Gaara vs Yamata-no-Orochi

[HiddenSound]

I never got a response in the other thread. Does non-Jinchuriki Gaara have some sort of counter to Orochimaru's Hydra Mode?

 

[Beans2]

He seals it away.

 

[Tobiramas]

He seals it away.

He can't do that without shukaku

 

[Beans2]

He can't do that without shukaku

Okay, then tell me how did Gaara seal away the mizukage?

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

He can't do that without shukaku

Yes because he sealed Edo Shinobi with Shukakus help XD

 

[Tobiramas]

It's his sealing squad who were sealing edos. Besides the seal from the sealing squad is smaller and weaker than Shukaku's, so it probably won't work on Orochi either

 

[HiddenSound]

He seals it away.

Scan.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Why would Orochimaru even use this against an aerial based fighter though..? He can't really harm Gaara with it; and I'm sure it takes way more chakra to maintain then Gaaras sand cloud.

 

[HiddenSound]

Why would Orochimaru even use this against an aerial based fighter though..? He can't really harm Gaara with it; and I'm sure it takes way more chakra to maintain then Gaaras sand cloud.

Hypotheticals. And I didn't realize Orochimaru had to maintain the Jutsu at all. Proof of this?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

One could assume it's akin to Orochimaru and Kabuto's snake transformations, where they get rid of their legs. It's probably not a purely biological move. Doesn't help the fact that the snake heads removed by Itachi disappeared like a jutsu would, when there isn't a caster to keep it going.

Don't honestly see what Orochimaru can do to Gaara. Dude has durable sand, is faster, and the only real argument that can be made for Orochimaru is that he's very resilient in this form. But, he's got little to no offensive abilities. He's a slower manda, essentially.

 

[HiddenSound]

One could assume it's akin to Orochimaru and Kabuto's snake transformations, where they get rid of their legs. It's probably not a purely biological move. Doesn't help the fact that the snake heads removed by Itachi disappeared like a jutsu would, when there isn't a caster to keep it going.

Don't honestly see what Orochimaru can do to Gaara. Dude has durable sand, is faster, and the only real argument that can be made for Orochimaru is that he's very resilient in this form. But, he's got little to no offensive abilities. He's a slower manda, essentially.

I figured it was part of the Jutsu ending. It *is* a Jutsu, not arguing that, but I don't see any reason to believe Orochimaru would have to use Chakra to keep the form up. I figured it was some sort of mix of, as you said, a biological transformation and a Summoning Jutsu.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I figured it was part of the Jutsu ending. It *is* a Jutsu, not arguing that, but I don't see any reason to believe Orochimaru would have to use Chakra to keep the form up. I figured it was some sort of mix of, as you said, a biological transformation and a Summoning Jutsu.

Don't see why it'd be a summoning jutsu, Orochimaru literally turns into it. He'd have to keep chakra up, unless he reverts to his base form.

 

[HiddenSound]

Don't see why it'd be a summoning jutsu, Orochimaru literally turns into it. He'd have to keep chakra up, unless he reverts to his base form.

Because, to my knowledge, the only time something poofs away like that is when it's the product of a Summoning Jutsu. But as I said, a mixture of some sort of Summoning and his own transformstion.
Why would he have to keep his Chakra up? Still not seeing a satisfying answer..

 

[EliteKakashi]

Don't honestly see what Orochimaru can do to Gaara. Dude has durable sand, is faster, and the only real argument that can be made for Orochimaru is that he's very resilient in this form. But, he's got little to no offensive abilities. He's a slower manda, essentially.

SHHHHHHHHHHH

Don't say that around these parts.

You'll get people arguing that just because we haven't seen anything doesn't mean it can't do a bunch of awesome stuff.

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Gaara, like most high level shinobi vs this massively featless snake creature wins without too much difficulty. Kusanagi is the only issue here and that's taken care of with sand defenses. The lack of any speed feats from this creature also allows Gaara to pretty easily crush each head with sand as well.

 

[Nattana]

Don't see why it'd be a summoning jutsu, Orochimaru literally turns into it. He'd have to keep chakra up, unless he reverts to his base form.

Databook confirms that 8Branches uses White Snake's regeneration powers as a vehicle. And we know that it's a passive trait Orochimaru obtained after turning himself into a White Snake. Not to mention that we've seen white snakes escape the Totsuka sealing, meaning that 8Branches were created out of Oro's own white snakes. On the other hand it's classified as a transformation.

All we can be sure of is that it's not a pure chakra-based jutsu.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Hypotheticals. And I didn't realize Orochimaru had to maintain the Jutsu at all. Proof of this?

I mean... It's classified as Ninjutsu in the third databook. So I'd assume it requires chakra to maintain like any other jutsu or transformation. It's not a type of summoning, which requires a single use of chakra.

Hypothetically, I don't think Gaara has anything in his arsenal to put it down. IIRC, Joki Boi and Madaras v3 susano'o busted through his sand pyramid sealing with relative ease... So I don't see any of Gaaras methods of sealing working against something this colossal and strong. Possibly a large scale sand burial might work, as I don't believe the 8 branches is agile enough to avoid it. Gaaras best bet is to just levitate far out of it's range and outlast.

 

[HiddenSound]

I think I have to clarify. I disn't want a "Gaara vs Hydra" so much as a "how exactly does Gaara defeat Hydra". Probably my bad.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Because, to my knowledge, the only time something poofs away like that is when it's the product of a Summoning Jutsu. But as I said, a mixture of some sort of Summoning and his own transformstion.
Why would he have to keep his Chakra up? Still not seeing a satisfying answer..

Because it's a transformation technique. Why would he be able to wander around in the form permenantly? There's no chakra upkeep to that, at all? Doubtful it's a summoning technique, again, it's Orochimaru turning into the snake. Don't we even see it literally coming out of Sasuke?

 

[EliteKakashi]

I think I have to clarify. I disn't want a "Gaara vs Hydra" so much as a "how exactly does Gaara defeat Hydra". Probably my bad.

With sand crushing the heads of the snakes.

Gaara really doesn't have many methods of defeating anyone that isn't either

A. Sand crushing something

or

B. Sand sealing something

 

[HiddenSound]

Because it's a transformation technique. Why would he be able to wander around in the form permenantly? There's no chakra upkeep to that, at all? Doubtful it's a summoning technique, again, it's Orochimaru turning into the snake. Don't we even see it literally coming out of Sasuke?

I never thought it would have a Chakra upkeep, because as you said it's a biological transformation. Same as there's no reason to think Orochimaru's True Form would require a Chakra upkeep. It's him. I have nothing to prove Summoning Jutsu is involved, but I personally think it is as that's the only way I can explain the severed heads proofing away like Kuchiyoses.

With sand crushing the heads of the snakes.

Gaara really doesn't have many methods of defeating anyone that isn't either

A. Sand crushing something

or

B. Sand sealing something

I'm skeptical in how that'd turn out.