If Uchiha have eyes that can control the destiny .....

[Wabbit]

Because they were doing it all wrong, unethical way, choosing the wrong path..they were supposed to loose.

 

[V h o]

Only Indra transmigrants can awaken Rinnegan (Let me finish before you throw a hissy fit) because they are the only ones that would actually be good with it, and willing to take the chakra of an Ashura transmigrant. Also, Indra transmigrants specialize in utilizing their eyes, not the Senju/ Uzumaki ( Ashura transmigrants)

Means nothing since it's not directly theirs, and nagato (non indra descendant) did just fine and actually has more rinnegan feats than indra descendants.

 

[SatanicGod]

Means nothing since it's not directly theirs, and nagato (non indra descendant) did just fine and actually has more rinnegan feats than indra descendants.

Nagato never awakened the Rinnegan, the point of my post was to say that Indra Transmigrants have been the only ones to awaken it, and would use it better that an Ashura transmigrant. Of course Nagato did well with it, they were put in him at a very young age before he even learned anything else... So he was used to fighting using his eyes... As proven when he lashed out on Hanzo, and his training with Jiraiya

 

[V h o]

Nagato never awakened the Rinnegan, the point of my post was to say that Indra Transmigrants have been the only ones to awaken it, and would use it better that an Ashura transmigrant. Of course Nagato did well with it, they were put in him at a very young age before he even learned anything else... So he was used to fighting using his eyes... As proven when he lashed out on Hanzo, and his training with Jiraiya

Point on Nagato was that an Ashura descendent can use rinnegan well, and Nagato not awakening it yet still having excellent feats is more proof.

Give hashirama madara eyes and hashirama would awaken the rinnegan.
This whole point on Uchiha having rinnegan is moot when they require Ashura chakra to awaken it, so saying it's theirs is false.
Your point on Indra descendents using rinnegan better than a hypothetical Ashura descendent is also baseless assumption.

 

[SatanicGod]

Point on Nagato was that an Ashura descendent can use rinnegan well, and Nagato not awakening it yet still having excellent feats is more proof.

Give hashirama madara eyes and hashirama would awaken the rinnegan.
This whole point on Uchiha having rinnegan is moot when they require Ashura chakra to awaken it, so saying it's theirs is false.
Your point on Indra descendents using rinnegan better than a hypothetical Ashura descendent is also baseless assumption.

It's not really baseless, due to the fact that we know that the Ashura reincarnations use their bodily power primarily and literally have 0 experience using eye power... it's like saying that a person who normally fights using just punches and kicks, would be able to use a sword better than somebody who has been sword fighting most of his life. That's just shitty logic,

 

[Tennis Robot]

The Sharingan is "the eye that reflects the heart". In their hearts, only Itachi and Madara (the former out of love for his brother, the latter is more difficult for me to explain but it has to do with having been alive/alone for at least 100 years) were able to emotionally kill themselves in order to have the ability to 'change destiny'.

 

[V h o]

It's not really baseless, due to the fact that we know that the Ashura reincarnations use their bodily power primarily and literally have 0 experience using eye power... it's like saying that a person who normally fights using just punches and kicks, would be able to use a sword better than somebody who has been sword fighting most of his life. That's just shitty logic,

And Nagato, descendant of Ashura used rinnegan just fine despite it not being his ideal body power. Heck madara already spits on on your fanfic by easily using sage mode.

 

[SatanicGod]

And Nagato, descendant of Ashura used rinnegan just fine despite it not being his ideal body power. Heck madara already spits on on your fanfic by easily using sage mode.

1. Nagato is not an Ashura reincarnation (now THAT is fanfic)
2. Body power is easier to use than eye power, the finesse it takes to master eye power can easily be applied to body power which is basically just precise control of your own chakra and keeping the chakra stabilized.
3. As I said in post #23 "Nagato had the eyes put in him at an extremely young age" of course he used the dojutsu exceedingly well, he had the eyes his whole life AND (thanks to his Uzumaki heritage) he had the chakra to not go completely crazy from the sheer chakra of the eyes alone

Let me put it in simpler terms for you please. Let's say an Uchiha is 1
Senju/Uzumaki is 2
Body power= A
Eye Power= B

B requires a lot of chakra and chakra control to use and 1 has chakra specifically for handling B. Therefore it takes less chakra for 1 to utilize B.
2 has an abundance of chakra, but under normal circumstances, is suited for A more and uses A more. They attempt to use B instead all of a sudden, and it drains a lot more chakra from 2. But uses it the same way as 1 eventually after getting used to the feeling of a completely different kind of power.

 

[V h o]

1. Nagato is not an Ashura reincarnation (now THAT is fanfic)

Uzumaki are distant relatives to the senju which makes them descendants of Ashura. [

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2. Body power is easier to use than eye power, the finesse it takes to master eye power can easily be applied to body power which is basically just precise control of your own chakra and keeping the chakra stabilized.

