The reason why Madara spared Hashirama

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

Except he didn't have his Sharingan active during the final clash with Hashirama. He didn't have it active at the moment he was being stabbed nor after [

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]. That's why he wasn't able to distinguish between the real Hashirama and the Wood Clone. The only possible explanation is that he activated it

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where the panel focuses on his EMS, but then that begs the question of why his wound still remained.

Again, if he activated at that point you're saying he wouldn't had that stab wound Hashirama gave him when he returned back to life. He must've activated it after he was stabbed. Here his eyes are closed, he probably used it there and Kishimoto didn't want to show us in order to not spoil it.

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Kishi done similar things in order to not spoil it. He didn't showed Tobi's MS design so that we wouldn't link it with Kakashi until War Arc and he always remained with regular Sharingan while using Kamui.

 

[The Necromancer]

I thought this conclusion was obvious.

Again, if he activated at that point you're saying he wouldn't had that stab wound Hashirama gave him when he returned back to life. He must've activated it after he was stabbed. Here his eyes are closed, he probably used it there and Kishimoto didn't want to show us in order to not spoil it.

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Kishi done similar things in order to not spoil it. He didn't showed Tobi's MS design so that we wouldn't link it with Kakashi until War Arc and he always remained with regular Sharingan while using Kamui.

No. It was set to activate at a specific time, like Itachi did with Sasuke's Amaterasu. BZ explained this.

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It was when his EMS was highlighted.

 

[Dantee]

i agree. When this chapter came out it showed Madara always had the intent of faking his own death and pretending to die by Hashis hands.

 

[Ambivalence]

He was able to use KB after he came back to life. He managed to escape Tobirama's hideout as well. Hashirama on the other hand collapsed right after Madara 'died'. Madara obviously had strength to fight if he wanted to.

Kage Bunshin just splits his chakra in two, it doesn't have a minimum chakra requirement. Since time has passed after his battle with Hashirama, then not only could his chakra level be replenished at least a tiny bit, but also his physical condition was enough that he got out on his own. We don't even know if that hideout was guarded anyway, so he could have just walked right out.

Also, Hashirama didn't collapse [

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]. He's quite clearly staying conscious, him kneeling was just the momentary feeling of the massive exhaustion from the battle.

He was resurrected with his wounds, where Hashirama stabbed him. This shows that he used Izanagi after he got stabbed.

Madara didn't use Izanagi after he got stabbed [

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]. His eyes were normal, which is why he couldn't distinguish Hashirama's Wood Clone, and it's explicitly stated that Izanagi activated itself after his death [

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]. Key sentence: ''With the Mangekyo Sharingan, you can create techniques that would be activated after a certain time."

But he risks dying while he won't have any control over his body. If Tobirama simply took his eyes out to experiment his plan would've failed. Or if his body was destroyed. Resurrecting sooner was less risky then what he chose to. He knew Hashirama was just as worn out as him, on top of that he would have the element of suprise.

He didn't risk anything, since he knows Hashirama better than anyone. He would never let his once best friend's body be defiled, much less Tobirama plunging out his eyes. :|

 

[Holy God]

now report me for my bad grammar!

I already did it before I posted my first reply.

 

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

I thought this conclusion was obvious.



No. It was set to activate at a specific time, like Itachi did with Sasuke's Amaterasu. BZ explained this.

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It was when his EMS was highlighted.

But if that was the case he wouldn't had his wounds when he came back to life. That part doesn't makes sense. Izanagi resets your body to the point you activated it with cost of your eye and the amount of chakra for the technique. But he clearly has his stab wound, this shows he used it after he got stabbed.

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Look at Madara's chest. The wound is clearly visible. The point of Izanagi is deleting the unwanted experience, so the presence of that wound clearly shows that Izanagi has been used after he got that wound.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Again, if he activated at that point you're saying he wouldn't had that stab wound Hashirama gave him when he returned back to life. He must've activated it after he was stabbed. Here his eyes are closed, he probably used it there and Kishimoto didn't want to show us in order to not spoil it.

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Kishi done similar things in order to not spoil it. He didn't showed Tobi's MS design so that we wouldn't link it with Kakashi until War Arc and he always remained with regular Sharingan while using Kamui.

