[Discussion] Top 10 Strongest characters in Dressrosa at the moment (Might upset a few of you)

[xanonymosx]

Also, Law is a level above Zoro. He'd made short work of him tbh.
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Lol not in your biggest dream

 

[IminLovewithMAryj]

Place Burges somewhere inbetween

Ah, I forgot Burgess. Yeah, he'd go in the middle somewhere. Certainly below Doffy and Sabo, haha. He may be an EoS villian but that is a long way off. At the moment he's basically fodderized by Sabo.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Your reason for putting Burgess higher than Sabo is stupid anyway

Good to know.

 

[Bogard]

Good to know.

Yeah good to know you're unable to debate

1- Burgess is stronger because EOS opponent?

a- What's your proof Sabo won't be an EOS ally?
b- What stops Burgess to improve by the time of EOS? What stops him to take a relatively overpowered devil fruit increasing his level to huge extent by the time of EOS and thus making the relationship with his current stand nearly irrelevant?
c- Pretty certain Nami will have EOS fights and i doubt her Blackbeard representative will be as strong as current Sabo, so being a EOS opponent doesn't prove anything
d- Pre mera Sabo already overpowered current Burgess, so let alone Powered-up with Mera Sabo

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lol not in your biggest dream

Except he is and would. Law can activate a Room fast enough and big enough that Doflamingo didn't notice it being created. Even if Zoro notices Room has gone up, chances are, he's gonna be unsheathing his swords are the same time, and it's not really something he can stop Law from doing. Zoro has two options from here: Long-distance slashing or rushing towards Law for close quarter combat. Either way, Law can just Shambles his swords away, and it's easy pickings.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yeah good to know you're unable to debate

1- Burgess is stronger because EOS opponent?

a- What's your proof Sabo won't be an EOS ally?
b- What stops Burgess to improve by the time of EOS? What stops him to take a relatively overpowered devil fruit increasing his level to huge extent by the time of EOS and thus making the relationship with his current stand nearly irrelevant?
c- Pretty certain Nami will have EOS fights and i doubt her Blackbeard representative will be as strong as current Sabo, so being a EOS opponent doesn't prove anything
d- Pre mera Sabo already overpowered current Burgess, so let alone Powered-up with Mera Sabo

Yeah, because I notably never debate. Like I said, it was a hunch, not something I have enough interest or put a day's worth of thought into.

A) I didn't say he wouldn't?
B) I didn't say he wouldn't?
C) Okay
D)They traded one blow. That doesn't mean in an extended fight, Sabo would continue to overpower him all the time.

 

[xanonymosx]

Except he is and would. Law can activate a Room fast enough and big enough that Doflamingo didn't notice it being created. Even if Zoro notices Room has gone up, chances are, he's gonna be unsheathing his swords are the same time, and it's not really something he can stop Law from doing. Zoro has two options from here: Long-distance slashing or rushing towards Law for close quarter combat. Either way, Law can just Shambles his swords away, and it's easy pickings.

somone skipped the chapter where zoro coated his swords with haki somthing that bypass`s DF so as long as zoro`a swords are coated with haki law isnt shamplesing any thing here

let me tell you what are going to say :
law cut vergo even with him using FBH haki and i say just because it happend to vergo that dsnt mean it would happen to zoro and law was most likely using his owen haki as well so how can he add haki to something like shambles ?
unless you have a panel law shambleing something coated with haki this BS isnt happening

 

[Punk Hazard]

somone skipped the chapter where zoro coated his swords with haki somthing that bypass`s DF so as long as zoro`a swords are coated with haki law isnt shamplesing any thing here

let me tell you what are going to say :
law cut vergo even with him using FBH haki and i say just because it happend to vergo that dsnt mean it would happen to zoro and law was most likely using his owen haki as well so how can he add haki to something like shambles ?
unless you have a panel law shambleing something coated with haki this BS isnt happening

No I didn't. Law is portrayed to be on the same level as Luffy, who we know is superior to Zoro. In order for Zoro's Haki to bypass Law's cutting ability, he's gonna have to be stronger than Law, and he's not. Not only that, but it's not like Zoro has his swords coated 24/7.

Shambles and Law's cutting powers aren't things he can imbue Haki into because, well, they're not "things" period. His cut isn't a physical thing, so it's impossible to imbue Haki into it. Yet, his cut was still able to affect something coated in Haki(Vergo). That shows that Law's powers, while being Hakiless, can still affect things covered in Haki. Why would Shambles be an exception?

