(Urgent) Officer charged with murder, another black man dead.

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You would think they would stop being so trigger happy after seeing the news of other similar incidents, or has it become a competition to have your face plastered over the media.
 

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Unlike in movies shooting in the Leg can kill you ... If it hits the arteries the person will bleed out to death in less than a hour and if the bullet finds the bone it can cause a ungodly amount of pain that can cripple or kill.
It's very unlikely for one to die by a getting shot directly in the leg and i'm pretty sure they will patch him up before he'd bleed to death and the chance of being hit in the artery is slim but possible but you should be worried more about the wound being infected. Nonetheless i'd rather be shot in the leg then be sprayed by bullets all over me, nobody wants to die just because they threw a bunch of rocks at the wrong people.
 
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This is just sad, if it were a white guy the man would have been still alive.

What about this suggests race was a factor?

I know some 'trailer trash' who would suffer the same fate at the hands of a police officer who justified the means with the ends.

Doesn't surprise me at all....

Cops are like that now a days, I guess, just kill a guy for no reason who isn't even threatening anyone or even have a weapon. Like others have said it looks like the cop was racest

Cops used to just show up and do nothing but now they're killing guys who don't even have a weapon of any kind...

We are a nation of nearly 400 million people with a police force of an estimated 900 thousand sworn law enforcement.

Yet we report news as if we are a nation with 120,000 people living in rural Virginia.

The reality of the numbers is that you will have incidents like this one.

The other reality is that the media will try to turn every incident into this one, even though they aren't.

If you believe that these are at all comparable to the Martin and Brown cases, then I've got some prime ocean front real estate in Missouri to sell you.

It's difficult to tell from the video exactly why the man began running.

There is a small object on the ground at the start of the video - giving the indication that there may be a bit more to this than the video captured (such as an attempt to actually grab the tazer, or something).

Within this context, about the best that can be argued for the officer is that the man initially went for his tazer and was interrupted by the officer drawing his firearm. The man fled and the officer shot based on 'fleeing armed man' or whatever. He then moved the tazer next to the man in an attempt to give the DA's office a loose defense to cover for him (this stuff can/does happen).

Rather than throw the DA's office under the bus and re-open virtually every case within the statute of limitations - he will likely be held up and crucified.

I would be curious to hear the testimony of the people taking the video as to what happened that prompted them to start taking the video.

Either way - the officer deserves to be charged.
 

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What about this suggests race was a factor?

I know some 'trailer trash' who would suffer the same fate at the hands of a police officer who justified the means with the ends.



We are a nation of nearly 400 million people with a police force of an estimated 900 thousand sworn law enforcement.

Yet we report news as if we are a nation with 120,000 people living in rural Virginia.

The reality of the numbers is that you will have incidents like this one.

The other reality is that the media will try to turn every incident into this one, even though they aren't.

If you believe that these are at all comparable to the Martin and Brown cases, then I've got some prime ocean front real estate in Missouri to sell you.

It's difficult to tell from the video exactly why the man began running.

There is a small object on the ground at the start of the video - giving the indication that there may be a bit more to this than the video captured (such as an attempt to actually grab the tazer, or something).

Within this context, about the best that can be argued for the officer is that the man initially went for his tazer and was interrupted by the officer drawing his firearm. The man fled and the officer shot based on 'fleeing armed man' or whatever. He then moved the tazer next to the man in an attempt to give the DA's office a loose defense to cover for him (this stuff can/does happen).

Rather than throw the DA's office under the bus and re-open virtually every case within the statute of limitations - he will likely be held up and crucified.

I would be curious to hear the testimony of the people taking the video as to what happened that prompted them to start taking the video.

Either way - the officer deserves to be charged.

Holy shit, he said it? He really said it! Is this Christmas?!?!

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So, from my understanding, of the general pulse of replies to this thread, is if you are light-skinned person and shoot a dark-skinned person, that automatically makes you racist. Good to know. I don't care that the officer was 'white' or that the subject was 'black.' All I care about is the fact the subject was supposedly unarmed. I am curious as to what threat to life the officer perceived; prompting him to shoot a man in the back. If no legitimate, bonafide, indisputable excuse is provided, then the officer will have to suffer the consequences.

