[Discussion] Dragon ball z sucks now
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DBZ is a pretty crappy manga by today's standards, but it was entertaining and definitely iconic.
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Yet it's still massively popular despite ending 16 years ago.Not many manga or anime series today can claim the same.
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That'll happen when you keep on milking the series. Super Saiyan Super Saiyan God? Really?
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And your point? Toei is still a massive fail of a studio. They realized how badly paced and the amount of filler content they had with DBZ that they're releasing DBZ Kai. Toei's animation/art quality & adaptations in general is piss poor by today's standard.
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And whats your point, alot of other anime have filler as well, take Naruto Shippuuden it has around 375-400 episodes but how many are actual canon. Its just a way to prolong the series!!!! So how can you call Toei a massive fail when DBZ is still making them money, isn't the goal to make money?
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Elaborate... exactly how is the biggest and the most successful anime studio is considered as a massive failure ?
their adaptation quality is not considered poor by today's standard if anything its by your standard which is laughable because considering that your opinion contradict their impressive result for the past years. (heck their entire history is filled with glory)
Leave success out of it. I'm talking about the quality of their adaptations. I never implied that they weren't successful, they are a massive fail of a studio when it comes to adapting an anime series. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that they're successful but it's nothing that special since recently they can release poor quality episodes of OP and still make it to the top 10 ratings due to OP's popularity. A lazy and cheap studio. Of course you wouldn't understand since you seem to think that success = top quality. Their adaptation quality is quite bad and arguably the worst one is Toriko. Toei knew they couldn't adapt the series correctly so they had the series with crossovers with OP/DBZ to get it's popularity going and air it next to One Piece. inb4 you say the Toriko adaptation is good because the Japanese loved it. Also, why do you think the last studio people think of animating their fav. series is Toei?
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Why should we leave their successful streak out of it ? because its convenience for you ? before running your mouth again let me ask you this, its quite simple really...
if their adaptation quality is sucks like you said then they wouldn't be able to become the biggest anime studio in Japan in the 1st place,so... exactly how is this lazy and cheap studio manage to land a series like Dragon Ball/Digimon/Sailor Moon/One Piece ? as far as i know all this mangaka have the right to revoke TOEI license to animate their series and yet none of them does that, in a way... Oda approve TOEI, you don't approve ? who are you ? LOL
Because I never once mentioned that they weren't successful? It's not my fault you lack basic reading comprehension. Of course they wouldn't revoke it since an anime adaptation brings them money, much like with any other studio. Like I said before, leave money/success out of this since it's quite clear that I wasn't talking about it. I'm talking that Toei has poor adaptations of series and can't get it right. It's funny how you mention Digimon, didn't the new anime for that get delayed? Well, I'm not surprised and I bet the quality won't be that great either.
The recent poor animation quality of OP can be found easily by just watching some of the recent episodes or if you're lazy just do some quick google image searches. Even animation/art aside, there's censorship and a piss poor pacing issue that ruins epic moments that occur in the manga. Toriko anime is another fail adaptation (prob. the worst I've seen) since they wouldn't even get the demographic of the series correctly and altered a lot of moments that appeared in the manga. I haven't read DBZ before so I can't talk that much but the fact that they're releasing a faster paced version of the series shows that the adaptation of the series was quite bad.
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Toei has poor adaptations of series and can't get it right ? then why they make more money than everyone else ?
A bad anime adaption will never be successful no matter how popular the manga is, as proven by Madhouse with their HXH movies project ( Naruto Road to ninja make more money than this 2 joke movie combined )along with Mahouka( one of the best selling light novel ) anime adaption,
You can't leave out their success because that is the ultimate goal of every anime company, not to pleased you or another pretentious snob out there, someone capable approve their work and they deliver is just that simple,
Ah by the way i don't really follow Digimon or obsessed with anime studio in general like you LOL, but i make quick search and TOEI only said that the series will air in the spring season, they never announced an exact date let alone a PV, but a few days ago they finally did, the 6th of may will be the day and that is still spring.
BECAUSE ITS A REMAKE LOL, the same reason why madhouse blitz through the content when animating hxh, they have the luxury of content to animated, why bother slowing it down ? the original Dragon Ball anime is filled with filler after they finish an arc, but with Kai cause its a remake they don't have to worry about the anime catching up with the manga because the manga is done.