 

[Ken Kaneki]

Yeah, nah, Burgess is EOS level villain, Zoro at the moment is not on his level.

1. Fujitora
2. Burgess
3. Sabo/Doflamingo
4. Sabo/Doflamingo
5. Law
6. Luffy
7. Zoro
8. Pica
9. Hakuba
10. Kyros

Luffy > Law

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy > Law

That did absolutely nothing to sway my opinion.

 

[xanonymosx]

No I didn't. Law is portrayed to be on the same level as Luffy, who we know is superior to Zoro. In order for Zoro's Haki to bypass Law's cutting ability, he's gonna have to be stronger than Law, and he's not. Not only that, but it's not like Zoro has his swords coated 24/7.

Shambles and Law's cutting powers aren't things he can imbue Haki into because, well, they're not "things" period. His cut isn't a physical thing, so it's impossible to imbue Haki into it. Yet, his cut was still able to affect something coated in Haki(Vergo). That shows that Law's powers, while being Hakiless, can still affect things covered in Haki. Why would Shambles be an exception?

1- first of all you are using some stupid logic here zoro`s COA feats are better then luffy "the suprior" it`s not DBZ where the all stats of character A are stronger than B`s stats dude
2- " vergo`s haki is enough to resist your cutting abilty " those were DD`s words somone who knows the ope ope .law`s answer was " it has been 2 years since the great war and we all got stronger " or something like that DF powers dont grow stronger by time akainu`s magma isnt going to be hotter after some years same goes for kizaru`s laser`s and WB`S quakes why is law`s an exeption ? two things could have changed law`s physicall strength and his haki and the two of them arent factors when it come to "shambles "

 

[YellowFang]

- Fujitora

- Doflamingo
- Sabo

- Luffy
- Law
- Zoro

- Pica
- Kyrios
- Burgess

- Sai/ Hakuba

 

[Punk Hazard]

1- first of all you are using some stupid logic here zoro`s COA feats are better then luffy "the suprior" it`s not DBZ where the all stats of character A are stronger than B`s stats dude
2- " vergo`s haki is enough to resist your cutting abilty " those were DD`s words somone wh knows the ope ope law answer was " it has been 2 years since the great war and we all got stronger " or something like that DF powers dont grow stronger by time akainu`s magma isnt going to be hotter after some years same goes for kizaru`s laser`s and WB`S quakes why is law`s an exeption ? two things could have changed law`s physicall strength and his haki and the two of them arent factors when it come to "shambles "

1. Zoro's one and only COA feat is cutting Pica's FBH. Zoro himself made note that Pica isn't worth Luffy's time. Luffy's COA was sufficient to damage Doffy and clash with his COA once Luffy was able to touch him, though the damage from Gamma Knife could have contributed to that. It's still no question despite that that Doffy>>>>Pica anyways, so Luffy actually has the better COA feats.

2. And Doflamingo was wrong. He had an estimate of Law's power, and concluded that Vergo was better than Law. His estimate was more down under than kangaroos. Why can't DF powers grow stronger? That's a completely baseless assumption. It makes far more sense that one's powers can grow along with them than not. A prime example of this is Law being able to create bigger rooms post-skip.

You're suggesting that Law was able to cut Vergo by imbuing Haki into his cut. But, the cut has no tangible or physical form, so how could Law imbue Haki into it? Unless Law imbued invisible Haki into his sword and made actual physical contact, Haki isn't the reason he cut Vergo. If it is, then that means Law was able to use invisible Haki cut the FBH of someone who was portrayed to be stronger than the person Zoro needed Koka to cut, which would put Law's Haki above Zoro's anyways.

 

[Ken Kaneki]

That did absolutely nothing to sway my opinion.

No need to sway you by words. There is a fight going on. Manga would sway you(unless you are a fanboy).

 

[Punk Hazard]

No need to sway you by words. There is a fight going on. Manga would sway you(unless you are a fanboy).

Maybe if Luffy was beating Doffy completely on his own, yeah, it would. But the fact that Luffy has only been able to hit Doffy due to teamwork with Law, especially the one that threw Doffy to the brink of death, makes that kind of unlikely.

By the way, it's easy for anyone to go "You're just being a fanboy" in a debate.