The only time deadly force may be used on a fleeing individual is through exigent circumstances where there is a direct threat to lives; such as the person is knowingly armed (i.e. has a firearm and has used it) and running towards a populated area (where there is a direct belief the individual will attempt to harm others).

I don't see that so far, but it is up to the courts to decide, not me.


Again, moving on with my life since few on here actually care about facts. Nope, what matters here is the colour of skin pigmentation and nothing more. I'd like to think the officer would have still discharged his firearm if the subject was light-skinned since I have no real racial bias.
 

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Holy shit, he said it? He really said it! Is this Christmas?!?!

I'm one of the more harsh critics of our police forces.

I simply see the problem from a different perspective. I don't see it as a problem of "police officers" or a "problem of race" - I see it as a simple problem of far too many laws and an ever-expanding mission set for officers.

I don't want to be a police officer, and I know few people who do. You are thrown into the uncomfortable position of confronting people about something some douchebag wrote down on a piece of paper and decided would be law. While you do this, you are effectively Agent Smith to this person - they automatically assume you know (or suspect) them for whatever illegal activity they may be into. From the trash that might have missed the trash can to the hooker in their basement - you're there because of that, in their mind.

You know - the Telltale Heart, and all.

This influences that person's behavior. You pull someone over for running a stop sign and the next thing you know, they are shooting at you because they are driving on a suspended license, or something.

To show just how quickly things go the other way:

[video=youtube;O8-hgt8Z_qI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8-hgt8Z_qI[/video]

In less than a second that goes from 'routine compliant' to 'life or death.'

No - I don't want to be a police officer. Not when politicians have me risking that every time I am supposed to go enforce whatever stupid new law they've come up with.

Another example:



For what?

To quote one of the people more familiar with the case: "The point is that he's a convicted felon, and therefore can't posses a firearm, nor drugs. He'd likely get felony charges for both. At the very least he'd probably get put away for felon in possession of a firearm, carrying a concealed weapon without a permit and possession of marijuana, possibly with intent to distribute depending on how much they found on him. He would have been looking at a lot of prison time considering his past history, and he knew it. That's why he ran. Shame it had to end that way, a very lengthy series of bad decisions led to his death."

Which is why I am against the government being able to declare substances illegal and against the government being able to require individuals be 'licensed' or 'registered' for firearms or just about anything, really.

True - it was ultimately a set of bad decisions that led to his death - but from the government standpoint, the underground drug trade wouldn't exist if it weren't illegal - it would be a legal business like anything else. The reason we don't want felons carrying firearms is because they might do it again... but that creates an underground weapons trade and intent criminals -still- manage to obtain firearms and we're back at square one.

I'm not going to make the argument that the boy's life comes before law and say: "he'd be alive today if it weren't for the laws" - but the law does create a situation where the supply of goods that are in demand is arbitrarily limited. This forces people who want such products into the sphere of those who are willing to violate the law and strengthens the basis for a criminal underground.

The Mafia disappeared not because of the extensive efforts of the FBI, but because of the end to Prohibition - which was the primary source of funding for the Mafia. True - the FBI did bust up the hierarchy, but the reason it didn't rebuild (as it had countless times, before) was because the foundation of illegal alcohol was stripped from below them.

I could go on and on about how this has led to a situation where the police are suffering from insane amounts of "mission creep" (as we call it in the military) - but I believe you get the idea.
 

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I'm one of the more harsh critics of our police forces.

I simply see the problem from a different perspective. I don't see it as a problem of "police officers" or a "problem of race" - I see it as a simple problem of far too many laws and an ever-expanding mission set for officers.

I don't want to be a police officer, and I know few people who do. You are thrown into the uncomfortable position of confronting people about something some douchebag wrote down on a piece of paper and decided would be law. While you do this, you are effectively Agent Smith to this person - they automatically assume you know (or suspect) them for whatever illegal activity they may be into. From the trash that might have missed the trash can to the hooker in their basement - you're there because of that, in their mind.

