Hirudora vs FRS vs Kirin

[Beans2]

The tiger used against Madara was smaller than the tiger used against Kisame.
Bigger tiger = Bigger explosion. Gai can make differen sized Hirudoras, i don't know how but the manga showed that.

And the explosion against madara definitely wasn't turtle island+ sized. Or else everyone on the battlefield would have been engulfed.

 

[Bogard]

How exactly can a bigger explosion used by a fresh Gai be weaker than a smaller explosion used by a physically weakened and strained Gai?

@Strict Naruto can put more chakra in his rasengan if he wants:

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[KidGamer65]

If Hirudora could destroy V3 Susanoo, then it would have turned Kisame and Gai (who suffered the effects of his own Hirudora when Madara blocked it with his stake) to shreds. And don't start with, against Kisame he used a weaker version. Hirudora is Hirudora, and the AoE was the same in any case.

Different Hirudora, different circumstances.

1. Kisame and Gai were underwater, Gai wasn't trying to kill him. (thus he wouldn't use an attack that'd kill him) Not to mention the smaller Kisame is, the larger the explosion, the less focused it'd be on Kisame thus he'd take less damage. All this means is that the more focused Hirudora is, the stronger it is. And it had to go through GSB. All these factors contribute to why Kisame lived.

2. Gai never suffered the effects of Hirudora. He used it, but Madara cut it and caused an explosion. You can clearly see that the explosion that occurred wasn't the Hirudora explosion. Not to mention you'd be suggesting that Gai took an attack that rendered Kisame unable to move. With only a few broken bones no less.

"Hirudora is Hirudora" is an obviously false claim if you actually looked at both explosions and both Hirudora. The one used against Madara was nowhere near as large as the one used on Kisame. I also see that you said you couldn't see the full AoE, even though you clearly could, right after the attack was launched.

Yeah, the binding of Madara's Mokuton became weaker, however it doesn't mean that his Susanoo was destroyed. Simple distraction could be enough.

And why would a distraction cause Madara's binding to be broken? He was able to use Mokuton on B and Naruto w/o even focusing on both of them, so distraction can't be a factor.

 

[Strict]

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Here, Gai took his own Hirudora (can we assume that Gai used the strongest form of his Hirudora against Madara?) and received a broken arm and a few broken ribs. In order to destroy V3 Susanoo, you would need dozen of times the power of the Hirudora used against Madara. Unless you tell me that Madara parrying Hirudora drained its power from destroying V3 Susanoo to breaking a few human bones.

There is no different Hirudora. There are different Rasenshurikens. Chou Rasenshuriken as a stronger version. But there is no Chou Hirudora or other forms. Hirudora is Hirudora.

right after the attack was launched.

I see. Yet you can't compare their size, there is no clear size comparison even with the surroundings. The island was too far away and in Madara's case there was all the more no other objects for scale.

Size comparison is a problem to begin with, as size is no constant in Naruto. Could give you countless examples. So comparing the sizes to find some differences is futile. Unless there is some clear size difference and noted difference in strength. All I see are two shockwaves, at least one having no objects for scale.

Plus, all you speak about happened off screen. In fact, we didn't see Susanoo being destroyed, Madara either. The binding of his Mokuton weakening is a hint, nothing more. And it's a difference to concentrate on another matter while having in mind to maintain the Mokuton to restrain the Bijuu, or being shot away by a shockwave. In case 1, you keep track of the battle, in case 2 you will be completely distracted from the battle. Let's consider Madara's Susanoo didn't receive a scratch. Yet he was shot away at a great distance, ending up being covered in a shockwave. Even if he received no damage, the distraction should be great enough to at least loosen the binding of Mokuton.

I always have a problem with off panel feats. We didn't see the damage caused on Susanoo or Madara, yet we should assume that Hirudora definitely destroyed it. Don't deny that it made some damage and made Susanoo to form back though. But not crushing it.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Here, Gai took his own Hirudora (can we assume that Gai used the strongest form of his Hirudora against Madara?) and received a broken arm and a few broken ribs. In order to destroy V3 Susanoo, you would need dozen of times the power of the Hirudora used against Madara. Unless you tell me that Madara parrying Hirudora drained its power from destroying V3 Susanoo to breaking a few human bones.

