Sarada's character = BYE BYE UCHIHA CLAN !!!!

[BLAZE]

I didn't agree either. It would have made no difference to you guys so it's irrelevant.

Nope

Sure.

We are done

 

[Υαmí]

I think Sarada will do more good than Itachi too their clan, seeing that he killed 99.9% percent of them. I don't favor.

 

[Izou Xaxa]

I think Sarada will do more good than Itachi too their clan, seeing that he killed 99.9% percent of them. I don't favor.

Itachi had no choice he had to kill them to protect the Village

Itachi is much better than Sarada

 

[Υαmí]

Itachi had no choice he had to kill them to protect the Village

Itachi is much better than Sarada

I'm not talking about choice.

And yes, he is a better character.

 

[Izou Xaxa]

I'm not talking about choice.

And yes, he is a better character.

i see i know what you mean

 

[King Of Pop]

dunno what to say about this thread really.. strange

 

[shelke]

No - I am reminding you that his being an Uzumaki was enough for Madara to chose him.

Besides Nagato Uzumaki was also much older and had time to cultivate and perfect his chakra control. Didn't you notice how much Kakashi improved with his chakra capacity with time?

What does Madara opting for Nagato has anything to do with Naruto? Here is the Viz scan for you again. Read it carefully this time:

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Note how the semantics is working here. Red hair denotes the pure Uzumaki blood within the clan's veins. The dialogue uses the conjunction AND, not OR here. Meaning, distinct Red hair denotes the Uzumaki lineage. Does Naruto have it? Nope.

Let's see the really really strong Uzumaki life-force Naruto has:

Kushina: When the Ninetails was pulled out, Kushina survived long enough. She was taken to safety by Minato, she restrained the nine-tails despite bleeding from her mouth and on her last leg, she also jumped in front of Minato to shield her child whilst Minato couldn't even move an inch. He simply got pushed forward by the force of the claw.

Nagato: He used taxing techniques. Used CT despite bleeding from the mouth. Even when he was so weak, he still had enough within him to bring all killed people within Konoha to back life.

Karin: She got fatally stabbed by Sasuke and still lived long enough to be healed.

Naruto, as soon as the Bijuu was pulled out? Oh wait, he died on the spot - his earth-shattering Stamina and life force never kicked in and dropped before it started. Probably ran out of the fan-fiction gas your argument seems to be running on:

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That's the difference between a pure blooded Uzumaki and a poor's man's Uzumaki running on Kurama's chakra.

And hybrid.. lol You really are too much in to linage thing. But Minato's own chakra level was quite high too even if not on Uzumaki level- he spammed teleportation jutsu in quick sequences so many times and was able to take along the whole kyuubi along with him, redirect Bijju bombs etc. It took four normal nins to use that justu to teleport one Mei using that very tech.

Anyway Kabuto said Uzumaki clan had strong life force. And it was also state that Uzumaki's were distant blood relative of Senjus. So the clan was depicted with slight edge over others more than once.

You pretty much destroyed your own argument with Kabuto's scan. And no, it's not being too much into the lineage (lol), it's about adhering to the logic established by the manga. Nice backpedaling there. He disagrees with you. Which means the manga disagrees with you. He doesn't have the distinct Red hair or the Chakra, meaning, his Life Force isn't strong enough, proven by the fact how he croaked immediately when the Bijuu was pulled out.

I don't give a damn about Minato, when he has no place in this discussion nor does he belong to the Uzumaki clan. His son does share his physical features though. And let's not tread too far into the fiction category when the Manga has said literally nothing about Minato's so-called amazing life force / chakra.

And let's see how many times he healed injuries without Kurama stepping in:

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Kabuto mentions how he cut off the Chakra to kurama to stop his healing:

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Resistance to poison because of Kurama:

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Not to mention when he was healing tiny cuts he got from his fight with Kiba.

Naruto's Uzumaki lineage indeed.

