[Question] Haki and DF powers

[Punk Hazard]

Haki was covered around Luffy's body.

Haki has been yet to be shown extend off a devil fruit user.

Example: When Akoji shots Ice sabers, it doesn't get covered in Haki.
It's just an ordinary Ice sculpture.

•Vergo can't extend his Haki on to his bamboo stick without hold it.
•Pica can't cover assimilated stones that he's not touching in Haki
•Akoji's Pheasant is independent from the caster cannot be covered in Haki.

Besides those, Haki has yet to be shown covering smoker's smoke and Sabo's fire.

The only person so far is luffy, which is understandable because his devil fruit doesn't take a different form.
All it does it extend/stretch his already existing body.

But one thing I did notice is that luffy has never expanded/stretch his body after applying Haki.
He always stretch/expand first before applying Koka Haki, and there could be a possibility that this spiritual armor restricts it.

Doflamingo uses skypath (strings to attach to clouds) in the air, and we know for sure that he is not using Haki everytime he glides from one cloud to the next.

Since Smoker carries the same properties of a cloud, his strings wil get smoker without Haki seeing how sky path works.
Smoker was just an bad match up against smoker, and clouds are Doffy's strength.

The Sky Path example doesn't work. If Doffy wasn't using Haki, his strings would harmlessly pass through Smoker. Obviously, Doffy isn't trying to slash the clouds he travels on, so his Sky Path and his offensive techniques work differently.

The part about Vergo's bamboo stick not having Haki on it when it's not in contact with his hand is also a bad point. The Kuja Warriors shoot arrows laced with Haki. When the arrows are soaring through the air and hit their target, they still have the Haki laced on them despite not being in contact with the Kuja's body still, so that disproves that point.

Aokiji's Pheasant Beak didn't have Haki on it because Oda hadn't introduced Koka yet. Aokiji was using the invisible variant of Haki, the same way:
1. Marco did when he kicked Kizaru
2. The same way Whitebeard did when he injured Akainu
3. The same way Rayleigh did when he showed Haki to Luffy and dueled Kizaru
4. The same way Hancock did when she kicked Smoker
5. The same way Vista and Marco did when they slashed Akainu

Another example is Jozu using Haki and his diamond powers at the same time to injure Aokiji and Crocodile.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

No they are not very different, they share the same properties.



What does this have to do with anything I'm posting?

He covered his body in haki, not his devil fruit.



The fact that you didn't read my post proves my point.

Luffy's rubber arm is his organic tissue, where as ice, fire, magma, light, quake, and stones etc are not which further proves my point.



Devil fruit and inanimate projectiles are two different broads of the spectrum, considering that devil fruit is an element that comes from the body.

Otherwise it arises the question of blue pheasant technique not being coated in Haki.

The whole point of this thread is the use of devil fruits in conjunction with Haki, if Doffy is floating, he's using his DF at the same time as using Haki, derp

I'm out... seriously, wow.

I don't see why not. Zoro has embedded his immaterial flying slashes with Haki, so it's fully possible for people who create elements or other substances from their body to do the same. Doflamingo and Luffy have used their powers with Haki alongside them, so it's not like using Haki nullifies your DF powers.

Yeah... they think using G3 and Haki isn't an example of using both at the same time? Don't bother

 

[VongolaX]

The whole point of this thread is the use of devil fruits in conjunction with Haki, if Doffy is floating, he's using his DF at the same time as using Haki, derp

I'm out... seriously, wow.



Yeah... they think using G3 and Haki isn't an example of using both at the same time? Don't bother

Lol Derp, that's not what OP is implying.

He's trying to figure out on why each circumstances differ with others when using Haki and devil fruit.

Read next time

 

[Anduril]

Lol Derp, that's not what OP is implying.

He's trying to figure out on why each circumstances differ with others when using Haki and devil fruit.

Read next time

I think this guy seriously needs this for his ava, Genius.

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[Punk Hazard]

Lol Derp, that's not what OP is implying.

He's trying to figure out on why each circumstances differ with others when using Haki and devil fruit.

Read next time

I think this guy seriously needs this for his ava, Genius.

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But the OP said this?

can you use busoshoku haki and you df powers together?

I think Haki of armament cannot be used with the df ability

The very first post was ¨Can Haki be used with the DF ability¨; can you lace a DF ability with Haki, not ¨Why are Haki circumstances different¨ or whatever BS you're faking with now. Fujitorao has done nothing but say reasons why one could do such a thing.

 

[Kai NB]

Haki can only be used on physical things. Energy based attacks such as Fire and Lightning won't work.

Gas is a no too since we've only seen Smoker use Haki when he reforms his hands, but not on the smoke (gas) itself.

Liquid... ehhh... That's a tough one. We'll wait until we see one. I just feel like Akainu's Magma is a little more dense so it is more solid, you know?

Solids for sure can have Haki infused.

Now, most obviously, Haki can be used on the body. Luffy can use Haki in conjunction with his DF because his body is always able to be coated in Haki.