Already explained this. There was no Hirudora explosion, so Gai didn't take his Hirudora. That impact is caused from Madara cutting through Hirudora and obliterating it before it could fully form and explode. Like I said, Gai taking something that almost knocked Kisame out is nonsense.

Then there's the fact that you are trying to assert that Gai can tank Hirudora w/ only a broken arm and some broken ribs and that Kisame can tank Hirudora, yet a weaker attack used in a weaker gate, Asa Kujaku, can kill a man? A 30% Clone of Kisame no less.

Doesn't make sense. At all.

There is no different Hirudora. There are different Rasenshurikens. Chou Rasenshuriken as a stronger version. But there is no Chou Hirudora or other forms. Hirudora is Hirudora.

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Once again. There are different levels of Hirudora.

Hirudora has already shown to be made

I see. Yet you can't compare their size, there is no clear size comparison even with the surroundings. The island was too far away and in Madara's case there was all the more no other objects for scale.

Size comparison is a problem to begin with, as size is no constant in Naruto. Could give you countless examples. So comparing the sizes to find some differences is futile. Unless there is some clear size difference and noted difference in strength. All I see are two shockwaves, at least one having no objects for scale.

Read above. Two different sized Hirudora attacks.

Plus, all you speak about happened off screen. In fact, we didn't see Susanoo being destroyed, Madara either. The binding of his Mokuton weakening is a hint, nothing more. And it's a difference to concentrate on another matter while having in mind to maintain the Mokuton to restrain the Bijuu, or being shot away by a shockwave. In case 1, you keep track of the battle, in case 2 you will be completely distracted from the battle. Let's consider Madara's Susanoo didn't receive a scratch. Yet he was shot away at a great distance, ending up being covered in a shockwave. Even if he received no damage, the distraction should be great enough to at least loosen the binding of Mokuton.

It happening off screen isn't evidence that it didn't happen.

The weakening of Mokuton is evidence. Plain and simple. Your two situations have zero difference in reality. Madara's attention is split between two different things. Hell, his attention wasn't even on Naruto once he was about to kill B. If he needed to be able to concentrate to maintain his Mokuton, then he wouldn't be able to use Mokuton on two targets, while paying no attention to the other target. Being shot away by Hirudora is only different in the fact that it takes his concentration off both Gai/B and Naruto. Not a difference that'd make him drop his Mokuton when he could maintain it before. Being covered by Hirudora's explosion and being sent way a good distance is no different than Madara taking his attention off Naruto, and putting it on B and Gai.

I always have a problem with off panel feats. We didn't see the damage caused on Susanoo or Madara, yet we should assume that Hirudora definitely destroyed it. Don't deny that it made some damage and made Susanoo to form back though. But not crushing it.

There's no evidence that he tanked it, and there's evidence that he was damaged.

 

[Unorthodox]

Mokuton was weakened, so Madara must have been knocked out at least.

Since when can edo be knockout?

Whether or not Hirudora can level the hideout is irrelevant when we aren't comparing size, we are comparing power.

What???????? leveling the hideout is a contestment of its power how does size play any factor and destroying the hideout?

V3 Susanoo protected Itachi from Kirin yet V3 Susanoo failed to protect Madara from Hirudora.

Nope we can only assume it was v3 susanoo that was used nb4 (Totsuka and yata mirror automatically comes out with 4 susanoo) not true itachi used Totsuka with his ribcage susanoo

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meaning there optional but lets go by what your saying for a minute. You claimed Hirudora was stronger? and that it destroyed his v3 knocking him out so his gripped loosened now lets say itachi was in that scenario he was actually knocked out after kirin hit meaning if he had mokuton going by your logic his grip would have loosened making Kirin and Hirudora equal so i dont see how this helps your case.

 

[ARGUS]

Most destructive - AT
Biggest explosion/impact - AT
Fastest traveling speed - Kirin
Fastest jutsu execution speed (includes prep) - AT
Hardest for opponent to evade - Kirin
Hardest for opponent to tank - FRS
Overall strongest - AT

 

[KidGamer65]

Since when can edo be knockout?

I mean had his body destroyed.

