Orochimaru vs Sasori

[RedRobin]

Sasori is just as smart as Orochimaru and has experimented a lot just like Orochimaru, he is able to make puppets out of humans, preserving their chakra and original abilities. He turned himself into a puppet.

Sasori's poison is just as deadly and complex as Orochimaru's stuff. Orochimaru is definitely not above Sasori in this aspect so there is no argument for Orochimaru being immune to Sasori's poison.

 

[HiddenSound]

Sasori is just as smart as Orochimaru and has experimented a lot just like Orochimaru, he is able to make puppets out of humans, preserving their chakra and original abilities. He turned himself into a puppet.

Sasori's poison is just as deadly and complex as Orochimaru's stuff. Orochimaru is definitely not above Sasori in this aspect so there is no argument for Orochimaru being immune to Sasori's poison.

I don't remember Sasori doing anything on the level of creating a dimension.
And there is an argument, but whatever you say Lol

 

[RedRobin]

I don't remember Sasori doing anything on the level of creating a dimension.
And there is an argument, but whatever you say Lol

I dont know, I have no clue how he was able to create his core and become a puppet but still use his brain. Its very tricky and seems beyond complex.

But none of that has to do with poison.

 

[HiddenSound]

I dont know, I have no clue how he was able to create his core and become a puppet but still use his brain. Its very tricky and seems beyond complex.

But none of that has to do with poison.

A "normal" human, with no special sage powers, creating another plan of being, seems beyond possibility. But arguing this part is pointless.

It does.. The whole argument is all poison. You're saying Orochimaru, an expert in poison himself, never took the opportunity to take Sasori's poison (countless opportunities). Or you're saying that if he did, which it'd be very out of character for him not to, that the poison was too complex and he just gave up. BUT he went ahead and went out to face Sasori, while severely crippled as a fighter, with the express knowledge that Sasori's poison would mess him up any way. That sounds good to you?

 

[RedRobin]

A "normal" human, with no special sage powers, creating another plan of being, seems beyond possibility. But arguing this part is pointless.

It does.. The whole argument is all poison. You're saying Orochimaru, an expert in poison himself, never took the opportunity to take Sasori's poison (countless opportunities). Or you're saying that if he did, which it'd be very out of character for him not to, that the poison was too complex and he just gave up. BUT he went ahead and went out to face Sasori, while severely crippled as a fighter, with the express knowledge that Sasori's poison would mess him up any way. That sounds good to you?

Works in the same way as Sasori knowing Orochimaru took his poison and created a cure and Sasori simply changes his poison up. So again no argument as to why Orochimaru would get one up on Sasori in poisons.

Sure it makes perfect sense Orochimaru takes a sample and makes himself immune but it also makes sense that Sasori then changed his poison.

 

[HiddenSound]

Works in the same way as Sasori knowing Orochimaru took his poison and created a cure and Sasori simply changes his poison up. So again no argument as to why Orochimaru would get one up on Sasori in poisons.

Sure it makes perfect sense Orochimaru takes a sample and makes himself immune but it also makes sense that Sasori then changed his poison.

I'd imagine that, except Kakashi said that Sakura's poison, which should be on the same level or greater than Sasori's own poison seeing how she pulled it apart and created an antidote, wouldn't have an effect on Sasuke who gained an immunity to poison from Orochimaru.

 

[RedRobin]

I'd imagine that, except Kakashi said that Sakura's poison, which should be on the same level or greater than Sasori's own poison seeing how she pulled it apart and created an antidote, wouldn't have an effect on Sasuke who gained an immunity to poison from Orochimaru.

There is nothing to show Sakura used Sasori's poison. Kakashi stated the

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wouldnt kill Sasuke. So Sasori's poison is most likely more complex than Shizune's.

 

[HiddenSound]

There is nothing to show Sakura used Sasori's poison. Kakashi stated the

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wouldnt kill Sasuke. So Sasori's poison is most likely more complex than Shizune's.

You got me on Shizune. Doesn't add up either way. She can pick apart Sasori's poison and create an antidote yet she learns poison from Shizune.

 

[RedRobin]

You got me on Shizune. Doesn't add up either way. She can pick apart Sasori's poison and create an antidote yet she learns poison from Shizune.

Well she learned how to create an antidote from Tsunade and poisons from Shizune.

 

[Zexion~]

You didn't even read what I posted Zex :|
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He worked with Sasori as an Akatsuki member for long time, saw his true form which he rarely reveals, undeniably had access to his poison, Orochimaru planned on attacking and killing Sasori with very little of his own arsenal, and yet Orochimaru can't counter his poison. Makes sense, my man.

And is she more advanced with poison? The blood of Orochimaru's true form IS poison, a poison that vaporizes on contact with the air and paralyzes after a few short minutes at most.

Yes,snakes in general are always involved with poison he doesn't need to be skilled in its components.

I always thought he knew it wasn't Sasori just because he knew it was Yamato Lol.

Uhm he had body replacement which may or may not counter it, and he could of just planned on not getting hit...like normal shinobi's would .-.

 

[HiddenSound]

Well she learned how to create an antidote from Tsunade and poisons from Shizune.

That's another thing I just thought of. Perhaps, and it sounds crazy, but perhaps Shizune's poison is greater than Sasori's. Shizune learned from Taunade who continuously countered Chiyo's poison. Though Chiyo did state Sasori's poison was greater than her own, perhaps Shizune improved too. Also, perhaps Sakura added a few things of her own into the poison.
Sakura having an intimate knowledge of Sasori's poison yet choosing Shizune just doesn't make sense, unless Shizune's poison > Sasori's, which sounds insane.

