The reason why Madara spared Hashirama

[KingHashirama]

And we aren't counting the fact Hashirama wasn't trying to put Madara down until the end.. when he casually did it?

 

[HiddenSound]

Agreed. "Dying" and going off the radar was Madara's best bet. But I wonder how much stronger he'd be with all of Hashirama's body, not just a piece.

And we aren't counting the fact Hashirama wasn't trying to put Madara down until the end.. when he casually did it?

I think you missed the point.. Madara could have killed Hashirama in the end, the fight itself and who's stronger overall is irrelevant to the thread.

 

[maniaoqan]

And we aren't counting the fact Hashirama wasn't trying to put Madara down until the end.. when he casually did it?

Are you implying Hashirama was holding back during the entire fight until he killed Madara ?

 

[V h o]

Lol izanagi was just another back up plan to ensure Madara's ambitions could live on, same with Madara bringing a bijuu to the battle.

 

[KingHashirama]

Are you implying Hashirama was holding back during the entire fight until he killed Madara ?

No manga already did the implication, in case you failed to realize. Simply go reread the fight.

I simply stated it.

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[maniaoqan]

No manga already did the implication, in case you failed to realize. Simply go reread the fight.

I simply stated it.

Ok. Which manga was it ?

 

[Demonic.]

Actually, Madara couldn't have used Izanagi. Everytime Izanagi has been used the Sharingan has been exposed (Tobi took off his mask, Danzo took off his braces) and since Madara had his sharingan deactivated due to low reserves he couldn't have used it when he got stabbed.

 

[maniaoqan]

Actually, Madara couldn't have used Izanagi. Everytime Izanagi has been used the Sharingan has been exposed (Tobi took off his mask, Danzo took off his braces) and since Madara had his sharingan deactivated due to low reserves he couldn't have used it when he got stabbed.

His eyes are closed during his talk with Hashirama. OP states he probably used it there and Kishimoto didn't showed us in order to not spoil it.

 

[Demonic.]

His eyes are closed during his talk with Hashirama. OP states he probably used it there and Kishimoto didn't showed us in order to not spoil it.

Not only is that speculation, but you're wrong, his sharingan was already off before the clash:

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[maniaoqan]

Not only is that speculation, but you're wrong, his sharingan was already off before the clash:

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Thats not proving anything. His sharingan was off to preserve chakra, it doesn't mean he was completly out of chakra.

And OP states Madara prepares Izanagi during his talk after he got stabbed.

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We're listening the story from Hashirama who doesn't know Madara uses Izanagi, so it makes sense that Kishimoto doesn't shows us Madara's eyes. Because if he did that he would've spoiled it to us. Kishimoto didn't showed us Obito's MS pattern for a long time and kept showing us regular sharingan when he used Kamui so that we wouldn't make the connection between him and Kakashi. These kind of things are being done in every manga, in order to keep the mystery.

Edit: I just checked it. Madara used Izanagi with his right eye, which in that scan isn't showed at all.

 

[Demonic.]

Thats not proving anything. His sharingan was off to preserve chakra, it doesn't mean he was completly out of chakra.

Hashirama who has more chakra than Madara collapsed right after he stabbed Madara, so I'm pretty sure Madara was also running low on chakra....so you are desperately speculating here

And OP states Madara prepares Izanagi during his talk after he got stabbed.

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Unless his name is Kishimoto, I couldn't care less about the OP's opinion here (who is a known Madara fanboy) Lol

We're listening the story from Hashirama who doesn't know Madara uses Izanagi, so it makes sense that Kishimoto doesn't shows us Madara's eyes. Because if he did that he would've spoiled it to us. Kishimoto didn't showed us Obito's MS pattern for a long time and kept showing us regular sharingan when he used Kamui so that we wouldn't make the connection between him and Kakashi. These kind of things are being done in every manga, in order to keep the mystery.

As far as the manga tells us, we know his Sharingan was retracted so he couldn't have used Izanagi when he got stabbed

Edit: I just checked it. Madara used Izanagi with his right eye, which in that scan isn't showed at all.

Great. You have a nice theory. Madara's bangs are in the way of his activated Sharingan while the left eye is deactivated. Which raises the question why Madara would have his right eye activated but not his left.

Still doesn't prove anything.

 

[maniaoqan]

Hashirama who has more chakra than Madara collapsed right after he stabbed Madara, so I'm pretty sure Madara was also running low on chakra....so you are desperately speculating here

Yet he had enough chakra to perform Izanagi, and then Kage Bunshin after his resurrection. Lets not forget he had his Sharingan on after he awakened.

Unless his name is Kishimoto, I couldn't care less about the OP's opinion here (who is a known Madara fanboy) Lol

Well thats just your opinion. It doesn't change the fact that these kind of things happened many times, we were listening a story from Hashirama's perspective so waiting to see Madara using Izanagi there wouldn't make sense.

As far as the manga tells us, we know his Sharingan was retracted so he couldn't have used Izanagi when he got stabbed

He had some time while he was talking to Madara. Obito used Izanagi quite fast as well against Konan. Him having his eye off doesn't mean he can't activate it again. His eyelids were shut down, so it is possible and lets not forget Madara came back to life with the stab wound he got from Hashirama which shows us that he used it after he got stabbed anyway regardless of your opinion.

Great. You have a nice theory. Madara's bangs are in the way of his activated Sharingan while the left eye is deactivated. Which raises the question why Madara would have his right eye activated but not his left.

Still doesn't prove anything.