Black Zetsu specifically used the phrasing

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to describe Madara's use of Izanagi as well as likening it to Itachi's Transfer Seal of Amaterasu to Sasuke. Installed doesn't sound like something that was done spur of the moment after he was stabbed.

Also, every time we've seen Sharingan abilities used in such a manner, there has been a specific instance that must occur first. In Sasuke's case it was coming into contact with Obito's eye in which Amaterasu was invoked, with Naruto it was coming into contact with Itachi's MS that invoked KA, and in Madara's case it was likely just in the event of his death. We don't know how specific these pre-set conditions can be made. If Madara were to have set a delayed Izanagi to activate in the case of his death, he would not be able to account for the mortal wound he would end up suffering. Izanagi erased his death, and only that.

 

[Holy God]

But if that was the case he wouldn't had his wounds when he came back to life. That part doesn't makes sense. Izanagi resets your body to the point you activated it with cost of your eye and the amount of chakra for the technique. But he clearly has his stab wound, this shows he used it after he got stabbed.

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Look at Madara's chest. The wound is clearly visible. The point of Izanagi is deleting the unwanted experience, so the presence of that wound clearly shows that Izanagi has been used after he got that wound.

Yes, his eye was programmed to activate Izanagi some time after his death. It wasn't active the whole battle and until then. Meaning he reversed death but carries the wounds of the battle.

 

[The Necromancer]

But if that was the case he wouldn't had his wounds when he came back to life. That part doesn't makes sense. Izanagi resets your body to the point you activated it with cost of your eye and the amount of chakra for the technique. But he clearly has his stab wound, this shows he used it after he got stabbed.

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Look at Madara's chest. The wound is clearly visible. The point of Izanagi is deleting the unwanted experience, so the presence of that wound clearly shows that Izanagi has been used after he got that wound.

And if Madara used it to reset his body to the state it was in after the stab, he would revive himself with a hole in his chest, and he would die again.

Take your pick.

 

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

Kage Bunshin just splits his chakra in two, it doesn't have a minimum chakra requirement. Since time has passed after his battle with Hashirama, then not only could his chakra level be replenished at least a tiny bit, but also his physical condition was enough that he got out on his own. We don't even know if that hideout was guarded anyway, so he could have just walked right out.

Dead people doesn't replenish chakra. He was just a corpse, his cells which are generating chakra were dead. His phyical condition after his resurrection, him using KB and leaving it to take the role of his corpse in order to not make anyone suspicious shows that he has enough chakra to fight.

Also, Hashirama didn't collapse [

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]. He's quite clearly staying conscious, him kneeling was just the momentary feeling of the massive exhaustion from the battle.

He collapses a moment later. After all the everyone stands before they collapse, thats the point of collapsing. That wasn't seemed momentary to me, he was clearly worned out.

Madara didn't use Izanagi after he got stabbed [

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]. His eyes were normal, which is why he couldn't distinguish Hashirama's Wood Clone, and it's explicitly stated that Izanagi activated itself after his death [

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]. Key sentence: ''With the Mangekyo Sharingan, you can create techniques that would be activated after a certain time."

You're not getting what I'm saying. Madara didn't used Izanagi the moment he got stabbed. He activated it when they were talking. And by activating, I was talking about him preparing it to activate for later. Because if he setted Izanagi before the fight as you believe, he wouldn't had his wound when he was awaken. Stab wound shows that he prepared it after he got stabbed.

He didn't risk anything, since he knows Hashirama better than anyone. He would never let his once best friend's body be defiled, much less Tobirama plunging out his eyes. :|

He was done being friend at their fight. He put his ambition before everything. IT was more important than everything, after all that was the point of leaving the village and challanging Hashirama to death duel.

And what do you think Tobirama took Madara's corpse for ? To experiment on the sharingan. Tobirama didn't listened Hashirama when he created ET either.

And if Madara used it to reset his body to the state it was in after the stab, he would revive himself with a hole in his chest, and he would die again.

Take your pick.

Scan alreadly explains he used Hashirama's DNA to treat his wound, his chest wound is visible as well.

 

[Ambivalence]

Dead people doesn't replenish chakra. He was just a corpse, his cells which are generating chakra were dead. His phyical condition after his resurrection, him using KB and leaving it to take the role of his corpse in order to not make anyone suspicious shows that he has enough chakra to fight.

