you tried to tell. What the hell?

When I said Bijuu I mean the Juubi. Nothing in my post changes because of that. Lol. Please address the claims. I'm not here to listen to all your annoying ass complaints.

Juubi gave them Six Path chakra not because they need Juubi's body but they need Juubi's Six Path chakra that contained Six Path Senjutsu chakra for TSB, Flight, Stuff etc.

No, they need Six Paths Senjutsu to fly and get the Gudo Dama. Becoming the Juubi Jin is not the only way. I don't know how hard it is for you to understand this? Do I have to learn multiple languages and explain this to you since it seems English isn't working? Lmao.

As Juubi is product of Shinju and Kaguya and chakra fruit is produce by Shinju, thats mean inside Juubi body have Six Path chakra and Senjutsu. Can you get it
Obviously.


Who produced Chakra fruit for Kaguya? Its Shinju. Shinju put all essence of the planet plus chakra inside this fruit.

Obviously.

Thats mean its Shinju that gave the person Six Path chakra and Senjutsu. Juubi that created from Kaguya and Shinju combination also contained Six Path power and Senjutsu. Not Kaguya. Kaguya before she ate the fruit was just a normal being.

Which in the end, proves that you don't need to become the Juubi's Jinchuuriki to get Rikudo's Power. Your arguments goes back to the fruit, and everything came from the fruit, so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

-Kaguya got the chakra fruit, and passed that power on to her sons. Juubi is not involved here as the Juubi does not exist.

Juubi gives Six Paths power because it is the fusion of the Shinju and Kaguya. Kaguya, who ate the fruit, already passed that power onto Hagoromo and Hamura, thus they do NOT need to get the Juubi to get the power.

You think I'm to stupid to understand this manga and cant create/make a connection from all facts provided by Manga, DB, Wiki and so on.

Lol, I think that you are trying your hardest to create something that isn't there, and then attempt to mask it by saying you are "connecting the dots". Lol

Obito, Toneri and Naruto cases

1. Obito

-Sure Obito not a Juubi jin anymore. But he stole some Rikudou Senjutsu power from Madara thats enough to gave him ability to manifested TSB stuff but temporarily. It same as Hagoromo, He doesnt have juubi inside his body anymore, but because he got Six Path chakra form birth , this power became his normal power and that's why he can maintained TSB and Senjutsu even though he is not Juubi jin anymore.
Obviously. This is what I just said. That proves that the Juubi has nothing to do with things. Only the chakra the Juubi gives. The Juubi is just another way to get that chakra. Same goes for Hagoromo, who had the power to do all that from birth. Lol. Thanks for obliterating your own point. Do you even know what you are arguing for anymore?

2. Naruto

-In Naruto cases, the same principal as Obito and Hagoromo applied here.

Yes. He got Six Paths Sage Mode by getting Hagoromo's chakra, thus the Juubi isn't needed. That simple. Shinju being the origin of this, and everything, doesn't change the fact that you don't need to become the Juubi's Jin to do this shit.

3. Toneri

-For Toneri, I still dont want to touch about that. I need to do some research first. But still Tenseigan alter or energy vessel has Six Path chakra inside it. It because the base of the eyes is Hamura's Byakugan eyes.

Tenseigan and Toneri's Tenseigan abilities are not connected. He doesn't draw power off of the energy vessel. Hyuga+Ootsutsuki=Hamura's power, and Hamura's power is just another variant of the Six Paths Power as he is Hagoromo's brother and Kaguya's son. That's why Toneri can manifest the Gudo Dama.

But all that Six Path power still come from the main source that is Shinju. Shinju that produced Fruit and Shinju that create Juubi with Kaguya.

Does that change the fact that there are two methods for obtaining this power? No. Lol.

I tell you again, how Naruto and Obito can maintained Six path power is if they acquired the portion of Six Path chakra from Six Path User(Juubi Jin or Hagoromo) or if Hagoromo gave you power up by using his power.

So now you are saying that Hagoromo's power gives Rikudo Chakra despite going on about this "Juubi is necessary" nonsense? Lol. Not even sure if serious with the wishy washy argument.