What???????? leveling the hideout is a contestment of its power how does size play any factor and destroying the hideout?

Yet V3 blocked it. Lol.

Nope we can only assume it was v3 susanoo

And that is the most reasonable outcome.

that was used nb4 (Totsuka and yata mirror automatically comes out with 4 susanoo) not true itachi used Totsuka with his ribcage susanoo

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meaning there optional but lets go by what your saying for a minute.

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They look nothing like.

You claimed Hirudora was stronger? and that it destroyed his v3 knocking him out so his gripped loosened now lets say itachi was in that scenario he was actually knocked out after kirin hit meaning if he had mokuton going by your logic his grip would have loosened making Kirin and Hirudora equal so i dont see how this helps your case.

Hirudora destroyed Susanoo and did some moderate damage to Madara's body at least, hence Mokuton being weakened. Itachi took no damage to his body. He was only knocked to the ground. Hirudora is stronger.

 

[Unorthodox]

I mean had his body destroyed.

a grip being loosen does not mean his body was destroyed try again.

Yet V3 blocked it. Lol.

Proof? Also that would make for more of a reason it was not v3 that blocked it V3 is durability is clocked out at around Hirudora & Rasenshuriken level we've seen the destructive capabilities kirin by far outmatches what they have shown.

And that is the most reasonable outcome.

No its not danzo wind was able to open up a v3 susanoo's back when its no where near comparable to kirin that outcome is just the best way to help your cause.

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They look nothing like.

Its really hard to tell in that scan but ill concede to that because that does look like a straight blade totsuka usually as water like things coming off of it i was bamboozled by the anime

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Hirudora destroyed Susanoo and did some moderate damage to Madara's body at least, hence Mokuton being weakened. Itachi took no damage to his body. He was only knocked to the ground. Hirudora is stronger.

Itachi was knocked out briefly and didnt i tell you hideout took away from the full impact. The bold is purely your opinion which you try to pass off as fact majority of the time.

 

[KidGamer65]

a grip being loosen does not mean his body was destroyed try again.

Actually it does. The only reason he'd lose control of something he's maintaining, is if he was put in a condition where he can't maintain it.

Proof? Also that would make for more of a reason it was not v3 that blocked it V3 is durability is clocked out at around Hirudora & Rasenshuriken level we've seen the destructive capabilities kirin by far outmatches what they have shown.

Except it doesn't. That's just you basing it off size, when that's a flawed approach. I already told you. If it were V4, Yata would have been smashed and there's no reason a shield that was smashed a chapter ago would be hyped to be unbreakable. If it were any lower than V2, your argument fails on the spot.

No its not danzo wind was able to open up a v3 susanoo's back when its no where near comparable to kirin that outcome is just the best way to help your cause.

Irrelevant. The damage Danzo did to Susanoo was nowhere near the damage Kirin did. So why would Danzo damaging V3 invalidate it taking Kirin?

This outcome has evidence behind it. You have zero evidence behind it nor have you even made a proper claim on the matter, so your arguments don't even deserve to be taken seriously.

Itachi was knocked out briefly

I know. Hurts your cause, not mine. Did he take any significant damage? No, he didn't. End of story.

and didnt i tell you hideout took away from the full impact.

No, it didn't. That doesn't even make sense since Itachi took it head on. The hideout was smashed as a result of the explosion.

The bold is purely your opinion which you try to pass off as fact majority of the time.

These are only the words of a child who complains every time he gets cornered in an argument. It's getting pretty sad. Cut the act.

 

[Strict]

Fact is, we didn't see Hirudora destroying Susanoo. All we have to make a conclusion is, that the binding of Mokuton became weaker. This is no evidence at all. It's clear that Kirin is the winner; a mountain busting flash that indeed broke Susanoo. As long as there is no evidence that Hirudora actually broke Susanoo, it didn't break it, period.

At this point, Kishimoto would have shown an evidence. Like against the Bijuus, who broke Susanoo with their tails as we saw a piece of Susanoo's sword flying away and Madara losing an arm.

I think that this debate is pretty useless and you, KidGamer, are wrong, cuz at the bottom line, you have no scan to back up your claim of Hirudora actually destroying the Susanoo construct.