Who else agrees that Kurama is the source of Naruto's abnormal stamina and Healing - above scans:

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There you have it. Case closed!

There are only 3 known Kyuubi jin and all of them are Uzumaki so Uzumaki being container is not a speculation but a fact. Others could have high chakra too and may become one but it was not really tested and they looked for a new jinchuriki among Uzumakies again to bring Kushina in-And Madara picked an Uzumaki for taking care of rinne - a kid who had no training as nin or chakra control at that point. ONly known quality he had was his Uzumaki linage as far as I can recall.

She said she was more special among her clan. So they just picked the best one they could find. Not all Uchihas were on Madara's, Itachi or Sasuke's level either but they would still be an Uchiha with an edge above others as they can activate sharingans. Kyuubi was stongest of them all but all jinchurikies were above averages shinobies even without their bijjus or the sealing wouldn't work.

Naruto isn't Uzumaki. He's Namikaze, actually. There is a reason why he is even called that. Genetically speaking, he's a hybrid at best and I have explained my point. The manga disagrees with you about Kushina:

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Two people being well-suited for the Kurama means the whole clan is? That is not even a sound argument and you have nothing to lean onto here. That is a clear cut scan with zero room to slink around. Not to mention the fact that Naruto became a Jin by accident. He was never intended to be a container.

Yea i remember the part of it " leaking "that's why I had added " effectively " and bolded it. It was designed to get weaker with time and it cracked in Zabuza arc. Kurama had been using this design to leak it's chakra to weaken the seal and overpower Naruto and the side effect was Naruto getting fast healing at the same time it hurt him. ( anime added that detail and manga doesn't contradict this part). The kyuubi chakra did burn Naruto badly when it manifested tails during the confrontation with Oro on the bridge.

Yamato noticed that Kyuubi chakra acted as poison for Sakura but Naruto could withstood it all this time. And concluded that to be able to withstand it and not be overtaken or get hurt to that extent Naruto is powerful by himself too and manga added the bits about uzumakis being related with Senjus and their own special chakras/life force.

Not really:

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How powerful? Powerful is a relative term. Don't try using Sakura whose laughable base reserves probably touch the bottom with Naruto who has pretty decent reserves. Your analogy makes no sense here. How about you compare Naruto to Kushina or Nagato or Karin? When I ask you that, you say "lol lol you are too much into this lineage stuff".

I'll take Kabuto's analysis and the above solid scans over your claims any day.

You said he learned everything by himself. He didn't. Manga tells us Sasuke was taught fire ball jutsu by his father.

His mother offered to practice shuriken with him which refused on grounds that Itachi was better at it. But practicing means he had learned basics already. Chidori is chakra manipulation and it was taught to him by Kakashi. Please re-read the manga.

This is what I said:

He did. Fukagu never taught Sasuke any shape or nature manipulation of the chakra. There is not a single scan to back this up. He learned that technique at the tender age of 7 all on his own.

Jiraiya and Kakashi offered Naruto the same learning prospects. Not to mention the academy where basic things were taught. Too bad Naruto was not bright enough to grasp things like every other kid.

My argument still stands and is still correct. I made no such claims that Sasuke even learned the basics himself. In fact, I did state that all of them had basic learning classes. That includes Sasuke. Read carefully next time. Your argument about Shurikenjutsu is still baseless, when we saw Sasuke practicing it on his own.

Blazing pretty much buried your entire argument into the ground. He saved me a lot of trouble. Teaching someone a bunch of seals means he taught him Nature and Shape Manipulation? It's like suggesting that if Jiraiya had showed Naruto a Rasangan, the training was done.

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These scans prove that his father merely taught him the basics, as I even mentioned. Teaching basics isn't the same thing as a full fledged training. Sasuke learned this all on his own. Seriously? Just accept it. All you are doing is making claims that make your whole argument look really funny.

lol lol Did I say Naruto learned things by himself? Nope. Of course he had teachers. You were the one denying Sasuke having teachers so I reminded you about his teachers. I can provide scans- it's you who only provides essays. Sasuke was a genius and prodigy and what not doesn't mean he came up with his techs out of void.