Yes,snakes in general are always involved with poison he doesn't need to be skilled in its components.

I always thought he knew it wasn't Sasori just because he knew it was Yamato Lol.

Uhm he had body replacement which may or may not counter it, and he could of just planned on not getting hit...like normal shinobi's would .-.

He's not a snake, he's a human. Just because his theme is snake doesn't automatically well versed in poison.

Why would he say it wasn't Sasori if he didn't know what Sasori looked like? He wouldn't know...

Oral Rebirth three times and dodge around. I'm not seeing Orochimaru prepare for such a fight with such a vague, loose strategy. Especially when he DID prepare.

 

[New Dawn]

Sasori is just as smart as Orochimaru and has experimented a lot just like Orochimaru, he is able to make puppets out of humans, preserving their chakra and original abilities. He turned himself into a puppet.

Sasori's poison is just as deadly and complex as Orochimaru's stuff. Orochimaru is definitely not above Sasori in this aspect so there is no argument for Orochimaru being immune to Sasori's poison.

Yeah just because a snake is poison doesn't mean it can't be poisoned by other snakes.

 

[Zexion~]

That's another thing I just thought of. Perhaps, and it sounds crazy, but perhaps Shizune's poison is greater than Sasori's. Shizune learned from Taunade who continuously countered Chiyo's poison. Though Chiyo did state Sasori's poison was greater than her own, perhaps Shizune improved too. Also, perhaps Sakura added a few things of her own into the poison.
Sakura having an intimate knowledge of Sasori's poison yet choosing Shizune just doesn't make sense, unless Shizune's poison > Sasori's, which sounds insane.

He's not a snake, he's a human. Just because his theme is snake doesn't automatically well versed in poison.

Why would he say it wasn't Sasori if he didn't know what Sasori looked like? He wouldn't know...

Oral Rebirth three times and dodge around. I'm not seeing Orochimaru prepare for such a fight with such a vague, loose strategy. Especially when he DID prepare.

Uhm, his true form is clearly snake like.....Strange how its the only time that poison is ever in effect huh :erm:

Because he knew that the person there WASN'T Sasori.....

What? If he truly prepared he would of brought a counter to his IS not the poison its all just conjecture until you prove he's resistant at the most he had an antidote ready Lol

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Orochimaru wins, regardless of immunity to Sasori's poison.

 

[Zexion~]

Orochimaru wins, regardless of immunity to Sasori's poison.

Shoulda debated this or with Deidara

How so mongrel?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Shoulda debated this or with Deidara

How so mongrel?

Orochimaru's fast enough to avoid most of Sasori's projectiles. The real problem comes from iron sand world, which oral rebirth counters solidly.

Inb4 Poison spreads to a new body

Inb4 fake speed feats for the Iron Sand

 

[HiddenSound]

Uhm, his true form is clearly snake like.....Strange how its the only time that poison is ever in effect huh :erm:

Because he knew that the person there WASN'T Sasori.....

What? If he truly prepared he would of brought a counter to his IS not the poison its all just conjecture until you prove he's resistant at the most he had an antidote ready Lol

Yes it is. A form he created.

How would he know? Kabuto though it was, they came there to kill Sasori, then this guy pops out that isn't Sasori. Kabuto asks if it is Sasori. If Orochimaru never saw his true form he wouldn't give such a confident answer.

His poison is the deadliest part of his arsenal. All his weapons are drenched in it. One scratch means death. IS is not to be trifled with and its a staple of Sasori's repertoire, but the main thing to go against is poison.

As I said in the beginning, it was never explicitly stated so I can't prove anything. But things don't have to be explicitly stated to be true or not. That's kinda the point of vs threads themselves. You take things that aren't specifically stated and debate them to come to a conclusion of whether it's right or wrong.

And gnight

 

[Zexion~]

Orochimaru's fast enough to avoid most of Sasori's projectiles. The real problem comes from iron sand world, which oral rebirth counters solidly.

Inb4 Poison spreads to a new body

Inb4 fake speed feats for the Iron Sand

Inb4 your lame attempts at insults got old...oh wait....

Anyways, I don't know why people claim IS smaller variants are slow, Chiyo and Sakura had to resort to chakra shields both times, IS Drizzle's range is wide Oro is decently fast when he goes snake style, but Sasori's IS stakes and drizzle will keep him on edge, actually his larger variants could provide greater problems for Oro as he travels upon the ground to gain speed, and they create gaping holes in said ground.

When he body regens he'll be met with Sasori himself and his weapons, or the third diving straight at him.



@HS Lel no its not the point of VS threads, making assumptions without a clear conclusion is flawed, how exactly is he immune to the poison? Give an answer and maybe Ill take you seriously. Also he knew who Yamato was...he created him so obv he wouldn't be Sasori .-.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Inb4 your lame attempts at insults got old...oh wait....

Anyways, I don't know why people claim IS smaller variants are slow, Chiyo and Sakura had to resort to chakra shields both times, IS Drizzle's range is wide Oro is decently fast when he goes snake style, but Sasori's IS stakes and drizzle will keep him on edge, actually his larger variants could provide greater problems for Oro as he travels upon the ground to gain speed, and they create gaping holes in said ground.

When he body regens he'll be met with Sasori himself and his weapons, or the third diving straight at him.

You wanna keep this post or edit it? I'm perfectly fine with you editing it, and I'll act like I never saw the original.

 

[Zexion~]

You wanna keep this post or edit it? I'm perfectly fine with you editing it, and I'll act like I never saw the original.

Lel, just try and make an argument for our actual debate U_U Going around thinking you're better then everyone else is only applicable when you actually showcase it.