[Discussion] Smoker vs

[Uzumaki Macho]

I realise we're talking about PH Smoker, what other Smoker would we be talking about? Seriously, you're so condescending it's laughable, especially when it's you who doesn't understand what I'm saying

Smoker was: beaten by Vergo in an attempt to get Laws heart back, not fighting Vergo with intent to kill. Full health Doffy vs very much weakened Smoker doesn't count.

Secondly: considering Luffy had only been hit TWICE ever, before activating G4, It's clear he's nowhere near as bad as Doffy who had his organs annihilated. It's amazing he's even alive, regardless of his stitching, holding his body together.

You were just talking about how Smoker pushes Luffy to high diff because he will get a powerp, so you clearly were talking about future Smoker and not current Smoker. Smoker focused on getting Law's heart because he knew he couldn't beat Vergo, or else he would have just beaten Vergo and then give it back. You guys like to mention how Luffy said Doflamingo was weakened by Gamma Knife, but completely ignore how Doflamingo said Luffy was half dead since he was letting Bellamy constantly hit him while all of the other fights were finishing up. Smoker ate Sanji's rejuvenating meal, the only thing that weakened him was him missing his jutte.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

You were just talking about how Smoker pushes Luffy to high diff because he will get a powerp, so you clearly were talking about future Smoker and not current Smoker. Smoker focused on getting Law's heart because he knew he couldn't beat Vergo, or else he would have just beaten Vergo and then give it back. You guys like to mention how Luffy said Doflamingo was weakened by Gamma Knife, but completely ignore how Doflamingo said Luffy was half dead since he was letting Bellamy constantly hit him while all of the other fights were finishing up. Smoker ate Sanji's rejuvenating meal, the only thing that weakened him was him missing his jutte.

No. Me say he draw vs Luffy wen he iz powerup. Rite noow he iz hig diffeculteh

Or hee ded et oot ov onoour

Ruff waz onle hit onc bi Berrameh n onc bi Fliming avtr dat

Dof zaid dat Ruff wa injud, naht on eql fting

 

[Bogard]

Luffy and Doflamingo are both weakened. However Luffy is physically weakened when Doflamingo is internally weakened. The difference in damage isn't even remotely comparable, especially when physical damages never stopped Luffy to fight at full potential(he was in a worse state when he manhandled Crocodile in Alabasta and it's practically close to dead tired that he mutilated Rob Lucci with a stronger and faster jet gatling, not to mention his other impressive will feats in Impel Down or War of the best) and he stepped up his game with a complete new mode rendering previous physical fatigue unnoticeable when in Doflamingo's case, it's his internal organs that completely blew up. Like Law said, you can't defend yourself against internal attacks. They are simply the worse injuries. It's impossible that they are of similar health

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

No. Me say he draw vs Luffy wen he iz powerup. Rite noow he iz hig diffeculteh

Or hee ded et oot ov onoour

Ruff waz onle hit onc bi Berrameh n onc bi Fliming avtr dat

Dof zaid dat Ruff wa injud, naht on eql fting

So you think Smoker can currently push Luffy to high diff? Looks like you can't make up an argument since all you can do is resort to belittling the other side, like you usually do.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

So you think Smoker can currently push Luffy to high diff? Looks like you can't make up an argument since all you can do is resort to belittling the other side, like you usually do.

There's no belittling to be done. You've not formulated an argument, you've just misunderstood my points. It's funny because I did form an argument, you just haven't read it properly

 

[Dr Strangelove]

I'm on the fence when it comes to these match ups.
I have pretty clear ideas of who would come out on top, the only problem is what difficulty to label them, especially when it comes to Luffy since he is the only out of the three who will be effected by Smokers jitte.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

There's no belittling to be done. You've not formulated an argument, you've just misunderstood my points. It's funny because I did form an argument, you just haven't read it properly

No I understood your points.

 

[kageking]

Luffy would curb stomp smoker like what sabo did to Bastille. After seeing gear 4's power you can't even mention smoker in the same breath as Luffy.

I reckon zoro could mid-diff smoker. I have a feeling that having just seen Luffy's true strength, zoro has yet to show his and he is never too far behind Luffy in power.

Sanji is an interesting one. I reckon he too has power that he has not yet shown, mostly because of the way he stood up to big moms crew so defiantly. We haven't seen him for a while now though so no idea what's in store for us there but I don't think he would lose to smoker for the same reason zoro wouldn't.
Smoker isn't really anything special in the new world. If the M3 couldn't beat him they'd have no chance.

