[Discussion] zoro vs sanji(curious about how big the gap is in your own personal opinion)

[Hexuze]

Zoro in all scenarios, the only time where they were seen as equals was during Enies Lobby. Other than that, the gap is small, yes even now the gap is small.

 

[Kamui Sama]

From what we have seen post-TS Zoro seems closer to Luffy's level than he does to Sanji. Agreed with most ppl though, Zoro high-diffs all the scenarios

 

[A v i]

Zoro in all scenarios, the only time where they were seen as equals was during Enies Lobby. Other than that, the gap is small, yes even now the gap is small.

They were not equal even at EL. The gap was significant b/w Sanji and Zoro as well as their respective opponents.

 

[Hexuze]

They were not equal even at EL. The gap was significant b/w Sanji and Zoro as well as their respective opponents.

Nope. How was the gap significant?

 

[A v i]

Nope. How was the gap significant?

You think they seems to be equal because their opponents looks equally strong but it was wrong. Kaku was slightly above Jabra as a hand to hand combat user but his main fighting style is swordsmanship so Kaku with swords > Kaku without swords slightly > Jabra.

Kaku has swordsmanship+ Hand to hand combat + DF+ His six skills where as Jabra has hand to hand combat + DF + His six skills. Even though he has more experience than Kaku, Jabra didn't display any extraordinary feats with his DF than Kaku so the powers they gain from their respective fruits are even and Kaku still has upper hand with his swordsmanship. All of this hints that he was significantly above Jabra. Kaku can beat Jabra with same dif as Sanji.

You can observe the difference during their fights , Sanji was easily beating him where as Kaku gave hard time to Zoro until the very end.

 

[SanjiZoroLuffy]

You think they seems to be equal because their opponents looks equally strong but it was wrong. Kaku was slightly above Jabra as a hand to hand combat user but his main fighting style is swordsmanship so Kaku with swords > Kaku without swords slightly > Jabra.

Kaku has swordsmanship+ Hand to hand combat + DF+ His six skills where as Jabra has hand to hand combat + DF + His six skills. Even though he has more experience than Kaku, Jabra didn't display any extraordinary feats with his DF than Kaku so the powers they gain from their respective fruits are even and Kaku still has upper hand with his swordsmanship. All of this hints that he was significantly above Jabra. Kaku can beat Jabra with same dif as Sanji.

You can observe the difference during their fights , Sanji was easily beating him where as Kaku gave hard time to Zoro until the very end.

you can make up reasons all you want but there points were only 20 off and oda wrote that so u can try to say ur reasoning is right but it is not.

 

[Love Cook]

You think they seems to be equal because their opponents looks equally strong but it was wrong. Kaku was slightly above Jabra as a hand to hand combat user but his main fighting style is swordsmanship so Kaku with swords > Kaku without swords slightly > Jabra.

Kaku has swordsmanship+ Hand to hand combat + DF+ His six skills where as Jabra has hand to hand combat + DF + His six skills. Even though he has more experience than Kaku, Jabra didn't display any extraordinary feats with his DF than Kaku so the powers they gain from their respective fruits are even and Kaku still has upper hand with his swordsmanship. All of this hints that he was significantly above Jabra. Kaku can beat Jabra with same dif as Sanji.

You can observe the difference during their fights , Sanji was easily beating him where as Kaku gave hard time to Zoro until the very end.

That's bullshit

Kaku might be a sword user but Jyabura was a martial artist. And if sword techniques aren't measured in doroki then so are Jyabura's techniques.

For instance Jyabura was the only one who could use tekkai while moving, Kaku had to sit down and Zoro could just unleash on him without putting a scratch on him. Sanji was able to break tekkai a few times before DJ.

You're looking too much into it, Doroki was just a quick powerlevel Oda made to show how close the gap was between all the crew members and especially Luffy, Zoro and Sanji.

Zoan fruits enhance all physical traits like speed and strength, so that's more than enough for a hand to hand fighter, besides he had some tricks that were wolf related, it's just you who can't remember them because otherwise your argument doesnt'make any sense

 

[A v i]

Kaku might be a sword user but Jyabura was a martial artist. And if sword techniques aren't measured in doroki then so are Jyabura's techniques.