Its can be that Hagoromo gave the portion of His Six Path chakra to Hamura as a gift possibly(if using my theory that Hagormo got Six Path power after becoming Juubi jin and not before)

Not interested in your theories.


Only way you not needed Juubi to gained Six Path chakra and Six Path Senjutsu is if you're Kaguya's sons.

No. What you are saying here conflicts with everything you've said above.

-Naruto got it from Hagoromo. Thus it's another way. Stop trying to foolishly discard this as a method because he's Kaguya's son. That makes no sense. Is this not a method? Lmao. It is, so end of story.

-Madara got it from the Juubi, but even before that he merged Indra and Ashura's chakras and got Hagoromo's Chakra, but he didn't get the Senjutsu, so that's besides the main point.

Another point is

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Above picture shows you that even after giving Naruto a power up, Non Juubi Hagoromo still can maintained his Six Path power and Senjutsu. TSB and TSB stuff still there around him. Thats mean His power not go away. Same as Naruto or Hamura, if someone steal their Six Path power, they still can maintained their Six path power after that.

His power is because he was born with that power. His power didn't go away because it was inherited. That simple. How does this change the fact that you can get the power from Hagoromo or the Juubi?

Oh wait, it doesn't.


And its telling you that the theory of Hagoromo gave Hamura the portion of his Six path power after becoming Juubi jin can be valid and possible. But we can agree only if you support the theory of Hagoromo got Six Path power after becoming Juubi jin.

1. A theory can be valid when there is evidence supporting it.

2. Hagoromo having the power after becoming the Jin is not supported by fact. There's a panel of Kaguya reminiscing, and Hagoromo has his Gudo Dama. There's a panel of them with the Gudo Dama staffs. Lol. Quit trying.

3. Zero proof or evidence that Hagoromo gave Hamura any power.

For that Japanese text book that shows Hamura with TSB and Stuff, you must translated it and tell me from where he got that Six Path power.

It's been translated, and it doesn't say. Not gonna go digging through the internet for proof against a baseless theory. Lol.

You only need to connect them and you can get the big picture. Unless you are open minded and not to hard headed.

I dont want to load you with other thing to think. But this is enough for now.

There's nothing to connect. You don't make sense. It's as simple as that.
 

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This thread Lol

Asking a simple question. The manga and databook supports it TSB = all 5 elements yin and yin and possibly sage chakra all which Sasuke have. Naruto's TSB = all Bijuu's kkg yin and yang. RSM just gave it to him naturally
 

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Asking a simple question. The manga and databook supports it TSB = all 5 elements yin and yin and possibly sage chakra all which Sasuke have. Naruto's TSB = all Bijuu's kkg yin and yang. RSM just gave it to him naturally
Wasn't it answered though?
 

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Wasn't it answered though?

Not really the databook and the manga shows he can he have the needed elements/properties for it and have sage chakra just don't see how he can't
 

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Not really the databook and the manga shows he can he have the needed elements/properties for it and have sage chakra just don't see how he can't
That's what you need to maintain it, but to activate it you need Hagoromo's Senjutsu. Which is why all the JJ jin's have it
 

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We agree on many thing here but you still failed to get my point. I think its you the only one that doesnt understand english even though you're from USA.

What is the difference between my explanation of Six Path chakra and Juubi. I think its valid explanation.

you just tried to twisting the info here and Yes Six Path power other name is Rikudou power. Because that we called Hagoromo as Sage of Six Path or Rikudou Sannin.

Six Path=Rikudou and Sage=Sannin.

Maybe you confused between Six Path chakra and Six Path senjutsu chakra terms.

I dont care if I obliterating my argumemts or points, its because I'm just tried to expain to you about what actually happen to Obito, Naruto, Madara and Hagoromo in manga.

Thats how I debate or argue here, I giving you or everyone info, possible situation, connections, reason etc unlike you. Most of your arguments/debate is just a Debate but to little info or reasons to support your arguments.

Look at my post, you agree on many thing although you also not agree on many thing.