 

[Bogard]

1. Zoro's one and only COA feat is cutting Pica's FBH. Zoro himself made note that Pica isn't worth Luffy's time. Luffy's COA was sufficient to damage Doffy and clash with his COA once Luffy was able to touch him, though the damage from Gamma Knife could have contributed to that. It's still no question despite that that Doffy>>>>Pica anyways, so Luffy actually has the better COA feats.

Doflamingo and Luffy had an initial COA clash(Doflamingo's kick versus Luffy's guard) and Doflamingo broke through it easily, so it doesn't make sense to think that Luffy magically broke through Doflamingo's COA latest chapter because of the strength of his own armament. No, Luffy wasn't just using COA on Doflamingo, he was using his physical strength and stretching capabilities as well. When Luffy used a normal kick with COA, he couldn't even make Dofla's COA guard budge showing the difference in level between their COA.

He had to wind up his kick through his stretching capabilities to make Doffy's guard stumble. Luffy isn't blocking a bloodlusted Diable Jambe Spectre with a feather coat held by one arm and no footing, not when a Bellamy who couldn't overpower Tank Lepankto could break his guard with his COA punch especially when his rubber is normally invulnerable to blunt attacks. Yes, Doffy felt Luffy's punch to the face but there's no indication he took any real damage with his COA still active(not broken).

So in the end, you should stop mixing COA with physical strength and special abilities. By doing that you're forgetting previous events like when Luffy could break Sandersonia's COA pretimeskip without using COA(not a COA user at the time), but with just brute force. It would be beyond pathetic with Luffy's physical strength enhanced by his stretching capability being in question if Luffy couldn't even make Doffy feel his punch with a direct hit right in the face. Doflamingo's COA > Luffy's

We've no way to compare it to Pica's and/or Zoro's though considering Zoro never faced Doffy and Pica has not been compared to Doffy in COA, but we could estimate it. And no, because Pica is the underling doesn't mean his COA should be weaker. COA has nothing to do with strength. It could very well be possible that Pica had stronger armament while still being weaker than Doffy. I believe for example that Vergo had stronger armament than Doffy. He could block cutting abilities fine when Doffy's hardening couldn't completely block the sharp edge of Law's sword(he was bleeding a little), yet Pica's COA was implied to be able to completely block even Zoro's sanzen sekai(one of his strongest cutting abilities) and was at least strong enough to not kill him even when enhanced with Zoro's stronger armament

And yes Luffy > Law. Everyone including Law himself admitted inferiority

 

[Forbidden Tale]

1. Fujitora / Sabo / Doflamingo
2. Sabo / Doflamingo / Fujitora
3. Doflamingo / Fujitora / Sabo
4. Burgess
5. Luffy
6. Law
7. Zoro
8. Pica
9. Diamante / Trebol
10. Kyros

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doflamingo and Luffy had an initial COA clash(Doflamingo's kick versus Luffy's guard) and Doflamingo broke through it easily, so it doesn't make sense to think that Luffy magically broke through Doflamingo's COA latest chapter because of the strength of his own armament. No, Luffy wasn't just using COA on Doflamingo, he was using his physical strength and stretching capabilities as well. When Luffy used a normal kick with COA, he couldn't even make Dofla's COA guard budge showing the difference in level between their COA.

He had to wind up his kick through his stretching capabilities to make Doffy's guard stumble. Luffy isn't blocking a bloodlusted Diable Jambe Spectre with a feather coat held by one arm and no footing, not when a Bellamy who couldn't overpower Tank Lepankto could break his guard with his COA punch especially when his rubber is normally invulnerable to blunt attacks. Yes, Doffy felt Luffy's punch to the face but there's no indication he took any real damage with his COA still active(not broken).

So in the end, you should stop mixing COA with physical strength and special abilities. By doing that you're forgetting previous events like when Luffy could break Sandersonia's COA pretimeskip without using COA(not a COA user at the time), but with just brute force. It would be beyond pathetic with Luffy's physical strength enhanced by his stretching capability being in question if Luffy couldn't even make Doffy feel his punch with a direct hit right in the face. Doflamingo's COA > Luffy's

We've no way to compare it to Pica's and/or Zoro's though considering Zoro never faced Doffy and Pica has not been compared to Doffy in COA, but we could estimate it. And no, because Pica is the underling doesn't mean his COA should be weaker. COA has nothing to do with strength. It could very well be possible that Pica had stronger armament while still being weaker than Doffy. I believe for example that Vergo had stronger armament than Doffy. He could block cutting abilities fine when Doffy's hardening couldn't completely block the sharp edge of Law's sword(he was bleeding a little), yet Pica's COA was implied to be able to completely block even Zoro's sanzen sekai(one of his strongest cutting abilities) and was at least strong enough to not kill him even when enhanced with Zoro's stronger armament