 

[KidGamer65]

Fact is, we didn't see Hirudora destroying Susanoo. All we have to make a conclusion is, that the binding of Mokuton became weaker. This is no evidence at all. It's clear that Kirin is the winner; a mountain busting flash that indeed broke Susanoo. As long as there is no evidence that Hirudora actually broke Susanoo, it didn't break it, period.

At this point, Kishimoto would have shown an evidence. Like against the Bijuus, who broke Susanoo with their tails as we saw a piece of Susanoo's sword flying away and Madara losing an arm.

I think that this debate is pretty useless and you, KidGamer, are wrong, cuz at the bottom line, you have no scan to back up your claim of Hirudora actually destroying the Susanoo construct.

Debating this with you is useless because at the end of the day all you can do is talk about how there is no panel of Susanoo being destroyed. No panel doesn't mean jack when there is evidence it was destroyed. When presented with evidence that Madara was injured in some way, which would be him being unable to maintain his Mokuton, you ignore it and try to make BS excuses like him "being distracted". Lol. Get that nonsense out of here. If you actually had I counter argument I'd be fine, but you don't. Just denial and excuses.

What's crazy is that there is evidence. You denying it isn't going to change that no matter how many times you repeat it, and that's what your whole counter argument has become. Denial. Case in point.

 

[Strict]

The burden of proof is up to the one claiming. Show me a scan of Madara being damaged. Show me the evidence of Susanoo being destroyed. Simple as that. There is nothing else to talk about. Either you give the evidence or you get the f*ck out. That's the game. If I say the binding was weakened due to grave distraction, it's a he said she said. I don't deny that Hirudora caused some damage and even forced Susanoo to form back (which could be the case in my opinion) - what would also result in Madara being pressurized enough to cease the binding of Mokuton. This is an argument neither more or less worthy than yours, based on interpretation from insufficient evidence. You are an actually good debater but in some cases have arguments are prone to failure.

Evidence of Susanoo being destroyed is a scan showing Susanoo being destroyed. Period.

 

[KidGamer65]

The burden of proof is up to the one claiming. Show me a scan of Madara being damaged. Show me the evidence of Susanoo being destroyed. Simple as that. There is nothing else to talk about. Either you give the evidence or you get the f*ck out. That's the game. If I say the binding was weakened due to grave distraction, it's a he said she said. I don't deny that Hirudora caused some damage and even forced Susanoo to form back (which could be the case in my opinion) - what would also result in Madara being pressurized enough to cease the binding of Mokuton. This is an argument neither more or less worthy than yours, based on interpretation from insufficient evidence. You are an actually good debater but in some cases have arguments are prone to failure.

Evidence of Susanoo being destroyed is a scan showing Susanoo being destroyed. Period.

Not really. You've failed to back up that claim with any kind of logical evidence but your opinion, which I couldn't give two shits about if there is no evidence backing it up. The underlined is the perfect example. Please explain to me how Susanoo taking damage means Madara himself is pressured enough that he'd be unable to maintain his Mokuton. Doesn't even begin to make sense. I'm convinced you are just pulling random explanations out of your ass to try and hide the fact that you really have no argument. You can keep going on about how there's no scan, but it won't make your argument sound any less foolish than it already does. You go on about insufficient evidence, yet you have no reason to claim so besides the fact that there is no scan. If you are going to just repeat the same thing over and over again, I suggest you get the fuck out and stop wasting my time. Lol

Evidence of Susanoo being destroyed is anything that would point to Madara himself taking damage, as Susanoo needs to be obliterated for him to take damage. Weak ass explanations like "He was distracted" and "Susanoo taking damage=Madara losing control of Mokuton" aren't going to cut it, especially when they have no proof behind them. Period.

 

[Strict]

And why would a distraction cause Madara's binding to be broken? He was able to use Mokuton on B and Naruto w/o even focusing on both of them, so distraction can't be a factor.

This is already the moment of your mistake. Saying Madara was using Mokuton on Naruto and Bee without even focusing on both of them. I made the effort to re-read those chapters.

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, Madara confronts Kyuubi and uses the wood dragon. It's the end of the chapter. In the next chapter, we see Kyuubi struggling against the wood dragon; Madara is seen nowhere, so he probably remains in the same position.