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Making money =/= Quality
It seems like you're really relying on this factor to suggest that they produce good anime adaptations. Yes, it does. Toei knows that One Piece will get a lot of views no matter how bad the quality is because of the popularity of One Piece. They refuse to go on filler arcs because they know it won't get them high ratings/views if they were to do so. That's why we get these terribly adapted episodes mixed in with filler. Can you honestly say to yourself that's a good adaptation to the One Piece? I don't think so but seeing how much you adore Toei you may not be able to accept that.
Oh god. Am I saying that it isn't the goal of all companies out there? No. Just because a company is doing well in terms of revenue/profits, doesn't necessarily mean that it produces the best quality. One Piece has so much advertising and promotion everywhere that it's pretty difficult not to reach the top 10 anime rankings weekly. My point still stands with the OP anime. It has poor animation/art, terrible pacing and censorship from time to time. Then, Toriko is just a poor adaptation in general. I'm still actually waiting for you to refute any of my points btw LMAO (which you can't). Seems like you're avoiding most of my points by just telling me how well the anime is doing just because it earns a lot of money.
I doubt the digimon PV is going to be anything that amazing. Toei in general usually targets an audience that's meant for everyone to watch and they air the anime at the best time possible to ensure a high rating. I can't fault them for it since it's better for the longevity of the company but that doesn't add up for their "successful" anime adaptations being good adaptations. Much like how the original spiderman trilogy did well in terms of sales but it wasn't a good adaptation of the original source material. Whereas other studios like Madhouse have animes that aren't meant for an audience of all ages which obviously hurts their earning potential but they are still good - amazing adaptations of the original source material.
And? LOL. Everyone knows it's a "remake" but that just shows how poor/bad the adaptation is that they have to remake their own anime series. All Toei is doing mainly is just cutting out the filler and some minor stuff here and there. Toei just milks DBZ for all it's worth now. HxH actually needed a remake in the first place.
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Quality makes money,
Then why madhouse didn't make the same result despite adapting a movie based on highly rated shounen manga ?
they refuse to go on a filler arc because this still work, if it ain't broke don't fix it, this terribly adapted episode only comes from overseas fans and like i always said they don't care about that, because we are the least of their
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As a whole ? Yes, I've been watching the anime since i was in elementary school, and in general they have done a brilliant job in adapting the series, some bad episodes doesn't make it suck as a whole vice versa,
you never said that.. neither am i accused you of stating that, am just mentioning the obvious, so what the heck ?
and are you aware who is the one who did that advertising and promotion ? TOEI did, through their sponsor and connection they did all that to promote their series, its their effort that make the series grows so much,
OP anime has poor animation/art, terrible pacing and censorship from time to time ? that is your point ? more like your opinion, others might say One Piece have a good animation and art, but does that change anything ? nope..
why ? because its opinionated, but numbers don't lie and you know that, that's why you keep avoiding my question, and keep on pressing your opinion,
well we're not talking about your opinion/personal preference/grudge/discontent,
nope.. not at all we're talking about your statement where you said Dragon Ball anime sucks because TOEI cant do anything right and yet they still managed to make the anime adaptations like Dragon Ball know through the world and cemented the anime franchise in the western world, surely the fact that they're capable of achieving that is something exceptional and to called them cant do anything right.. is quite frankly stupid,
Digimon is kids anime, it has always been like that, and why would you compared a live action movie to a manga TV anime adaptation ? live action adaption of a book/comic book/manga has always been different to the source material,
Nope its doesn't hurt their earning potential, why do you think its like that ? Madhouse is not stupid, am expecting that as their wanker you should realize by now that Madhouse has their own marketing strategy, they are the one shot two kill type of studios, they're not willing to risk losing money doing the unusual things like TOEI and other studio did, they pick their anime cunningly one after another and measure how much money can they make from it, i guess you haven't seen much of their anime adaptation,
If Madhouse is really as noble as you think they are they would have pick up Toriko and continue the Black Lagoon anime, and gambled their way out of it.
You really don't get it do you ? they don't want to make a re-make Dragon Ball Kai BD/DVD sales is poor they better off selling the figurine and merchandise, but since Toriyama wanted to make another Dragon Ball movie, they have to revive the series for advertising and promotion sake, and the result is fantastic Dragon ball Battle of gods only lose to One Piece Movie Z in term of sales,
IMO HXH dont need a remake what they need is continuation, but since madhouse can't milk the series that way, that's why a re-make is necessary to make it their own series.
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Not necessarily true but hey I guess by your logic Justin Bieber produces quality music.
