[VS] Tsunade vs Ay

[KingHashirama]

Tsunade is superior in strenght and in Chakra, but i don't think she can react to the Raikage.
Raikage mid diff.

She can react.

Notice, people assume being able to react to someone = being able to dodge them. They aren't one and the same. MINATO has normal reactions of kage tier ninja, BUT.. his speed added on to his reaction is what makes him deadly. All kage tier ninja are able to react to speeds of Ay's tier, the only thing is having the speed to dodge. And only characters like Minato/Naruto/Sasuke/Tobirama can "dodge" the Raikage. However, that doesn't mean they are the only ones who can react to him.

So a bunch of manga statements will always seamlessly translate over to a real fight, correct?

It doesn't work like that, unfortunately. I'm not going to take your word that he doesn't either. This is a stomp thread no matter how you look at it, but it's all fine and dandy to use manga statements instead of feats to make an argument look credible. Give me a break.

So when was the last time Ay went against a Kage tier shinobi that wasn't minato.. and blitzed them? since we are talking about feats.

 

[KingHashirama]

Because of you I still believe in humanity

Oh so you are just a "wank" member, who simply wanks on other people.

For God's sake characters have been able to see his "punch" coming every single time hes done it.

Please, don't mention any thing about " reactions". Minato and Naruto had the speed to dodge him.. their reactions are pretty shown to be normal high level.

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[Great Master Minato]

Minato & KCM Naruto have normal reactions? KH I lost any hope I had for you mate Lol

 

[KingHashirama]

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Overusage of the word rustle, when you have 0 arguments or any fact to defend Raikage with, except repeating his speed over and over. Despite the obvious fact of the manga, that hes pretty much even with his fellow kages.

Minato & KCM Naruto have normal reactions? KH I lost any hope I had for you mate Lol

Minato has super god reactions? oh please do show me this, without his ftg or shunshin. I'll wait.

Since clearly his shunshin and ftg = him having super god reactions.

And show me the super god reactions of KCM Naruto, without his speed.

From what you are posting, seems to me you can't differentiate between having reactions to react to something, and having reactions and speed to dodge something.

 

[HiddenSound]

Not an insult, but a simple fact of what he is doing. To say "who wanks a laughable amount".. while hardly ever proving me wrong, is not really good for you. Considering the Orochimaru and Kabuto riding you usually do.

Lol I'm sure you think you're hardly proven wrong. But in reality you're just comically stubborn.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

So, Tsunade can react to v2 Ay?

Laughable.

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol I'm sure you think you're hardly proven wrong. But in reality you're just comically stubborn.

If commically stubborn means disagreeing with the majority of you debaters on certain topics, that yall use dumb reasoning on.. I'm fine as "comically stubborn"..

Hell, yall still have a hard time figuring out the difference betwen 3rd Raikage's skin and his lightning armor..


And now you are talking about some blitz .. or Ay's god speed that can't be reacted to.. Despite not showing how it can't be reacted to.. Unless of course you are in delusion of dodging = reacting , like some of these people.

So, Tsunade can react to v2 Ay?

Laughable.

yea, her striking speed is superior to Minato and Kcm Naruto's. Please note striking speed =/= foot speed or traveling speed.

Unlike Naruto and Minato she cannot dodge Ay, that doesn't mean she can't react to Ay. If her not being able to react to Ay was a canon fact. Ay would be considered the strongest Kage by miles.

 

[Team7monaa]

Tsunade mid-diff.
A Shunshin can probably get around her defenses, however, so she can at best block. With that, he can then follow through and keep doing that until she is left in a vulnerable position and use Liger Bomb to 'kill' her. However, she should be able to activate Byakugo in time, and then combined with her incredible strength, she can use this opportunity to escape Ei's clutches and land a good kick.She can then repair any damage done via Byakugo.

 

[RedRobin]

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Kishi right in this instance makes a hypothetical fight just like we have here that Tsunade has the ability to jump in and take on the Raikage.

So to put these two characters against each other and say one easily wins when its already been portrayed another way makes no sense.

 

[Sublime Green Beast]

Tsunade is not an idiot. She clearly see shows fast he is but still states she is jumping into the fight.

How can you say Ay low diffs if she is portrayed to already be able to handle herself against him? Are we truly using the manga here to prove this match up? Doubt it.

Provide actual feats and then we can have a discussion.

 

[RedRobin]

Provide actual feats and then we can have a discussion.

She has already reacted before the raikage in defending against Madara's Katon. She is shown to have the same striking speed as Ay in his base.