And yes Luffy > Law. Everyone including Law himself admitted inferiority

When did:
1. Law admit inferiority to Luffy? If you're referring to the miracles/middle finger page, Law was clearly goading Doflamingo in order to create the opening for Gamma Knife. He told Luffy he had a plan, and he suspected this plan to put down Doflamingo. Law's whole "The Strawhats will put you down" were sweet nothings because he expected himself to put down Doffy with Gamma Knife. When Luffy was about to charge Doffy, Law told him to stop because "Doffy was his."

2. Vergo block cuts with his Koka?

That's a fair point about Luffy putting his physical strength in conjunction with Buso to make Doffy reel, same as he did with the Boa sisters. However, that'd imply that Doffy's physical strength is pretty significantly below Luffy's. The same "Strength doesn't mean COA" thing can also apply to Doffy damaging Luffy. How do you know that's because Doffy's Koka was above Luffy's and not that Doffy's leg had sufficient strength and speed to it due to being cocked back to overcome Luffy's physical strength? Doffy blocking Luffy's leg without budging is also a testament that Luffy's strength is not that far above Doffy's, if at all. Them stalemating with the leg moment is testament that their physical strength may not be that far apart.

 

[xanonymosx]

1. Zoro's one and only COA feat is cutting Pica's FBH. Zoro himself made note that Pica isn't worth Luffy's time. Luffy's COA was sufficient to damage Doffy and clash with his COA once Luffy was able to touch him, though the damage from Gamma Knife could have contributed to that. It's still no question despite that that Doffy>>>>Pica anyways, so Luffy actually has the better COA feats.

2. And Doflamingo was wrong. He had an estimate of Law's power, and concluded that Vergo was better than Law. His estimate was more down under than kangaroos. Why can't DF powers grow stronger? That's a completely baseless assumption. It makes far more sense that one's powers can grow along with them than not. A prime example of this is Law being able to create bigger rooms post-skip.

You're suggesting that Law was able to cut Vergo by imbuing Haki into his cut. But, the cut has no tangible or physical form, so how could Law imbue Haki into it? Unless Law imbued invisible Haki into his sword and made actual physical contact, Haki isn't the reason he cut Vergo. If it is, then that means Law was able to use invisible Haki cut the FBH of someone who was portrayed to be stronger than the person Zoro needed Koka to cut, which would put Law's Haki above Zoro's anyways.

1- no zoro`s haki was used to increase the attack power and make him cut a mountain size golem like butter while luffy`s coa combined with haki was only able to destroy the head (ofc you would mention EGG but that is just a repititive move so it dsnt count ) so until luffy show a greater destructive power with his haki zoro `s haki is suprior
2- again no law creating a bigger room dsnt has any thing to do with the df power growing stronger but with his stamina
proof : he used some of his life span to create a gigantic room and he should be able to do the same and creat a large room by sacrficing his life span pre ts it`s not like the DF grow strong it`s just law wasnt strong enough ofc you would try to apply the same logic on the slashs but that wont work considering the slash was already slicing through every thing pre ts
3- for the third time no law combined his haki with the DF to beat vergo his haki didnt play the biggest part it added up to the attack to over come vergo`s haki
4- and now to nail this haki cant be added to law`s df thing you said that law`s slashs cant be combined with haki right so that should apply to "mes" too right ? yet law used it on smoker and managed to take his heart remember this is mes one of law`s techs which can`t be combined with haki but smok is a logia so he cant be touched with out haki so how did law manage to take his heart if he didnt combine mes with haki ?

debating with you is like trying to convince a real madrid fan that messi > ronaldo no matter what they will look for some non sense to spout and stay in denial mode so iam going to stop here

 

[Ken Kaneki]

Maybe if Luffy was beating Doffy completely on his own, yeah, it would. But the fact that Luffy has only been able to hit Doffy due to teamwork with Law, especially the one that threw Doffy to the brink of death, makes that kind of unlikely.

By the way, it's easy for anyone to go "You're just being a fanboy" in a debate.

See if Doffy looses to a weaker attack by Luffy than Law's best attack, then I would agree with you. But that ain't going to happen. Weaker Doffy or not. Luffy is going to produce a stronger attack. Wait and watch