Plot hole in Kabuto's story, Danzo part of Akatsuki?

[RedRobin]

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According to these panels Sasori originally was allied with Kabuto first and sent him over to spy on Orochimaru. Orochimaru then turned Kabuto into his own spy.

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But according to Kabuto's backstory he meets Orochimaru and allies with him while being a spy for Danzo before being a spy for Sasori.

Or was Danzo simply working with Akatsuki too and gave Sasori Kabuto as a spy.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Spyception XD

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Kishi for the most part just writes he doesn't think to link things up ..

 

[BlazeRelease]

Here's a real plot hole;

At the time of orochimarus death by sasuke* it was 10 years after he had abandoned akatsuki.

Deidara is 21 at this time.

Deidara Bears a strong grudge against oro for abandoning the akatsuki, even though there is no way they could have ever known each other unless he was 11 or so when he joined, but we see itachi recruit him around age 13 while deidara was probably near that age as well.

This also doesnt align correctly with itachis age because he is part of the reason oro left akatsuki, yet itachi did not live near 10 whole years after he joined akatsuki.

Oros time leaving akatsuki and deidaras grudge against oro are plot holes, unless I miscalculated something.

 

[BlazeRelease]

Also I think that orochimari sent kabuto as a double agent against sasori in order to gather Info on akatsuki for him, or am I wrong?

 

[RedRobin]

Also I think that orochimari sent kabuto as a double agent against sasori in order to gather Info on akatsuki for him, or am I wrong?

No its stated in the first scan, Orochimaru thanks Sasori for sending Kabuto to him.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Here's a real plot hole;

At the time of orochimarus death by sasuke* it was 10 years after he had abandoned akatsuki.

Deidara is 21 at this time.

Deidara Bears a strong grudge against oro for abandoning the akatsuki, even though there is no way they could have ever known each other unless he was 11 or so when he joined, but we see itachi recruit him around age 13 while deidara was probably near that age as well.

This also doesnt align correctly with itachis age because he is part of the reason oro left akatsuki, yet itachi did not live near 10 whole years after he joined akatsuki.

Oros time leaving akatsuki and deidaras grudge against oro are plot holes, unless I miscalculated something.

I think he prob hurt sasori (perhaps emotionally when leaving and deidara felt like it was wrong to leave friend or something so he bore a grudge against pro for sasori (he seemed to like him a lot even called him master etc)..

 

[BlazeRelease]

No its stated in the first scan, Orochimaru thanks Sasori for sending Kabuto to him.

Oh that. I always assumed it to be an elaborate ruse to trick the others, but then again, who knows.

I wouldn't call it plot hole though; kabutos entire character is that if a person lost in his missions as a spy, no longer knowing his true self or even his own past, and I guess it kinda reinforces it.

It's also possible that while working for danzo, he was under sasoris jutsu and that his meeting with oro was actually the release of that jutsu.

And yes, I fully believe danzo worked with the akatsuki.

 

[BlazeRelease]

I think he prob hurt sasori (perhaps emotionally when leaving and deidara felt like it was wrong to leave friend or something so he bore a grudge against pro for sasori (he seemed to like him a lot even called him master etc)..

But deidara knew nothing of these people at the time ore left, and I doubt he'd care about sasoris "feelings" since he was a puppet with presumably no emotions to care for.

And the itachi timeline is messed up as well.

13 year old itachi kicks oro out; but oro left 10 years ago, itachi was never 23. Also, deidara was recruited after oro left but is already ~ 18 but at least 7 years haven't passed or itachi would be 20 and that would only give him one more year before sasuke was supposed to have killed him, yet it's not until 3 years later, at 21, when deidara dies.

 

[DeathXVII]

It makes me wonder.... Do kishi even read his own manga?

 

[BlazeRelease]

It makes me wonder.... Do kishi even read his own manga?