You know - the Telltale Heart, and all.

This influences that person's behavior. You pull someone over for running a stop sign and the next thing you know, they are shooting at you because they are driving on a suspended license, or something.

To show just how quickly things go the other way:

[video=youtube;O8-hgt8Z_qI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8-hgt8Z_qI[/video]

In less than a second that goes from 'routine compliant' to 'life or death.'

No - I don't want to be a police officer. Not when politicians have me risking that every time I am supposed to go enforce whatever stupid new law they've come up with.

Another example:



For what?

To quote one of the people more familiar with the case: "The point is that he's a convicted felon, and therefore can't posses a firearm, nor drugs. He'd likely get felony charges for both. At the very least he'd probably get put away for felon in possession of a firearm, carrying a concealed weapon without a permit and possession of marijuana, possibly with intent to distribute depending on how much they found on him. He would have been looking at a lot of prison time considering his past history, and he knew it. That's why he ran. Shame it had to end that way, a very lengthy series of bad decisions led to his death."

Which is why I am against the government being able to declare substances illegal and against the government being able to require individuals be 'licensed' or 'registered' for firearms or just about anything, really.

True - it was ultimately a set of bad decisions that led to his death - but from the government standpoint, the underground drug trade wouldn't exist if it weren't illegal - it would be a legal business like anything else. The reason we don't want felons carrying firearms is because they might do it again... but that creates an underground weapons trade and intent criminals -still- manage to obtain firearms and we're back at square one.

I'm not going to make the argument that the boy's life comes before law and say: "he'd be alive today if it weren't for the laws" - but the law does create a situation where the supply of goods that are in demand is arbitrarily limited. This forces people who want such products into the sphere of those who are willing to violate the law and strengthens the basis for a criminal underground.

The Mafia disappeared not because of the extensive efforts of the FBI, but because of the end to Prohibition - which was the primary source of funding for the Mafia. True - the FBI did bust up the hierarchy, but the reason it didn't rebuild (as it had countless times, before) was because the foundation of illegal alcohol was stripped from below them.

I could go on and on about how this has led to a situation where the police are suffering from insane amounts of "mission creep" (as we call it in the military) - but I believe you get the idea.

The mafia is still around, just a hell of a lot less obviously than in times past. The laws are what made them go underground. Organized crime will always be around, it just evolves with time. RICO has forced these organizations to adapt. Illegal narcotics, human trafficking, & weapons trafficking more than made up for Prohibition ending.
 

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The mafia is still around, just a hell of a lot less obviously than in times past. The laws are what made them go underground. Organized crime will always be around, it just evolves with time. RICO has forced these organizations to adapt. Illegal narcotics, human trafficking, & weapons trafficking more than made up for Prohibition ending.

I had implied that the concept of organized crime changed faces.

The focus shifted from the mafia as a primary player to more of a secondary player.

It is the drug cartels stemming from the southern drug trade and the imports of opiates through California that have replaced them.

As for the "laws made them go undergound" - this is ridiculous.

The institution existed in blatant disregard of the law and law enforcement for decades and was more than capable of fighting -wars- against state and federal authorities (not to mention the locals).

The drug cartels exist in blatant disregard for the law and are conducting wars against law enforcement along the southern border.

It's the same pattern of behavior - the difference is in who owns the capital to do it. The mafia lost the capital when alcohol became legal and businesses serving a drinking clientele no longer needed to pay for both goods and protection from the law.

The notion that illegal institutions were curbed by the passing of law is, at best, naive.
 

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I had implied that the concept of organized crime changed faces.

The focus shifted from the mafia as a primary player to more of a secondary player.

It is the drug cartels stemming from the southern drug trade and the imports of opiates through California that have replaced them.

As for the "laws made them go undergound" - this is ridiculous.