All he did was make a single KB. That's all. Everything beyond is just speculation on your part. You're saying that Madara could have risked everything on one clone, and somehow that one clone shows that he could continue to fight, which I find hard to believe.

I agree about the chakra replenishment part, though. I shouldn't have said that.

He collapses a moment later. After all the everyone stands before they collapse, thats the point of collapsing. That wasn't seemed momentary to me, he was clearly worned out.

Hashirama was worn out, that doesn't mean he collapsed. Unless you can show me a scan of him lying on the ground, then I'm done with this point. Hashirama didn't collapse.

Lol, if Hashirama collapsed, then Black Zetsu could have just snatched Madara's body here [

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] and brought him to safety.

Madara didn't used Izanagi the moment he got stabbed. He activated it when they were talking. And by activating, I was talking about him preparing it to activate for later. Because if he setted Izanagi before the fight as you believe, he wouldn't had his wound when he was awaken. Stab wound shows that he prepared it after he got stabbed.

So what you're saying is, Madara activated its ''countdown'' while talking, yet you're arguing that he could somehow take on Hashirama when he would have resurrected with a wound on his chest and almost zero chakra?

He was done being friend at their fight. He put his ambition before everything. IT was more important than everything, after all that was the point of leaving the village and challanging Hashirama to death duel.

I was talking about Hashirama, and even though he said that he puts the village before Madara, that doesn't mean that he'll ravage his corpse and let it be defiled. He values the village more, but he still considered Madara his friend, Hashirama was simpl

And what do you think Tobirama took Madara's corpse for ? To experiment on the sharingan. Tobirama didn't listened Hashirama when he created ET either.

ET has nothing to do with this, and I don't know how you assessed Madara somehow witnessed Hashirama's disapproval, so he would be wary of Tobirama's independence. Also, Madara himself knew that he would resurrect soon enough that he'd be able to escape. It's unclear how much time after the battle he chose to set, but it was probably

Lastly, why would Madara bite a chunk out of Hashirama [

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] if he could have just came back and beat him, as you say?

 

[Madara the Solo King]

Madara knew that he didn't have the power to defeat Hashirama so he used his Izanagi to fake his death, which is why he needed Hashirama's flesh.

 

[To Whatever]

Madara wasn't a ****. He wouldn't fight Hashirama when he isn't at 100% or close to it.

 

[UnknownJin]

because ur mother promised Madara she will suck his **** if he spare Hashirama

 

[pakitoT3L3K]

So how did he activate rinnegan if he went blind using izanagi? I haven't stopped asking myself this

 

[maniaoqan]

So how did he activate rinnegan if he went blind using izanagi? I haven't stopped asking myself this

Hashi's DNA prevented Obito from going blind. Maybe he regained his eye the moment he awaken Rinnegan. The awakening might lift the blindness from that eye aside from plot.

OT: I agree, Madara wanted to lay low.

 

[Shino1584]

Hashi's DNA prevented Obito from going blind. Maybe he regained his eye the moment he awaken Rinnegan. The awakening might lift the blindness from that eye aside from plot.

OT: I agree, Madara wanted to lay low.

The regeneration due to Hashirama's cells could have taken some time as well, hence the very late activation of Rinnegan,

 

[DroGGz0r]

But if that was the case he wouldn't had his wounds when he came back to life. That part doesn't makes sense. Izanagi resets your body to the point you activated it with cost of your eye and the amount of chakra for the technique. But he clearly has his stab wound, this shows he used it after he got stabbed.

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Look at Madara's chest. The wound is clearly visible. The point of Izanagi is deleting the unwanted experience, so the presence of that wound clearly shows that Izanagi has been used after he got that wound.

He didn't directly activate Izanagi after he got stabbed. He just set/programmed it (some time before the fight, most probably) to activate after his death, hence why he still had the wounds.

MS gives its user the possibility to set certain techniques to activate after a specific amount of time...

 

[pakitoT3L3K]

Hashi's DNA prevented Obito from going blind. Maybe he regained his eye the moment he awaken Rinnegan. The awakening might lift the blindness from that eye aside from plot.

OT: I agree, Madara wanted to lay low.

Would this mean a rinnegan user can use izanagi limitless?

 

[maniaoqan]

Would this mean a rinnegan user can use izanagi limitless?

Well Izanagi was imperfect version of COAT which we know Hagoromo uses. So it is might be possible.