Look above. I am not responsible for your comprehension troubles.

Nope, I wasn't. If you want to justify inbreeding to enhance chances of sharingan awakening be my guest. I don't care about that part. It still isn't a thread to discuss merits of incest itself.

Merits of incest? This is fiction, sweet-heart.

 

[SenjuOfTheFrost]

you didn't get the point....the Uchiha blood is deluded...

No actually you dont get the point, every Uchiha's blood is diluted (thats the proper spelling by the way) sasuke and itachi's blood is more diluted than their fathers because their mother wasnt an Uchiha, their mother was from another clan; as was their fathers mother, and all the way back to madaras mother, the blood is diluted with every generation, but that doesnt mean they arent as pure. With your logic, every ninja in the nv is a product of extreme incest, which goes to show how incredibly ignorant you are.

 

[the entire forum]

its common knowledge that..... being uchiha makes you god ...in this manga....

 

[shelke]

No actually you dont get the point, every Uchiha's blood is diluted (thats the proper spelling by the way) sasuke and itachi's blood is more diluted than their fathers because their mother wasnt an Uchiha, their mother was from another clan; as was their fathers mother, and all the way back to madaras mother, the blood is diluted with every generation, but that doesnt mean they arent as pure. With your logic, every ninja in the nv is a product of extreme incest, which goes to show how incredibly ignorant you are.

This is a new one.

 

[Narusenpou]

does it really matter now

 

[minamoto]

No actually you dont get the point, every Uchiha's blood is diluted (thats the proper spelling by the way) sasuke and itachi's blood is more diluted than their fathers because their mother wasnt an Uchiha, their mother was from another clan; as was their fathers mother, and all the way back to madaras mother, the blood is diluted with every generation, but that doesnt mean they arent as pure. With your logic, every ninja in the nv is a product of extreme incest, which goes to show how incredibly ignorant you are.

Noo you dont get the point !!!!!

 

[JohnHansa]

what other shinobi in the naruto universe can you say got their surname from their mother???? a true naruto fan would know that the only reason why naruto's surname is "uzumaki" is because the third hokage wanted to protect naruto because if people from other villages found out that naruto is minato's son than he would've been in danger. Naruto doesn't even have the red hair of the uzumaki clan. the reality is that naruto is from the namikaze clan.

 

[Narutohokage324]

lol the guy above me is right to a point^

Naruto did gain powerful chakras from his mother like strong body, life-force, and stamina. That is obvious, the most clear cut example would be when Naruto lost Kurama via Madara, and he was BARELY alive. A regular Jinchuriki would have just died (Example: Gaara)

 

[FearxDeath]

Itachi already killed the uchiha clan.


1 uchiha =/= uchiha clan.


PS: Senju gave the strongest shinobi.

Very well said, 1 Uchiha does not equal an Uchiha Clan. Both the Uchiha clan and the Uzumaki clan are just about dead at this point. And at this point we will begin to see the remaining bloodlines of the Sage and Kaguya slowly being diluted until it is unnoticable. Which builds the framework of the end of the manga.

Its alot like the end of Lord of the Rings where you realizes the war had killed almost all the magical creatures and those that remained sailed away with the elves never to be seen again, leaving the world to mankind.

It creates a progression where you could possibly see the world they live in, one way or another, blending into the one we live it. It becomes less of a fiction and more of a possible history.

 

[Shruikan]

lol the guy above me is right to a point^

Naruto did gain powerful chakras from his mother like strong body, life-force, and stamina. That is obvious, the most clear cut example would be when Naruto lost Kurama via Madara, and he was BARELY alive. A regular Jinchuriki would have just died (Example: Gaara)

It's not on the level of pure blooded uzumakis

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Minamoto is greatness.