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, you see the Hachibi right next to Kyuubi,

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and Madara then

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to focus on him,

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but being stopped by Naruto. Just a few pages later, Gai shots his Hirudora.

And now let's summarize what you said. You said, that Madara was binding both Kyuubi and Hachibi while not even paying attention to them to a point it would make no difference if Gai send him flying a few hundred meters, covering him with a huge shock wave gnawing on his Susanoo. That's what you said and I made the effort to re-read the chapter to see whether I could be wrong. And the Manga doesn't suggest I am.

Yet you are talking to me with such a disrespectful grammar, saying that the idea of Madara being distracted and pressurized by such a grave maneuver is totally illogical. If you expect someone to respect you, respect others as well.

couldn't give two shits about

you are just pulling random explanations out of your ass

it won't make your argument sound any less foolish than it already does

stop wasting my time

Weak ass explanations

 

[KidGamer65]

This is already the moment of your mistake. Saying Madara was using Mokuton on Naruto and Bee without even focusing on both of them. I made the effort to re-read those chapters.

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, Madara confronts Kyuubi and uses the wood dragon. It's the end of the chapter. In the next chapter, we see Kyuubi struggling against the wood dragon; Madara is seen nowhere, so he probably remains in the same position.

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, you see the Hachibi right next to Kyuubi,

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and Madara then

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to focus on him,

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but being stopped by Naruto. Just a few pages later, Gai shots his Hirudora.

And now let's summarize what you said. You said, that Madara was binding both Kyuubi and Hachibi while not even paying attention to them to a point it would make no difference if Gai send him flying a few hundred meters, covering him with a huge shock wave gnawing on his Susanoo. That's what you said and I made the effort to re-read the chapter to see whether I could be wrong. And the Manga doesn't suggest I am.

Yet you are talking to me with such a disrespectful grammar, saying that the idea of Madara being distracted and pressurized by such a grave maneuver is totally illogical. If you expect someone to respect you, respect others as well.

Madara confronts Kyuubi, hits him with Mokuryu, and then he leaves him to brawl with the dragon while he binds Killer B and Gai. He wasn't focused on Naruto, yet Mokuryu kept fighting. It's not an autonomous creature, so we can forget about that if that's what you were going to bring up next. Conclusion? He had his attention split between them at different parts of the match yet was able to bind them both and control both Mokutons at once. A "distraction" isn't going to cause him to drop it. Zero evidence of that on your side anyway even if you can provide conclusive evidence that he was paying all his attention to B and Naruto at the same time, at every point in the match.

You can't maintain anything, especially jutsu, when you are dead or knocked out. Thus Madara being knocked out or put in a dead state is the best explanation as to why his grip on the Mokuton loosened. Distraction is a weak explanation, and him being pressured despite his shield not being destroyed and him not taking any kind of damage whatsoever is an even worse argument than the distraction tidbit.

You don't have an argument.

-You claim Hirudora didn't bust Susanoo because it was off panel.
-You deny the Mokuton evidence in favor of your explanations that have nothing backing them.

Lol. Amazing.

Either you give the evidence or you get the f*ck out.

Lol. And you are talking to me about respecting others and "disrespectful grammar"

 

[Strict]

Nope. You said, that Madara wasn't focused on neither of them while binding them with Mokuton, while in fact he first bound Kyuubi with Mokuton and continued with Hachibi. He was focused on both of them. Though as he paid no more attention to Naruto, he managed to leave the Kyuubi avatar and stop Madara's attack via blitzing. Your sentence "He was able to use Mokuton on B and Naruto w/o even focusing on both of them" thus is false. Because he was focused on both Bijuu and actively fighting them, hence he jumped right in front of the Hachibi. And Hirudora wasn't simple distraction; as I said, it sent him flying at a great distance and keeping him at bay. That's another dimension from what you compared it to; saying that Madara was to such a point not focused on them that actually, it wouldn't matter whether he was sent flying by an attack or standing in front of them. But he clearly was focused on them. Madara was focused on the Bijuu, while Obito was focused on Kakashi. Gai was just sitting on the head of the Hachibi (already being struck); he was bound in the same move.