Well if you notice, his "plot holes ( really only minor inconsistencies) only occur when looking at how his dozens of older characters interacted in the past. With so many characters it's probably extremely difficult to properly place the events that happened.

I feel like he wanted his "past plot" to be extremely complex and detailed, to show how it led up to the current era, but he was overly ambitious and made a few minor mistakes.

 

[arv993]

Well if you notice, his "plot holes ( really only minor inconsistencies) only occur when looking at how his dozens of older characters interacted in the past. With so many characters it's probably extremely difficult to properly place the events that happened.

I feel like he wanted his "past plot" to be extremely complex and detailed, to show how it led up to the current era, but he was overly ambitious and made a few minor mistakes.

yup no one is perfect he did fairly well until he screwed it up with the final arc. ppl think mangaka should never make mistakes but with one piece and naruto u are bound to. One piece has a few minor problems too

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Orochimaru played Sasori, Kabuto was originally Orochimaru's but pretended to be Sasori's informant.

Danzo was an outside player, likely little direct connection to Akatsuki.

 

[Chie]

Here's a real plot hole;

At the time of orochimarus death by sasuke* it was 10 years after he had abandoned akatsuki.

Deidara is 21 at this time.

Deidara Bears a strong grudge against oro for abandoning the akatsuki, even though there is no way they could have ever known each other unless he was 11 or so when he joined, but we see itachi recruit him around age 13 while deidara was probably near that age as well.

This also doesnt align correctly with itachis age because he is part of the reason oro left akatsuki, yet itachi did not live near 10 whole years after he joined akatsuki.

Oros time leaving akatsuki and deidaras grudge against oro are plot holes, unless I miscalculated something.

Deidara died when he was 19...

But deidara knew nothing of these people at the time ore left, and I doubt he'd care about sasoris "feelings" since he was a puppet with presumably no emotions to care for.

And the itachi timeline is messed up as well.

13 year old itachi kicks oro out; but oro left 10 years ago, itachi was never 23. Also, deidara was recruited after oro left but is already ~ 18 but at least 7 years haven't passed or itachi would be 20 and that would only give him one more year before sasuke was supposed to have killed him, yet it's not until 3 years later, at 21, when deidara dies.

@bold- It was, but Kishimoto actually bothered to correct this.

For the 4th databook, it states that Orochimaru left 8 years ago instead of 10 (10 yrs was a typo in the manga). So, yes Itachi was 13 when he made Orochimaru leave Akatsuki and died at 21.

Deidara was 15 when he was recruited after being defeated by 17 yr old Itachi.

Both Deidara and Itachi die 4 years after this.

ot: TheAncientCenturion explained it perfectly.

Danzo at Konoha uses Kabuto as a spy in an effort to have him killed by his mother as explained in the back story. Orochimaru takes his chances with an emotionally vulnerable Kabuto and persuades him to be his own spy. Orochimaru sent Kabuto to pretend and be Sasori's spy when in reality he was for the former all along. Then, Sasori tries to use Kabuto to go spy on Orochimaru (but Kabuto is Oro's spy from the start). This is done so Kabuto can tell Orochimaru about Akatsuki because his temporary affiliation with Sasori allows him to gain intel.

And no, Danzo has no affiliation with Akatsuki. His only hand in this is via Kabuto's back story and that he would turn a blind eye to Orochimaru's experiments when the former was in Konoha.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Chie soloing?

 

[Floydical]

I doubt Danzo actually worked with Akatsuki members aside from Itachi, not even he was that bad.

With that said, its either a plothole, like you said, or its simply a story with more depth now. I know Oro thanks Sasori for sending Kabuto to him, but that could have been a lie. Case in point, Kabuto meets Oro and aligns with him. Oro sends him on reconnaissance against the Akatsuki and Sasori claims him by putting him under his control. Kabuto is then sent to spy on Oro and gets the Jutsu cancelled, thus returning his memories.

The whole time Kabuto was actually Oro's, but they make Sasori believe he got to him first.