 

[Avani 🥈]

what other shinobi in the naruto universe can you say got their surname from their mother???? a true naruto fan would know that the only reason why naruto's surname is "uzumaki" is because the third hokage wanted to protect naruto because if people from other villages found out that naruto is minato's son than he would've been in danger. Naruto doesn't even have the red hair of the uzumaki clan. the reality is that naruto is from the namikaze clan.

Nagato- He got red hair from his mother so that should be the Uzumaki side. His father Ise had black hair and no known clan so far. It was never confirmed whether he was still an Uzumaki or not.

Haku Yuki- His mother's clan was Yuki. His father was a simple no name farmer with no clan.

 

[Endles Waltz]

No actually you dont get the point, every Uchiha's blood is diluted (thats the proper spelling by the way) sasuke and itachi's blood is more diluted than their fathers because their mother wasnt an Uchiha, their mother was from another clan; as was their fathers mother, and all the way back to madaras mother, the blood is diluted with every generation, but that doesnt mean they arent as pure. With your logic, every ninja in the nv is a product of extreme incest, which goes to show how incredibly ignorant you are.

You are right that their blood is diluted, however the bold is not correct. Sasuke's and Itachi's mother is Uchiha Mikoto, now it is unconfirmed whether she took the family name later or if she is indeed originally Uchiha, but based on what we know, which is her appearance and name, she is an Uchiha.

Indra's wife was obviously from a unknown whatever clan, and they probably married outsiders for a few generations, however, once the clan is big enough, marrying distant and non-direct relatives is not considered incest in many cultures, and this is what probably happened with the Uchiha and the Hyuuga(who all have the white eyes). <-- This is probably what Shelke meant by Avani's ignorance when it comes to incest, it differs from culture to culture, and the Uchiha Clan like the Hyuuga was very big.

Although now that the clan is no longer, Sasuke had to marry an outsider. Luckily his daughter ended up inheriting the Uchiha color traits even though his wife has extremely different color traits, dem Uchiha genes. Lol

 

[Avani 🥈]

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What does Madara opting for Nagato has anything to do with Naruto? Here is the Viz scan for you again. Read it carefully this time:

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Note how the semantics is working here. Red hair denotes the pure Uzumaki blood within the clan's veins. The dialogue uses the conjunction AND, not OR here. Meaning, distinct Red hair denotes the Uzumaki lineage. Does Naruto have it? Nope.

Let's see the really really strong Uzumaki life-force Naruto has:

Kushina: When the Ninetails was pulled out, Kushina survived long enough. She was taken to safety by Minato, she restrained the nine-tails despite bleeding from her mouth and on her last leg, she also jumped in front of Minato to shield her child whilst Minato couldn't even move an inch. He simply got pushed forward by the force of the claw.

Nagato: He used taxing techniques. Used CT despite bleeding from the mouth. Even when he was so weak, he still had enough within him to bring all killed people within Konoha to back life.

Karin: She got fatally stabbed by Sasuke and still lived long enough to be healed.

Naruto, as soon as the Bijuu was pulled out? Oh wait, he died on the spot - his earth-shattering Stamina and life force never kicked in and dropped before it started. Probably ran out of the fan-fiction gas your argument seems to be running on:

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That's the difference between a pure blooded Uzumaki and a poor's man's Uzumaki running on Kurama's chakra.



You pretty much destroyed your own argument with Kabuto's scan. And no, it's not being too much into the lineage (lol), it's about adhering to the logic established by the manga. Nice backpedaling there. He disagrees with you. Which means the manga disagrees with you. He doesn't have the distinct Red hair or the Chakra, meaning, his Life Force isn't strong enough, proven by the fact how he croaked immediately when the Bijuu was pulled out.

I don't give a damn about Minato, when he has no place in this discussion nor does he belong to the Uzumaki clan. His son does share his physical features though. And let's not tread too far into the fiction category when the Manga has said literally nothing about Minato's so-called amazing life force / chakra.