Eyelid being shut down doesn't mean it is turned off. Kakashi coveres his eye, Sasuke shown to shut his eyelid of Rinnegan. Itachi shut his eyelid when he performed Amaterasu a couple times. So it is possible that he had his sharingan turned on but closed his left eyelid.

 

[Demonic.]

Yet he had enough chakra to perform Izanagi, and then Kage Bunshin after his resurrection. Lets not forget he had his Sharingan on after he awakened.

Except he didn't perform it there, he had prepped it before the fight in case he died.

Your theory implies Madara threw the fight but Black Zetsu acknowledges Madara lost:

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And then says Madara "wasn't stupid" implying Izanagi was his backup plan:

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He had some time while he was talking to Madara. Obito used Izanagi quite fast as well against Konan. Him having his eye off doesn't mean he can't activate it again.

Pure speculation.

His eyelids were shut down, so it is possible and lets not forget Madara came back to life with the stab wound he got from Hashirama which shows us that he used it after he got stabbed anyway regardless of your opinion.

@Bold: It shows Izanagi took affect after he got the stab wound. Black Zetsu confirmed he had already prepped it beforehand. So you have no point here.

Eyelid being shut down doesn't mean it is turned off. Kakashi coveres his eye, Sasuke shown to shut his eyelid of Rinnegan. Itachi shut his eyelid when he performed Amaterasu a couple times. So it is possible that he had his sharingan turned on but closed his left eyelid.

His eye is visible before they engaged each other and his sharingan is off

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His eye is visible when he gets stabbed and his sharingan is off

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This will probably be my last post. You are speculating. Nice theory.

 

[maniaoqan]

Except he didn't perform it there, he had prepped it before the fight in case he died.

Your theory implies Madara threw the fight but Black Zetsu acknowledges Madara lost:

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If he prepped it before the fight, when he came back to life he wouldn't had the stab wound. You clearly don't know how Izanagi works. And no Madara didn't threw the fight until he got that stab wound, but once things got to that point he knew that if he killed Hashirama with Izanagi, he was going to be on Tobirama's number 1 kill list and all the while he'll has only one eye and fatally wounded.

And then says Madara "wasn't stupid" implying Izanagi was his backup plan:

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Yes backup plan which he decided to use after he realized he lost the fight.

Pure speculation.

No it isn't. We seen how long it took Obito to activate Izanagi. It was quite fast.

@Bold: It shows Izanagi took affect after he got the stab wound. Black Zetsu confirmed he had already prepped it beforehand. So you have no point here.

Now you're speculating. Izanagi doesn't work that way, its been explained how it works many times, I'm not gonna discuss how Izanagi works with you. If he used it before the fight, that wound would turn into an illusion just like his death turned into one, it is simple as that.

His eye is visible before they engaged each other and his sharingan is off

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His eye is visible when he gets stabbed and his sharingan is off

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This will probably be my last post. You are speculating. Nice theory.

And I was saying he was preserving chakra, that is why his Sharingan was turned off. He simply used Izanagi when he was talking with Hashirama in that scene Kishimoto didn't showed us his eyes considering the story was from Hashirama's perspective.

Anyway, considering you're ignoring the point and keep bringing irrelevant scans is showing you got nothing. First claimed it is impossible to use Sharingan from one eye and now changing how Izanagi works entirely, who is speculating i wonder.

This will be my last post as well then, nice going.

 

[Demonic.]

@Manioqan

Not that I cannot counter your post, but it would be pointless to do so.

Even if I did agree with you (which I don't), it still wouldn't prove Madara would have killed Hashirama for a fact.

-Izanagi does not replenish chakra/stamina.

-Madara would have still had a wound in his chest (which he only healed after implanting Hashi's cells in him)

So we do not know if he was in any condition to land one last blow. Madara saw being revived later as his best course of action for a reason.

Now for the expected, "he didn't want to kill Hashirama and have Tobirama and the leaf hunt him down" counter; Madara could have just left a shadow clone in his place next to Hashirama's body like he did in the lab, and still faked his death since Tobirama didn't even notice.

 

[Floydical]

Madara spare Hashirama? Ha.

Hashirama proved time and again he was Madara's superior. Most of Madara's obsession over the Rinnegan was a result of him getting his ass handed to him time and again. The reason he didn't use Izanagi in an attempt to Kill Hashirama was because he was still likely to loose. He used it like he did because it was CERTAIN he'd live and still be able to get on with his plan.

Madara was admitting defeat to a superior warrior and was still able to fulfill his plan.

 

[KingHashirama]

Ok. Which manga was it ?

The one written by Kishimoto , called NARUTO. The one where Madara could never get on Hashirama's level. The one where Hashirama in all of his fights, never once intended to kill Madara, until the point where he said he could careless about Hashirama and his village or w.e.


Izanami was a backup plan, in case of his death. And the backup plan worked fine.

 

[maniaoqan]

The one written by Kishimoto , called NARUTO. The one where Madara could never get on Hashirama's level. The one where Hashirama in all of his fights, never once intended to kill Madara, until the point where he said he could careless about Hashirama and his village or w.e.


Izanami was a backup plan, in case of his death. And the backup plan worked fine.

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This is where Hashirama accepts that he can't save Madara and decides to kill him by going all out.

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This is where that leads. Both are completly equal. But Hashirama manages to win with one last trick. But Madara could've won the fight if he decided to use Izanagi to suprise Hashirama instead of faking his death.

At that point they're clearly at the same level what ever you think. But I guess Hashirama's wood is covering your sight so you can't read the manga properly