And I have no reason to believe that Madara really was knocked out or damaged if the only evidence for us is a Mokuton binding that became weaker. I wonder if Kishimoto even had thoughts or an idea about this matter or if he neither considered Madara to be damaged nor just distracted. Means that we debate about a matter which Kishimoto himself may not considered himself. Hence he evident about Madara's situation but left it at them getting rid of Madara.

And yeah, while I tend to sound harsh sometimes, you manage to downgrade my whole post to make it sound like I was an idiot. Lol

I also think that we should agree to disagree. Cuz if we don't agree, we will just repeat our arguments. I'm willing to say that I don't know what damage Hirudora caused. Schroedinger's Susanoo if you want; as long as it was off panel, Madara's Susanoo is both destroyed and not. The fact that we are debating about this means, that Kishimoto's evidence wasn't clear.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nope. You said, that Madara wasn't focused on neither of them while binding them with Mokuton, while in fact he first bound Kyuubi with Mokuton and continued with Hachibi. He was focused on both of them. Though as he paid no more attention to Naruto, he managed to leave the Kyuubi avatar and stop Madara's attack via blitzing. Your sentence "He was able to use Mokuton on B and Naruto w/o even focusing on both of them" thus is false. Because he was focused on both Bijuu and actively fighting them, hence he jumped right in front of the Hachibi. And Hirudora wasn't simple distraction; as I said, it sent him flying at a great distance and keeping him at bay. That's another dimension from what you compared it to; saying that Madara was to such a point not focused on them that actually, it wouldn't matter whether he was sent flying by an attack or standing in front of them. But he clearly was focused on them. Madara was focused on the Bijuu, while Obito was focused on Kakashi. Gai was just sitting on the head of the Hachibi (already being struck); he was bound in the same move.

No, I said he wasn't paying attention to one while taking out the other. I never said he was never focused on either of them. That sentence means he didn't pay attention to BOTH of them at once, not both of them at all. And once again, this is you repeating stuff I've already addressed. There was no point where he was focused on both of them at the same time. Point blank period.

And I have no reason to believe that Madara really was knocked out or damaged if the only evidence for us is a Mokuton binding that became weaker. I wonder if Kishimoto even had thoughts or an idea about this matter or if he neither considered Madara to be damaged nor just distracted. Means that we debate about a matter which Kishimoto himself may not considered himself. Hence he evident about Madara's situation but left it at them getting rid of Madara.

Based on what exactly? Lol. There is no other reason you can give, or any other reason that'd make sense, while knock out or damage is a reason why someone wouldn't be able to maintain their Ninjutsu. It's really that simple.

And yeah, while I tend to sound harsh sometimes, you manage to downgrade my whole post to make it sound like I was an idiot. Lol

I also think that we should agree to disagree. Cuz if we don't agree, we will just repeat our arguments. I'm willing to say that I don't know what damage Hirudora caused. Schroedinger's Susanoo if you want; as long as it was off panel, Madara's Susanoo is both destroyed and not. The fact that we are debating about this means, that Kishimoto's evidence wasn't clear.

Fine. We'll agree to disagree.

 

[Unorthodox]

Actually it does. The only reason he'd lose control of something he's maintaining, is if he was put in a condition where he can't maintain it.

The bold is where you wrong he did not lose control his grip loosened.

Except it doesn't. That's just you basing it off size, when that's a flawed approach. I already told you. If it were V4, Yata would have been smashed and there's no reason a shield that was smashed a chapter ago would be hyped to be unbreakable. If it were any lower than V2, your argument fails on the spot.

Size does equal power i dont know why you think im saying that what i am saying if a rasenshuriken or hirudora would hit the hideout it would look like nothing happened yet kirin turned it to paste a mountain size object. Itachi susanoo above ribcage does not automatically use yata mirror its optional so it may very well be a v4 that is your word against mine obviously im going to go with unorthodox seeing as he's the smartest baser around. Also since when does kishi care about backing things up he hyped double rinnegan Madara up to be unstoppable even for Naruto & Sasuke chapters later the defeated someone who sasuke possible thought could not exist hype means jack shit.

Irrelevant. The damage Danzo did to Susanoo was nowhere near the damage Kirin did. So why would Danzo damaging V3 invalidate it taking Kirin?