The institution existed in blatant disregard of the law and law enforcement for decades and was more than capable of fighting -wars- against state and federal authorities (not to mention the locals).

The drug cartels exist in blatant disregard for the law and are conducting wars against law enforcement along the southern border.

It's the same pattern of behavior - the difference is in who owns the capital to do it. The mafia lost the capital when alcohol became legal and businesses serving a drinking clientele no longer needed to pay for both goods and protection from the law.

The notion that illegal institutions were curbed by the passing of law is, at best, naive.

I think you misunderstand me. The law didn't curb the mafia, it changed the way they operate. You operate out in the open and they build a RICO case against you. If they succeed, you go away for a long time. It isn't that hard to make the connections needed for RICO. The crime is still there, you just don't see it like it used to be.
 

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Only thing is I'm Dutch. Lol nice try

I looked up Rotherdam as we have a city called Rotterdam in the Netherlands. But Rotherdam is a british city and the child *** exploitation was done by ****ing pakistanis again. Always something with those savages.

I honestly thought you were a Brit. My mistake, sorry.

Anyway, also you know the funny thing abt that case is? British Police let about 1600 minor be exploited over 16 years despite the reports from even the Pakistani Community (They are not all bad) ... Because they did not like to appear 'racist'.
 

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I honestly thought you were a Brit. My mistake, sorry.

Anyway, also you know the funny thing abt that case is? British Police let about 1600 minor be exploited over 16 years despite the reports from even the Pakistani Community (They are not all bad) ... Because they did not like to appear 'racist'.

That's ok. My girlfriend is a Brit so I stay in London pretty frequently and post where I am at that time.
I'm not implying all are bad. I'm implying that, in my experience with pakis, there's always something savage happening revolving them.
 

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What about this suggests race was a factor?

I know some 'trailer trash' who would suffer the same fate at the hands of a police officer who justified the means with the ends.



We are a nation of nearly 400 million people with a police force of an estimated 900 thousand sworn law enforcement.

Yet we report news as if we are a nation with 120,000 people living in rural Virginia.

The reality of the numbers is that you will have incidents like this one.

The other reality is that the media will try to turn every incident into this one, even though they aren't.

If you believe that these are at all comparable to the Martin and Brown cases, then I've got some prime ocean front real estate in Missouri to sell you.

It's difficult to tell from the video exactly why the man began running.

There is a small object on the ground at the start of the video - giving the indication that there may be a bit more to this than the video captured (such as an attempt to actually grab the tazer, or something).

Within this context, about the best that can be argued for the officer is that the man initially went for his tazer and was interrupted by the officer drawing his firearm. The man fled and the officer shot based on 'fleeing armed man' or whatever. He then moved the tazer next to the man in an attempt to give the DA's office a loose defense to cover for him (this stuff can/does happen).

Rather than throw the DA's office under the bus and re-open virtually every case within the statute of limitations - he will likely be held up and crucified.

I would be curious to hear the testimony of the people taking the video as to what happened that prompted them to start taking the video.

Either way - the officer deserves to be charged.

There're very few motivations to shoot a complete stranger five ****ing times in the back whilst they're trying to run away. Race is one of the few reasons one could think of. The man wasn't even a criminal for crying out loud. He was pulled over for having busted brake lights. HE GOT KILLED OVER HIS ****ING BRAKE LIGHTS
Oh and he calmly dropped his taser next to corpse and claimed the guy tried to take it away from him
 
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Now they need to charge all the other officers for the black victims they killed.
 

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There're very few motivations to shoot a complete stranger five ****ing times in the back whilst they're trying to run away. Race is one of the few reasons one could think of. The man wasn't even a criminal for crying out loud. He was pulled over for having busted brake lights. HE GOT KILLED OVER HIS ****ING BRAKE LIGHTS
Oh and he calmly dropped his taser next to corpse and claimed the guy tried to take it away from him

So, basically, what you are saying is that any abuse of authority must necessarily be tied to race.

If I were to line up and shoot some trailer trash running away from me - it's because they're Irish and I'm German - right?
 
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