To unlock Rinnegan you may need EMS eyes

[TimeMask]

I think rinnegan = indra chakra + Ashura chakra + EMS eyes + near death experience

It seems Naruto had some of Indra's chakra yet he didn't unlock rinnegan despite having Ashura's chakra and having a near death experience. This is why I think you need EMS to get rinnegan.

Hagoromo is able to appear if someone has Indra + Ashura + kyubi chakra according to the manga, this is said when the sage appears to the kages from Madara's cut off body (shown on Naruto 686 page2).

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In the middle right panel in the this pic the Sage says how he was able to appear.


Also Sasuke should be able to gain a 2nd rinnegan from another near death experience if he got Hashirama cells from Kabuto which should mean he has Ashura chakra.

I prefer how Sasuke looks with 1 rinnegan / 1 sharingan so I don't mind if he never unlocks a 2nd rinnegan.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

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Also this panel implies that at some point hago had no Faith on indra rinnecrations therefore he "left everything" to ashura meaning rinnegan belonged to ashuras at some point

 

[Gerkak]

Perhaps

 

[Torche]

Maddy had one blind eye doe...

 

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Also this panel implies that at some point hago had no Faith on indra rinnecrations therefore he "left everything" to ashura meaning rinnegan belonged to ashuras at some point

Are you sure?

 

[Torche]

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Also this panel implies that at some point hago had no Faith on indra rinnecrations therefore he "left everything" to ashura meaning rinnegan belonged to ashuras at some point

No, BZ said that only people to unlock Rinnegan were Madara and Hagoromo. By "leaving everything" he meant Ninshuu.

 

[Rikodou Mode]

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Also this panel implies that at some point hago had no Faith on indra rinnecrations therefore he "left everything" to ashura meaning rinnegan belonged to ashuras at some point

Nah, it proves that Ashura was given RSM. He said "this time i'll give both of you", he was implying his chakra and as Naruto proved, Hagoromo's chakra didn't give him a Rinnegan but RSM instead.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

The first and foremost requirement of awakening the Rinnegan is the acquisition of the Sage's chakra, which was observed when Madara combined Indra's and Ashura's chakra to awaken the Rinnegan and Sasuke did it by directly acquiring the Sage's chakra. The prominence of EMS however, cannot be determined exactly, but it can be speculated. Since both Naruto and Sasuke acquired the Sage's chakra but only Sasuke awakened the Rinnegan, it's highly probable that EMS is required for this feat to happen. Or maybe just combining the Sage's chakra with the Uchiha bloodline could also result in its occurrence, but then Indra should have the Rinnegan as well. So from the above conclusions, it can be said that EMS is required for the Rinnegan's activation, but still "maybe"...

 

[Rikodou Mode]

I think EMS is specifically needed because Indra's full power was always divided in two (Madara/Izuna, Sasuke/Itachi)

 

[Ken Kaneki]

Same way as Sasuke was missing the body and didn't acquire RSM.
Edit: It makes sense. Obi to was never able to awake Rinnegan. So I see 2 scenarios:-

1) You must have EMS + Indra + Ashura to wake Rinnegan. This is also a relevant explanation as Obito never did have EMS, thus could never awake Rinnegan, even after having Indra's eyes and Ashura's cells
2) You must be Indra trans migrant to awake Rinnegan. Obito had both parts but his eye remained MS. This maybe due to the fact that he was never an Indra transmigrant.

Either of the two is viable. However, I cannot be certain as it took Madara a long long time to awake Rinnegan even after having everything.

Why do I feel like I am missing something

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Are you sure?

nah, I forgot bz said this.

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No, BZ said that only people to unlock Rinnegan were Madara and Hagoromo. By "leaving everything" he meant Ninshuu.

He left ninshu for every single person in the clan aka otsuuki, I think he meant obtaining peace.

But anyway you're correct. Madara and so6p were the only ones that did.

 

[Torche]

nah, I forgot bz said this.

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He left ninshu for every single person in the clan aka otsuuki, I think he meant obtaining peace.

But anyway you're correct. Madara and so6p were the only ones that did.

My bad, he left Ashura as the "leader".

Yup.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Same way as Sasuke was missing the body and didn't acquire RSM.
Edit: It makes sense. Obi to was never able to awake Rinnegan. So I see 2 scenarios:-

1) You must have EMS + Indra + Ashura to wake Rinnegan. This is also a relevant explanation as Obito never did have EMS, thus could never awake Rinnegan, even after having Indra's eyes and Ashura's cells
2) You must be Indra trans migrant to awake Rinnegan. Obito had both parts but his eye remained MS. This maybe due to the fact that he was never an Indra transmigrant.