Unless you got scans to back that up, it's fanfic.

3. As I said in post #23 "Nagato had the eyes put in him at an extremely young age" of course he used the dojutsu exceedingly well, he had the eyes his whole life AND (thanks to his Uzumaki heritage) he had the chakra to not go completely crazy from the sheer chakra of the eyes alone

Lol according to you ashura descendants should be bad at the rinnegan, least enough be as good as Nagato who arguably has better feats than Obito.

Let me put it in simpler terms for you please. Let's say an Uchiha is 1
Senju/Uzumaki is 2
Body power= A
Eye Power= B

B requires a lot of chakra and chakra control to use and 1 has chakra specifically for handling B. Therefore it takes less chakra for 1 to utilize B. 2 has an abundance of chakra, but under normal circumstances, is suited for A more and uses A more. They attempt to use B instead all of a sudden, and it drains a lot more chakra from 2. But uses it the same way as 1 eventually after getting used to the feeling of a completely different kind of power.

Yes Uchiha specialize in spiritual power(yin), while Senju specialize in physical power (yang) [

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]. The whole strong eyes and strong body aspect. However your argument is under the assumption that rinnegan is like a sharingan or has the properties of a sharingan, which again is false. Rinnegan is its own dojutsu, and nothing has stated that it is more spiritual (yin) based. Considering the fact that it takes a

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, which both reprents either yin and yang respectfully, then it should be obvious that rinnegan has a balance of both physical and spiritual energy which either senju or uchiha specialize in.

So still nothing is proving your point of an Indra descendant (this has nothing to do with reincarnations) being better at using the rinnegan than an Ashura descendant.

Lastly this is getting off topic, so this is my last post to you. As of yet I have seen zero evidence to prove that Indra descendants can use the rinnegan better than an Ashura descendant.

 

[SatanicGod]

Uzumaki are distant relatives to the senju which makes them descendants of Ashura. [

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]. Nagato is an Uzumaki :|

Unless you got scans to back that up, it's fanfic.


Lol according to you ashura descendants should be bad at the rinnegan, least enough be as good as Nagato who arguably has better feats than Obito.


Yes Uchiha specialize in spiritual power(yin), while Senju specialize in physical power (yang) [

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]. The whole strong eyes and strong body aspect. However your argument is under the assumption that rinnegan is like a sharingan or has the properties of a sharingan, which again is false. Rinnegan is its own dojutsu, and nothing has stated that it is more spiritual (yin) based. Considering the fact that it takes a

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, which both reprents either yin and yang respectfully, then it should be obvious that rinnegan has a balance of both physical and spiritual energy which either senju or uchiha specialize in.

So still nothing is proving your point of an Indra descendant (this has nothing to do with reincarnations) being better at using the rinnegan than an Ashura descendant.

Lastly this is getting off topic, so this is my last post to you. As of yet I have seen zero evidence to prove that Indra descendants can use the rinnegan better than an Ashura descendant.

My proof is basically that an Indra reincarnation should naturally be better at using it, since they are more used to using eye techniques... That's it, nothing more, nothing less... Again let's go back to my sword analogy... Would it not be bs if somebody who literally JUST used a sword negs out just defeats somebody who is experienced sword fighting? I already explained myself with the Nagato part, please understand what I'm trying to say... I explained why Nagato was better with it, Nagato had more experience with the Rinnegan... My whole argument is that they would be more experienced than an Ashura reincarnation (which I was talking about in my original post that started this pointless debate). Unless you are honestly trying to say that an inexperienced person should be able to use something at the same level as an experienced person. I fully acknowledge that the Rinnegan is a different dojutsu, I never claimed that it was the same as the Sharingan. My claim is, that it is still a dojutsu, that an Indra descendant is experienced in using... A dojutsu is still a dojutsu so they SHOULD be able to utilize and comprehend it faster than somebody who had never used a dojutsu a single day in their life. It's probably my fault for bringing Indra and Ashura into this, but my debate is about experience with it, not genetics and the Yin-Yang crap. It's just Indra and Ashura seemed like good examples st the moment because Indra is experienced in dojutsu using, while Ashura is not.

@bold you are starting to sound like a broken record, and are not even acknowledging the fact that I countered that claim, with the fact that Nagato, unlike any other freakin Ashura descendant, always had that Rinnegan in his lifetime as a shinobi...


Also, think of body power and Eye Power as skills in a game..

Body power= more like passive skills and buffs in a video game
Eye Power= more like active skills in a video game

The body power is things like more chakra and health than the average player, and added speed and strength stats, so you are able to spam more skills and move faster and strike Harder with physical attacks

The eye power is like having increased INT and DEX stats than the average player, increasing the potency of the chakra thus being able to use less chakra in active skills and also empowering the skills...

 

[Ken Kaneki]

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