Kakashi Has PS

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Kakashi's susanoo = Obito's chakra

No obito's chakra = no Kakashi's susanoo

simple concept.

Madara didn't do anything special that wasn't done before. Itachi had already used Susanoo without having his eyes activated.
 

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You still not answered or misslooked my Ashura/Indra situation with Naruto/Sasuke.

There is nothing about altered body, Obito chakra never altered Kakashi body or DNA.

Why Madara can used Susanoo without eyes is because he still connected to his eyes on Obito.

The proof is at my Obito, Kakashi and rin scan I post before.

You just need to connect them and understand it.

PS or normal susanoo is not about DNA but special Uchiha chakra that stored inside user brain after they awaken it.

But in this case, Obito chakra is no longer inside Kakashi body and brain after Obito left him forever. Its clear as a day unlike Ashura chakra that still reside inside his previous transmigrant Hashirama.

This is my last post to you from me. If you still cant accept it, its your problem and most of the time you are wrong.

The momment kakashi eyes changed to MS is when his DNA in the eyes changed. There is no where that say susanoo requires only a pure uchiha chakra. Chakra that channel through changed DNA is almost same since the DNA that determine the inside body chakra.
You can not simple reverse it back.
You have your own idea like i have mine, but doesnt mean if you "think it is right" and apply it on other. You have to prove it by concrete fact which i have not seen it yet. Like when i tried to show you the DNA thing, because it is the best evident.
The eyes changed to MS that mean in order to have a MS, kakashi eyes must have enough of the requirement(DNA) like other Uchiha to achieve it.
If kakashi used susanoo only without DMS in that fight then your arguement is logic, but his eyes changed and awakened susanoo. And the concept of susanoo is the manifestion of chakra (no where in the manga state that it has to be 100% pure uchiha chakra even if it does some how, the concept of DNA applies). Kakashi met enough requirement to awaken his susano through his changed eyes - MS. The only thing left is how he is gonna pull out enough of chakra to perform PS. I think his best is ribs and hands, since he is not so young now.
 

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The momment kakashi eyes changed to MS is when his DNA in the eyes changed. There is no where that say susanoo requires only a pure uchiha chakra. Chakra that channel through changed DNA is almost same since the DNA that determine the inside body chakra.
You can not simple reverse it back.
You have your own idea like i have mine, but doesnt mean if you "think it is right" and apply it on other. You have to prove it by concrete fact which i have not seen it yet. Like when i tried to show you the DNA thing, because it is the best evident.
The eyes changed to MS that mean in order to have a MS, kakashi eyes must have enough of the requirement(DNA) like other Uchiha to achieve it.
If kakashi used susanoo only without DMS in that fight then your arguement is logic, but his eyes changed and awakened susanoo. And the concept of susanoo is the manifestion of chakra (no where in the manga state that it has to be 100% pure uchiha chakra even if it does some how, the concept of DNA applies). Kakashi met enough requirement to awaken his susano through his changed eyes - MS. The only thing left is how he is gonna pull out enough of chakra to perform PS. I think his best is ribs and hands, since he is not so young now.

No, his eye change because Obito chakra take over his body.

You still not answering my point on Ashura/Indra and Naruto/Sasuke.

Your logic is flaw because in NV, what is matter is chakra not DNA. Hashirama DNA can gave you Ashura chakra because he is transmigrant of Ashura. Same as Indra and Madara or Sasuke.

Obito chakra or Ashura and Indra chakra never altered their incarnations or host DNA, their incarnation or host DNA is still the same.

If you got half Hashirama cells body like Obito, here is where DNA comes into picture. Chakra will not do that.

DNA not determined chakra, my friend. Chakra and DNA are separated. You gained new power in NV is because chakra of the users is present inside his DNA. Itachi's MS in Sasuke's eyes, Izuna's MS inside Madara's eyes, Shisui's MS on Danzo is similar. Each of those eyes contained users chakra.