Kicks and punches comes under the department of martial arts so Jabra can produce maximum out put with his punch/kick where as Kaku's true strength can't be measured from his kick so you can't decide his strength using same method. Zoro is stronger than Sanji and we all know that he can never hope to hit someone as hard as Sanji without his swords.

For instance Jyabura was the only one who could use tekkai while moving, Kaku had to sit down and Zoro could just unleash on him without putting a scratch on him. Sanji was able to break tekkai a few times before DJ.

It took Asura which is more powerful than any of Sanji's attacks back then to hope to hurt Kaku where as Sanji easily dominated Jabra which hints that Kaku's defence was actually better than Jabra's.

You're looking too much into it, Doroki was just a quick powerlevel Oda made to show how close the gap was between all the crew members and especially Luffy, Zoro and Sanji.

Not really,We can clearly observe the actual difference in their strength during their fights with their respective opponents. Sanji dominated him during their fight despite of getting beaten by Kalifa on the other hand Kaku has upper hand against Zoro until the very end.

The gap b/w Kaku and Jabra was more than what their Doriki hints.

Zoan fruits enhance all physical traits like speed and strength, so that's more than enough for a hand to hand fighter, besides he had some tricks that were wolf related, it's just you who can't remember them because otherwise your argument doesnt'make any sense

With of those tricks everything he managed to pull against weakened Sanji is to push him to mid dif or a bit more where as Kaku pushed healthy Zoro to his limits. The gap was clear if you ask me.

you can make up reasons all you want but there points were only 20 off and oda wrote that so u can try to say ur reasoning is right but it is not.

Same Oda wrote that we can't judge their actual calibre based on their Doriki so I guess I am not completely out of options.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Imo the gap had always been extremely close with Zoro just a tiny bit above Sanji therefore in all of those scenarios I think Zoro would come out on top but with extreme difficulty.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

So many people underestimate Sanji and forget Diable Jambe can melt swords

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

So many people underestimate Sanji and forget Diable Jambe can melt swords

You seem to have forgotten that Zoro can put CoA on his swords.

 

[Tomato God]

How did you come to that conclusion?

I just can't genuinely see zoro winning or sanji winning without either being put in a state so close to death that they mine as well be.
Sanji breaks necks far sturdier than zoros with his kicks and zoro cuts things in half much studier than sanji with his sword

It's like the pacafista they encountered post timeskip. If they really wanted to they could kill each other with one blow.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

You seem to have forgotten that Zoro can put CoA on his swords.

Sanji can use CoA as well? Read SBS 71, Oda confirmed it. Luffy also confirmed it when talking to Law about who could fight Caesar

 

[Anduril]

Pre-skip Zoro wins High diff. The shortest gap between zoro and sanji was during the enies lobby arc. Sanji might have pushed zoro to extreme during or immediately after that arc.

Post-skip Zoro would mid-High diff sanji.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Why do people think the gap has increased?

You can't make such a judgement yet! I bet everyone will say the Gap is the same/decreased when Sanji annihilates somebody in the next arc in a similar fashion Zoro did to Pica

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Sanji can use CoA as well? Read SBS 71, Oda confirmed it. Luffy also confirmed it when talking to Law about who could fight Caesar

Why does it matter if he has CoA? CoA is fire resistant so Sanji can't melt Zoro's swords.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Why does it matter if he has CoA? CoA is fire resistant so Sanji can't melt Zoro's swords.

No. It's not. Especially if Haki counteracts eachother on an equal level. It would mean that they neutralised eachothers Haki. It's like removing it from the picture, but if one didn't use it they'd be ****ed, know what I'm saying?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

No. It's not. Especially if Haki counteracts eachother on an equal level. It would mean that they neutralised eachothers Haki. It's like removing it from the picture, but if one didn't use it they'd be ****ed, know what I'm saying?

Yea it is, that's why Luffy can use Red Hawk. We all know Zoro has better CoA than Sanji so their CoA won't cancel out.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Yea it is, that's why Luffy can use Red Hawk. We all know Zoro has better CoA than Sanji so their CoA won't cancel out.

That's why Ace was a big shot... Because his powers were useless?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

That's why Ace was a big shot... Because his powers were useless?

I said it was resistant, not immune.