I brought up that because a v3 armor was open up by such a low level tech a mountain buster such a kirin would have killed Itachi on impact v4 susanoo was used.

This outcome has evidence behind it. You have zero evidence behind it nor have you even made a proper claim on the matter, so your arguments don't even deserve to be taken seriously

Whats your got damn evidence because i swear to god everytime i get yo duck ass all you ever say is (Cant be taken serious) Yet you keep replying if i cant be taken serious

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I know. Hurts your cause, not mine. Did he take any significant damage? No, he didn't. End of story.

Not at all 1 Madara never lost controlled thats your selective reading kicking in Killerbee said the grip loosened meaning it was not as tight

Example - if im choking you out then someone hits me in a head with a steel pan and my grip loosen then you break free does that mean i took more damage then i would have if i was hit in the head with a brick and was knockout for like 60 seconds know because if i was knockout i would not any type of grip left my whole body would got numb loosening my grip means there's still a grip its just not a tight as it was.

End result Itachi took more damage you dumb thot.

These are only the words of a child who complains every time he gets cornered in an argument. It's getting pretty sad. Cut the act.

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you always catch feeling when i fire you just stick to the debate and shut the phuck up.

 

[KidGamer65]

The bold is where you wrong he did not lose control his grip loosened

His grip loosened=Lost control. And even if it was different, the point still stands.

Size does equal power

Wrong. When comparing the same type of explosion with the same properties? Sure. If not? No. Otherwise we'd be saying that C2>FRS, even though C2 couldn't even kill Hebi Sasuke. So wrong right here.

i dont know why you think im saying that what i am saying if a rasenshuriken or hirudora would hit the hideout it would look like nothing happened yet kirin turned it to paste a mountain size object.

When it has a better feat than eradicating V3 then we can talk. I don't two flying rat's asses about what it did for the environment.

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tachi susanoo above ribcage does not automatically use yata mirror its optional so it may very well be a v4 that is your word against mine obviously im going to go with unorthodox seeing as he's the smartest baser around.

Lol, are you dumb? That is evidence+my word against yours. It's a fact that V4 Susanoo is always formed with Yata Mirror. To say

Also since when does kishi care about backing things up he hyped double rinnegan Madara up to be unstoppable even for Naruto & Sasuke chapters later the defeated someone who sasuke possible thought could not exist hype means jack shit.

Whether Kishimoto cares about backing shit up doesn't mean shit. If he drew a shield being smashed, he wouldn't have said that it were invincible, regardless of that being true, the chapter later. Madara being unstoppable isn't even the same case, but I can't expect you have all people to figure that out. If Double Rinnegan Madara had been defeated, then nobody would've said that he was invincible. That's just plain common sense.

I brought up that because a v3 armor was open up by such a low level tech a mountain buster such a kirin would have killed Itachi on impact v4 susanoo was used.

Which is based on nothing of course.

Whats your got damn evidence because i swear to god everytime i get yo duck ass all you ever say is (Cant be taken serious) Yet you keep replying if i cant be taken serious

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Evidence has been presented. Stop moaning and actually counter it with something that makes sense.

Not at all 1 Madara never lost controlled thats your selective reading kicking in Killerbee said the grip loosened meaning it was not as tight

Example - if im choking you out then someone hits me in a head with a steel pan and my grip loosen then you break free does that mean i took more damage then i would have if i was hit in the head with a brick and was knockout for like 60 seconds know because if i was knockout i would not any type of grip left my whole body would got numb loosening my grip means there's still a grip its just not a tight as it was.

Lol shitty ass example. Your grip loosens because your physical body took a hit while you are using that same physical body to hold onto the pan. Madara isn't using his physical strength to use Mokuton, so hitting him isn't going to cause Mokuton to be cancelled unless he were put in a state where he can't maintain it. Dead or knocked out.

End result Itachi took more damage you dumb thot.

Not really. He took no damage. He was on the ground for a good 3-5 seconds.

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you always catch feeling when i fire you just stick to the debate and shut the phuck up.

I'm just telling you how it is. The only one catching feelings is the guy who complains every time we debate. It's like you have a secret grudge. Maybe cause everything I post is 1000x more logical than anything you could ever dream to post.

Dumbass kid. Lol