Either of the two is viable. However, I cannot be certain as it took Madara a long long time to awake Rinnegan even after having everything.

Why do I feel like I am missing something

Obito is irrelevant here, because he wasn't the reincarnation of Indra. So it doesn't even matter if he had EMS or not.

 

[lndra]

The Rinnegan is not the Uchiha's - Is it both Ashura/Indra, so no it is not. It is just the fact that two Uchiha's activated the Rinnegan near the peak of their EMS power (in terms of how far the Sharingan activated). Hagoromo never had the Sharingan.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Not this again. There are countless thread about how to obtain rinnegan and you already have the answer there.

Why need to make this thread. Used search bar.

OT, Hagoromo never said anything about EMS. He said, when Indra and Ashura chakra merge it will turned to/became Hagoromo chakra and the sign of someone who possess Hagoromo chakra was Rinnegan.

If Indra obtain Ashura chakra, he can awaken the Rinnegan eyes

He doesnt have EMS tho.

 

[Ken Kaneki]

Obito is irrelevant here, because he wasn't the reincarnation of Indra. So it doesn't even matter if he had EMS or not.

Hence scenario no 2.

 

[Xāvî1]

No EMS isn't needed for that!

 

[Oblivionx]

people are confusing EMS requirement as only sasuke awakened rinnegan and naruto didn't but that's not true...! what's required is sharingan not EMS...!
as madara told obito that beside having both chakras he couldn't awaken rinnegan clearly implying that only sharingan is needed as obito didn't even have EMS...!

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Hence scenario no 2.

Yes, but both aren't viable. Only the second scenario you mentioned is right, and I was basically trying to completely rule out the first scenario you think is viable. Didn't neglect the second one.

people are confusing EMS requirement as only sasuke awakened rinnegan and naruto didn't but that's not true...! what's required is sharingan not EMS...!
as madara told obito that beside having both chakras he couldn't awaken rinnegan clearly implying that only sharingan is needed as obito didn't even have EMS...!

You could be right concerning your theory about Sharingan and not EMS. But Obito's situation is different. He wasn't Indra's transmigrant in the first place...

Not this again. There are countless thread about how to obtain rinnegan and you already have the answer there.

Why need to make this thread. Used search bar.

OT, Hagoromo never said anything about EMS. He said, when Indra and Ashura chakra merge it will turned to/became Hagoromo chakra and the sign of someone who possess Hagoromo chakra was Rinnegan.

If Indra obtain Ashura chakra, he can awaken the Rinnegan eyes

He doesnt have EMS tho.

@bold Naruto was also endowed with Hagoromo's chakra, yet he didn't awaken the Rinnegan. So that's not the only requirement.

@underlined Indra's MS is equivalent to Madara and Sasuke's EMS. Rather, Madara and Sasuke needed 2 Mangekyou Sharingans to get the same power as Indra's MS, and that's dubbed as "Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan". Technically, there is no such thing as EMS. It's actually only the MS only called EMS because of the upgrade from regular MS and eliminating the blindness factor.

 

[Ken Kaneki]

Yes, but both aren't viable. Only the second scenario you mentioned is right, and I was basically trying to completely rule out the first scenario you think is viable. Didn't neglect the second one.



You could be right concerning your theory about Sharingan and not EMS. But Obito's situation is different. He wasn't Indra's transmigrant in the first place...



@bold Naruto was also endowed with Hagoromo's chakra, yet he didn't awaken the Rinnegan. So that's not the only requirement.

@underlined Indra's MS is equivalent to Madara and Sasuke's EMS. Rather, Madara and Sasuke needed 2 Mangekyou Sharingans to get the same power as Indra's MS, and that's dubbed as "Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan". Technically, there is no such thing as EMS. It's actually only the MS only called EMS because of the upgrade from regular MS and eliminating the blindness factor.

See I understand your theory for debunking 1, but there is no proof.
All we know is that Indra + Ashura is required. Obito had Indra + Ashura but didn't have EMS. Son what the OP may be trying to suggest is that is EMS an essential requirement even if person has Indra + Ashura, as Obito did ? Do we have any proof debunking this? Was there any person who had EMS + Indra + Ashura and did not awake Rinnegan? No.
Likewise there is no proof that if a person obtains Indra + Ashura at MS stage and is Indra transmigrant, he would awaken a Rinnegan. So we cannot even say that EMS could be bypassed.
So we are at a point where both theories would do. I don't see any reason for rejecting one.