Kakashi not need any DNA changes but what he need is Obito chakra from Sharingan to assimilated with his own chakra. Inside Kakashi body or DNA contained Obito chakra.

Inside chakra, there was present all user powers.

DNA just carried Bloodline specialty like KKG( Sharingan, Bones etc), clan origin, abnormalities, parent behaviour, parent physical trait etc

As I said before Kakashi never got any physical transplant from Obito after Madara took his eye but spiritual transplant. Its clear that Obito himself is inside Kakashi's body not just an eyes.

Its like God gave you power and God take back all that power after that and what is left is just your normal self. Same as Obito and Kakashi case. The prinsipal is similar.
 
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No, his eye change because Obito chakra take over his body.

You still not answering my point on Ashura/Indra and Naruto/Sasuke.

Your logic is flaw because in NV, what is matter is chakra not DNA. Hashirama DNA can gave you Ashura chakra because he is transmigrant of Ashura. Same as Indra and Madara or Sasuke.

Obito chakra or Ashura and Indra chakra never altered their incarnations or host DNA, their incarnation or host DNA is still the same.

If you got half Hashirama cells body like Obito, here is where DNA comes into picture. Chakra will not do that.

DNA not determined chakra, my friend. Chakra and DNA are separated. You gained new power in NV is because chakra of the users is present inside his DNA. Itachi's MS in Sasuke's eyes, Izuna's MS inside Madara's eyes, Shisui's MS on Danzo is similar. Each of those eyes contained users chakra.

Kakashi not need any DNA changes but what he need is Obito chakra from Sharingan to assimilated with his own chakra. Inside Kakashi body or DNA contained Obito chakra.

Inside chakra, there was present all user powers.

DNA just carried Bloodline specialty like KKG( Sharingan, Bones etc), clan origin, abnormalities, parent behaviour, parent physical trait etc

As I said before Kakashi never got any physical transplant from Obito after Madara took his eye but spiritual transplant. Its clear that Obito himself is inside Kakashi's body not just an eyes.

Its like God gave you power and God take back all that power after that and what is left is just your normal self. Same as Obito and Kakashi case. The prinsipal is similar.

you cannot use your own theory that base on no manga statement to apply to the rules of NV.
There is absolutely no scan saying DNA not determine the outcome of inner body chakra. DNA is the contruction of the body, every cell is made of DNA....
Unless kishi makes an statement about that. If not, then the rules of science apply to all possibility that has not tainted by kishi rules. Like if he say 1+1=3 then the rules of NV is 1+1=3, if he makes no statement then it will be 1+1=2

In NV there is rules about spirit world, but we dont know yet if spirit from spirit world will ever reincarnate or not. But we do know that there are spirits that still linger on the surface (rin, kakashi father) and spirit that got summoned via Edo.
So there is possibility that indra and ashura spirit still linger on the surface after their death.
Kakashi is the son of whitefang so the possibility here is their contruction of chakra is similiar. That is why when kakashi died, he met his father at one place, another possibility is that the place they met is within kakashi unconcious mind. So this possibility mean the linger soul is drawn to the body that shared the similiar contruction of chakra / or it can be the chakra/spirit is drawn to where they can connect with /or the spirit that died next to some body and part of their chakra/spirit mixed with the host / or it can be the spirit chooses their destiny.

There are many possibility and all of it can happens if Kishi set up a specific rule for it. Your arguement is not 100% right, so does mine, but part of it is right since there is no rule to strike out that possibility. This is why i always apply the basic logic of science(part of it ofc, not 100%).
 

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Thinking it out rather well (logic and Manga facts) and making it clear that it may not be true (fair minded & NOT starting a troll thread or being a troll) in addition to your sig (mostly the sig) I'd say +rep. I still think Madara using Susano'o was a troll move on Kishi's part (let's be fair--he backed Madara into a corner).

the chakra for Susanoo is located in the brain of an Uchiha, and unlocked ("rarely") among awakening DMS
 
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