Back to basic Kid Gamer, if you want to debate well or win the debate, back to basic. You are longer here than me, thats mean you should know this.

When I said back to basic, You said how Hagoromo can maintained his Six Path power? Its because he inherit it, where is the ptoof in the manga said Hagoromo inherited Six Path power from Kaguya.

You actually in the same boat as me as your statements is just your assumption without manga or DB support.

But for me I still see the light of truth. Looks here, we both making an assumption here, you assume he inherited it while I assume he studied Juubi body.

We saw someone thats not a Juubi jin still can obtained Six Path Senjutsu power by stealing that power from Juubi jin. Thats why I can make a connection here on how Hagoromo can maintained Six Path Senjutsu power after Juubi is released from his body. He take an unquantifiable amount of Six Path Senjutsu power from Juubi and used it same here for Hamura possibility situation.

Im just tried to tell you if your theory about inheritance is not true, Hagoromo still can obtained Six Path Senjutsu power by taking Juubi chakra using Banbutsu Sozo or anything. The way Obito did. Whats is wrong with that?

For you I said Zero proof on Hagoromo and Hamura inherited Six Path Senjutsu power from his mother as Manga fact told us Sage Mode, the technique that utilize Natural energy and gave you Senjutsu attack or abilities cant be inherited but must be learned.

Theory of yours also can be valid if you show me evidance, manga fact or indirect but possible connection.

. Hagoromo having the power after becoming the Jin is not supported by fact. There's a panel of Kaguya reminiscing, and Hagoromo has his Gudo Dama. There's a panel of them with the Gudo Dama staffs. . Quit trying.
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You mean this right? But when this panel happen inside Kaguya memory?

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Same as here also, where is TSB? Black stuff alone is not enough to proof thats a TSB. What is your excuses on missing TSB there?

Who you want to blame here? Evidance is not consistance.


So now you are saying that Hagoromo's power gives Rikudo Chakra despite going on about this "Juubi is necessary" nonsense? . Not even sure if serious with the wishy washy argument

Look here, you not get my point by you denied it. I meant beside Juubi chakra, if someone stole Hagoromo chakra that contained Six Path Senjutsu chakra they also can get Six Path Senjutsu if they are Sage mode user. But Obito cases was with Madara. Hagoromo would not be any different.

Six Path Senjutsu that actually gave the user TSB, flight etc. Not Six Path chakra. Manga and DB fact.

The main point of this thread is TSB. 2 people with Rinnegan obtained this abilitiy after becoming Juubi jin ah recieved Six Path Senjutsu power. 1 people without Rinnegan obtained this ability after recieving Hagoromo power.

And finally yeah Juubi is not needed for someone to obtained Six Path Senjutsu although its clear as the day Juubi the only one that gave Obito and Madara Six Path Senjutsu(TSB, flight etc) and not Rinnegan or Hagoromo. Naruto doesnt have Rinnegan and Juubi eitherLol. Tell that to Kishi, you have created this new fact for fifth Naruto DB

Its can be that Hagoromo gave the portion of His Six Path chakra to Hamura as a gift possibly(if using my theory that Hagormo got Six Path power after becoming Juubi jin and not before)

Not interested in your theories.

Only way you not needed Juubi to gained Six Path chakra and Six Path Senjutsu is if you're Kaguya's sons.

No. What you are saying here conflicts with everything you've said above.

I saw you think that I conflicted my own statements because I post something that contradicted to my theories.
No Im not contradict anything, Im just expand your theory there because you are to lazy to create theory or expand your reasoning. I'm not supporting your theory there.

And keep in in mind all thing I stated in my previous post that you quote is for you to understand the basic of Shinju, Kaguya, Fruit, Juubi, Six Path power, Six Path Senjutsu, Hagoromo, Hamura, Obito, Madara and Naruto cases. Also its not just for my arguments, its for your arguments also.

Im also not interested on your theory.

If you cant accept it, let us agree to disagree with our point.
 
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Not gonna waste my time with someone interested in his own dumb theories as opposed to what is shown in the Manga. Don't expect another reply.
 
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