Um, I really don't care about sales since that's the least of my concern when I'm judging a series. Movies are rarely ever canon, so what's your point? Besides, two of the OP's movies, Oda had some sort of involvement with them. Well the reasoning behind these terribly adapted episodes are far more logical than your reasoning which seem to tie with high ratings/sales. LMAO
No, they refuse to go on a filler arc because Toei knows that the anime would drop in ratings and they would have to put more effort into making "quality" episodes. It's all milking and Toei does it all they.
Then it seems like you got a nostalgia bias towards it since you're denying most of the stuff I'm saying which is factual.
Is it my opinion that the OP anime is a poor/bad adaptation of the OP manga? Yes. Is it my opinion that the OP anime has bad/animation as of recently? No but you really need to tell me how it's good. Is it my opinion that the OP anime censors scenes and has terrible pacing? Nope. The pacing ruins iconic moments of the manga most of the time.
Well the whole pacing issue applies to DBZ as well. Sure it may have not been as bad OP's pacing but the fact that Toei is trimming down the old DBZ episodes reinforces my point even further of it being bad. Of course you wouldn't think of the pacing being bad back then since you were a kid but if you actually look back at some of the episodes it's pretty bad. Heck, there's even memes about how bad the pacing was for DBZ (long charge up times, a lot of stare offs, etc. etc.).
To show that high sales doesn't necessarily equate to the series being a good adaption or quality. It wasn't meant to be taken so literal but rather for you to get the concept but if you want an anime example, then refer to Toriko. It ranked quite high and surely made money for Toei but it was a terrible adaptation with a pathetic anime only ending on top of that.
It does. It seems like you don't understand simple business tactics. If your audience is that for all ages, you are more likely to have higher profit numbers as oppose to your audience being targeted only for a mature audience or a specific audience. Of course Madhouse will be quite picky with their anime adaptations because they invest quite a large budget towards the series they animate. Not to mention, I'd imagine they invest a lot more time than Toei does with their animes, seeing how detailed their art looks at times.
I'm sure they would if Toei had dropped the series for good or at least some other studio would of picked it up. Speaking of Toriko, Ufotable's OVA of Toriko was a much better adaptation of Toei's adaption of the Toriko anime as a whole. It captured everything about the series and had the blood/gore. It was just an OVA at that, not an actual anime TV series, so you can only imagine how much better it'd be if it was an anime.
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That is also opinionated, there are people who likes it and there people who don't,
Well sadly again we're not here to talk about your "care" because your "care" have nothing to do with it, but anime studio care so its really doesn't matter if you care or not,
Oda make the storyline for Strong World and in Z Oda design the character, to my surprise Z actually make more money and rated better by most despite Oda having less involvement,
The difference between you and me is that you want to push your opinion while am not because i happen to realize that neither of our opinion matters and we're not talking about that anyway,
they've done tons of filler in the past for one piece and everything went just fine, now they're formulating a new way to avoid filler and its also works,
Nostalgia bias ? i don't dwell in that nonsensical crap, what is factual about your statement ? its an opinion if anything the one that is factual is sales and rating,
Yes its really all just your opinion, pacing has always been a problem to most people but not me, cause i know how Oda build up his story line, anime pacing is even slower but there is fine reason for that, if you know how many people needed to make an anime and how hard they work for it then you wouldn't be saying all this, 12/26 episode is easy but for a long running series like one piece they must have undergo tons of staff change through the years director,key animator,production staff,episode director etc, to begin with its impossible but they did it anyway,
Nope it doesn't reinforce your point at all, as i said KAI is for advertising purposes, completely re making the series like sailor moon is crazy because they will need people to work for that and TOEI already have tons of anime running on TV already, and there is a big chance that it wont generate profit at all,
Nah it only shows that some comic booknerds didn't like it all while millions of other people think otherwise, again opinionated,
Only the overseas fans think Toriko anime is bad, and frankly the manga is not that good to begin with,
No its not, why ? because madhouse is well aware that they're adapting a series that is not directed to audience for all ages, they chose their own field and reap what they sow, its all to be expected, that's why i said they're not stupid, they are more into the "sure money" series than risking their neck for it
Am sure if Madhouse did everything in their resources and connection they can have toei dropped the series or at least let them work together, anime studio collaborating in making an anime is nothing new, heck madhouse collaborate with Prodcution IG to make Diamond No Ace anime,
Why do you think ufotable ended up dropping toriko ? because they're not capable of animating it in the long run, sure they can take a break once in a while and comeback when they feel like it, but Toriko is too big of a burden for ufotable they don't have resources,connection and staff to invest their time in working for the anime in the long run,
Ufotable is that kind of studio.