Yet she loses low diff.

 

[BLAZE]

Tsunade mid-diff.

My Sides Lol

 

[Power Bottom]

Tsunade high diff

 

[Great Master Minato]

Minato has super god reactions? oh please do show me this, without his ftg or shunshin. I'll wait.

Since clearly his shunshin and ftg = him having super god reactions.

And show me the super god reactions of KCM Naruto, without his speed.

From what you are posting, seems to me you can't differentiate between having reactions to react to something, and having reactions and speed to dodge something.

4th Raikage's synapses fire as fast as flash of light & he was said to be on par with Minato when his uses his Raiton Cloak to enhances his reactions even more...is this normal to you? Lol & KCM Naruto was portrayed to be on par with Minato or even surpass him...

 

[KingHashirama]

4th Raikage's synapses fire as fast as flash of light & he was said to be on par with Minato when his uses his Raiton Cloak to enhances his reactions even more...is this normal to you? Lol & KCM Naruto was portrayed to be on par with Minato or even surpass him...

How was that flash of light against team Taka? Why didn't he simply speed blitz Juugo?

Now you still haven't shown Minato's "god reactions", without him relying on FTG or shunshin to dodge ..... (and you probably won't be able to, because his reactions are overhyped due to him having high speed techniques)


Reacting =/= dodging

Reacting =/= FTG and shunshin

Minato's reaction are of a high level ninja, you combine those with FTG and shunshin, you have a ninja who is the fastest. How is a ninja like Ay so fast, yet not even considered the strongest? How can Tobirama be so fast, yet inferior to Hashirama (in his base)? How can Minato be so fast, yet not even considered above Hiruzen ? How is all this possible? Reactions.

What is the counter to high speeds? reactions


How was this possible? reactions

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[Sublime Green Beast]

She has already reacted before the raikage in defending against Madara's Katon.

All of them reacted, Tsunade was the only one with a viable counter.

Lol not that it matters though because this does not in any way prove that Tsunade can react to V2 Ay.

 

[Great Master Minato]

How was that flash of light against team Taka? Why didn't he simply speed blitz Juugo?

Now you still haven't shown Minato's "god reactions", without him relying on FTG or shunshin to dodge ..... (and you probably won't be able to, because his reactions are overhyped due to him having high speed techniques)

First of all "4th Raikage's synapses fire as fast as flash of light" is C's statement & a direct quote from Manga so don't try to deny it Lol
& you know reaction is the fastest speed type one can have? you can't move faster than you can react nor can you strike faster than you can react...
Minato having the fastest Non-Rikudo Shunshin = Him having the fastest Non-Rikudo reaction...

 

[KingHashirama]

All of them reacted, Tsunade was the only one with a viable counter. I hope you aren't arguing that Tsunade has better reactions then Ay, because if so I quit.

Stop acting like you are right. First prove you are right. Now prove us that Tsunade was the only one with a viable counter. Prove us that all the other Kages knew Tsunade was the only one with a viable counter and hence they stood and stared.

First of all "4th Raikage's synapses fire as fast as flash of light" is C's statement & a direct quote from Manga so don't try to deny it Lol
& you know reaction is the fastest speed type one can have? you can't move faster than you can react nor can you strike faster than you can react...
Minato having the fastest Non-Rikudo Shunshin = Him having the fastest Non-Rikudo reaction...

Thats cool, that flash of light has been reacted to. You are not gonna prove anything with it. Because as far as character statements go, Jiraiya's statement on Tsunade not having any shoulder to shoulder with her in combat is far superior.

uh no.

Usain bolt = fastest man on the planet

Jon Jones, cain velasquez = shits on Usain bolt in reactions

Yet you claim fastest speed = fastest reactions?

Tobriama's ftg speed and shunshin speed > SM 1 rinnegan Madara's speed...... yet he got shat on in reactions.

 

[RedRobin]

All of them reacted, Tsunade was the only one with a viable counter.

Lol not that it matters though because this does not in any way prove that Tsunade can react to V2 Ay.

Lol They all stood there. Tsunade was the only one who reacted.

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[Bogard]

Tsunade only has a chance in a no knowledge situation where she could take advantage of a dropping his guard Ay after a first hit to land a clean hit, but other than that, he'd always win. The difference in speed would be a major factor. Herself couldn't believe someone could keep up with Raikage when she saw KCM Naruto keeping up, so it should tell you something. All Ay needs to do in this case is cut Tsunade's head and even if you don't believe he can do it in one go, he can brutalize her with few punches, leaving her open for a finishing blow