Zoro woul

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

No I understood your points.

Evidently not... You even thought I thought we were talking about a preskip smoker in a post involving G4... dat comprehension though.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Evidently not... You even thought I thought we were talking about a preskip smoker in a post involving G4... dat comprehension though.

What? I never even mentioned pre TS Smoker.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

What? I never even mentioned pre TS Smoker.

You said "you know we're talking about PH smoker?", we've only seen Smoker in PH since the timeskip, hence the assumption of pre TS, which is ridiculous

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

You said "you know we're talking about PH smoker?", we've only seen Smoker in PH since the timeskip, hence the assumption of pre TS, which is ridiculous

No I was assuming you were talking about later on when Smoker gets a power up.

 

[TheHokage]

Well now isn't this a sad thread...

Luffy medium - high diff. (Are people seriously forgetting that Doflamingo is like critically injured and is still tanking hits from Luffy in gear 4th?)

Zoro - Could go either way IMO I'm more leaning towards Smoker due to Smokers portrayal with the Strawhats. (Luffy being his target etc...would make no sense story wise for Smoker to be weaker than the second strongest if he's gunning for the strongest in the crew)

Sanji - Smoker wins high diff.

Now waiting for the idiotic...replies.

I'm not sure , maybe I'm the only one but maybe Smoker has hit the limit of his capabilities?
He is not exactly the youngest marine either.. If after 2 years in the new world he is still this underwhelming I fear he might not be able to keep up. Coby already surpassed him I think

Yeah it is just you... You know people don't stop getting stronger...the fact that Smoker isn't even the only problem with this...do you Roger and Whitebeard were strong at a young age automatically and with Garp we seen in the flashback he got stronger by training when he was older than current Smoker...

Coby being stronger than current Smoker...baseless not to mention ridiculous. Coby get's mid diff'd by Robin.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

No I was assuming you were talking about later on when Smoker gets a power up.

Saying he will get one is future tense

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Well now isn't this a sad thread...

Luffy medium - high diff. (Are people seriously forgetting that Doflamingo is like critically injured and is still tanking hits from Luffy in gear 4th?)

Zoro - Could go either way IMO I'm more leaning towards Smoker due to Smokers portrayal with the Strawhats. (Luffy being his target etc...would make no sense story wise for Smoker to be weaker than the second strongest if he's gunning for the strongest in the crew)

Sanji - Smoker wins high diff.

Now waiting for the idiotic...replies.

I don't think you know what tanking means.

 

[IminLovewithMAryj]

Evidently not... You even thought I thought we were talking about a preskip smoker in a post involving G4... dat comprehension though.

Dude, Bogard freaking #Rekt your argument on the previous page.*But for whatever reason you are ignoring those posts. How... You of you.

 

[OG sama]

These excuses though, until Smoker gets a damn power up he isn't pushing luffy at all. This match with G4 can be low-mid diff at best, saying Smoker has more tricks up his sleeve is future tense, as in he's no match for Luffy currently. There is a reason why they haven't had a real fight yet. And that's because Luffy would curb stomp him. As I have said before, you can't use future Smoker to justify the current one.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Dude, Bogard freaking #Rekt your argument on the previous page.*But for whatever reason you are ignoring those posts. How... You of you.

Haven't read the post

 

[U mAd]

Well now isn't this a sad thread...

Luffy medium - high diff. (Are people seriously forgetting that Doflamingo is like critically injured and is still tanking hits from Luffy in gear 4th?)

Zoro - Could go either way IMO I'm more leaning towards Smoker due to Smokers portrayal with the Strawhats. (Luffy being his target etc...would make no sense story wise for Smoker to be weaker than the second strongest if he's gunning for the strongest in the crew)

Sanji - Smoker wins high diff.

Now waiting for the idiotic...replies.



Yeah it is just you... You know people don't stop getting stronger...the fact that Smoker isn't even the only problem with this...do you Roger and Whitebeard were strong at a young age automatically and with Garp we seen in the flashback he got stronger by training when he was older than current Smoker...

Coby being stronger than current Smoker...baseless not to mention ridiculous. Coby get's mid diff'd by Robin.

u know that gif of smoker vs vergo,in the manga smoker got owned by vergo waaaaaaaay quicker then the anime.

 

[Hexuze]

u know that gif of smoker vs vergo,in the manga smoker got owned by vergo waaaaaaaay quicker then the anime.

Not as fast as Zoro getting knocked out by the yeti cool bros.