Weapons and Projectiles can be infused with Haki, though they need to be first in contact with the user. We know Smoker's Staff can be infused with Haki, but only while he grabs it. BUT WAIT! If he drops it (on accident) then the Haki is lost. If he THROWS it, as if it was a projectile, the Haki will remain, as it was intended to, just like the Kuja Pirate's arrows.

So in regards to weapons, it's all based on initial intent. But if the staff was out of reach, he can't will Haki onto it without actually touching it. Now for how long the Haki remains, I believe it will stay until the planned job is done. So if his goal was to hit someone with the Haki Staff, the Staff will continue having Haki until the it hits the target (on it's first try). If it misses, than the Haki will go away as well

Aokiji's Ice is solid, so it makes sense he can make Haki on his Ice. Same thing with him throwing projectiles of Ice. They are projectiles, and we know projectiles can be infused with Haki, though the Haki only lasts once after released.

Borsalino's Sword against Rayleigh was solid, it may have been light, but it was solid. You can actually look up solid light on Google (it's a real thing). Because it was a solid, it can be coated in Haki.

Doffy's strings... Solid... Look above. It'd be really nice to see him shoot his bullets on a Logia though. If that was shown, this answer would be clear. Maybe he'll use it on Sabo soon. But I rest that it can be coated in Haki

The Magma from Akainu... I'm gonna say that the magma was not coated, but his fist was, and the attack on Ace was a combo of Magma being the stronger of Fire (so it can touch Ace's body) and Akainu's fist was coated in Haki (so he can punch Ace's body)

Anything else I'm missing?

To make it clear
What can be coated with Haki?
Solids (Projectiles/Weapons/Bodies)

What can't be coated with Haki?
Gas and Energy

What possibly can or can't be coated with Haki?
Liquids

 

[Punk Hazard]

Haki can only be used on physical things.

I'll have to stop you there, Zoro embedded Haki into a flying slash here

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[Kai NB]

What a waste of a schpeel

Anyways, I'm wrong, disregard my previous post. Unless we argue that the flying slash is in fact tangible, it is wind, and wind can be "solid" in a sense. Wind is ambiguous. Even in the RP, it's considered either energy or a solid. It's not like it's gas or anything. Wind is just the movement of particles. I don't know

 

[Punk Hazard]

What a waste of a schpeel

Anyways, I'm wrong, disregard my previous post. Unless we argue that the flying slash is in fact tangible, it is wind, and wind can be "solid" in a sense. Wind is ambiguous. Even in the RP, it's considered either energy or a solid. It's not like it's gas or anything. Wind is just the movement of particles. I don't know

Well, everything is made of particles. Water, light, human beings, all made of particles, whether it be electrons, atoms, neutrons, etc.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

But the OP said this?


The very first post was ¨Can Haki be used with the DF ability¨; can you lace a DF ability with Haki, not ¨Why are Haki circumstances different¨ or whatever BS you're faking with now. Fujitorao has done nothing but say reasons why one could do such a thing.

Exactly! If the OP mentioned it being used on non-material things or non-solids etc. then I'd be wrong, but I'm not...

 

[Punk Hazard]

Exactly! If the OP mentioned it being used on non-material things or non-solids etc. then I'd be wrong, but I'm not...

Even then you wouldn't be since your answers(such as with Smoker) were still in line.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Even then you wouldn't be since your answers(such as with Smoker) were still in line.

Fair enough haha

And they all started slagging me off in another thread ,as they say, ignorance is bliss

 

[Anduril]

But the OP said this?


The very first post was ¨Can Haki be used with the DF ability¨; can you lace a DF ability with Haki, not ¨Why are Haki circumstances different¨ or whatever BS you're faking with now. Fujitorao has done nothing but say reasons why one could do such a thing.

And the OP continued in the discussion ahead, if you bother to read that is,

Even Luffy has only been coating Haki to those areas of his body that are not stretched most of the times, but his Elephant gun falls under a gray area, but many paramecia users have show Haki use.

We have another derp.

 

[Punk Hazard]

And the OP continued in the discussion ahead, if you bother to read that is,



We have another derp.

1. That's incorrect. All Gear 3+Koka combos have Luffy stretching and using Haki on stretched areas. His hand being inflated is a form of stretching, is it not?

2. His posts still fall within the context of your thread. Stop being so confrontational. Maybe instead of insulting people and being so against everything, accept the valid points that were brought up. You made this thread to get the answer to your question, so still insulting and antagonizing people who give them to you.

 

[Anduril]

1. That's incorrect. All Gear 3+Koka combos have Luffy stretching and using Haki on stretched areas. His hand being inflated is a form of stretching, is it not?

Yes and that's why I said Elephant gun falls in a gray zone, which means I am wrong in that particular instance and don't quite understand why.

2. His posts still fall within the context of your thread. Stop being so confrontational. Maybe instead of insulting people and being so against everything, accept the valid points that were brought up. You made this thread to get the answer to your question, so still insulting and antagonizing people who give them to you.

And I had already accepted it when I said, many paramecia users have shown Haki use. (In the same quoted post) And I merely requested something else.
And you are telling me, I am confrontational? Do you even know the meaning of that word?