And let's see how many times he healed injuries without Kurama stepping in:

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Kabuto mentions how he cut off the Chakra to kurama to stop his healing:

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Resistance to poison because of Kurama:

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Not to mention when he was healing tiny cuts he got from his fight with Kiba.

Naruto's Uzumaki lineage indeed.

Who else agrees that Kurama is the source of Naruto's abnormal stamina and Healing - above scans:

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There you have it. Case closed!



Naruto isn't Uzumaki. He's Namikaze, actually. There is a reason why he is even called that. Genetically speaking, he's a hybrid at best and I have explained my point. The manga disagrees with you about Kushina:

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Two people being well-suited for the Kurama means the whole clan is? That is not even a sound argument and you have nothing to lean onto here. That is a clear cut scan with zero room to slink around. Not to mention the fact that Naruto became a Jin by accident. He was never intended to be a container.



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How powerful? Powerful is a relative term. Don't try using Sakura whose laughable base reserves probably touch the bottom with Naruto who has pretty decent reserves. Your analogy makes no sense here. How about you compare Naruto to Kushina or Nagato or Karin? When I ask you that, you say "lol lol you are too much into this lineage stuff".

I'll take Kabuto's analysis and the above solid scans over your claims any day.



This is what I said:



My argument still stands and is still correct. I made no such claims that Sasuke even learned the basics himself. In fact, I did state that all of them had basic learning classes. That includes Sasuke. Read carefully next time. Your argument about Shurikenjutsu is still baseless, when we saw Sasuke practicing it on his own.

Blazing pretty much buried your entire argument into the ground. He saved me a lot of trouble. Teaching someone a bunch of seals means he taught him Nature and Shape Manipulation? It's like suggesting that if Jiraiya had showed Naruto a Rasangan, the training was done.

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These scans prove that his father merely taught him the basics, as I even mentioned. Teaching basics isn't the same thing as a full fledged training. Sasuke learned this all on his own. Seriously? Just accept it. All you are doing is making claims that make your whole argument look really funny.



Look above. I am not responsible for your comprehension troubles.



Merits of incest? This is fiction, sweet-heart.

Yay for pointless essay( mostly repeating same stuff variously) and scans to prove things which were not questioned in the first place!

Kabuto's didn't give much of an analysis. He gave an statement which told us two facts-

1)Uzumaki clan had long vitality= whatever the sentence be- Greater life force or comparing them with roaches- the later seems to be Viz trying to be fancy but meaning remains the same.

2)Second was that Karin was an Uzumaki.

The image of Uzumakies in the scan you posted, includes Nagato- about whom it was not confirmed if his both parents were Uzumaki. His father's hair colour was shown black. ( Rinne with black haired father had cause many theories speculating him being an Uchiha, once upon a time).

So there goes "pure blood" Uzumaki being the only Uzumaki claim and renders most of your arguments and scan meaningless. At least till we get some confirmation if Ise was an Uzumaki or not.

Thus Naruto is only half an Uzumaki - but he does have Uzumaki blood in him and some of the traits even if not as much as Kushina. He has much right to claim being part of Uzumaki clan as Nagato even if you doubt his own chakra capacity. For both got it from their mother's side only. Genetically speaking, both are "hybrid" as you preferred to put it.

Naruto didn't die immediately either ( as much as you seem to want it) after Kurama extraction like Gara had died after shukaku was extracted. He was unconscious and in critical condition but still alive. To be a real jinchurki or resealing a bijju the host has to be alive. There is nothing in the manga to suggest that anyone can resurrect a dead person by sealing a bijju in him after he was already dead. Sakura helped in keeping him from dying but if he was already dead she wouldn't have been able to revive him either.

Nagato, Kushina or Karin having special chakra is their individual specialty. It's hardly that different than people in other clans- Not all Uchihas were at Madara's level. In the whole Uhiha clan the most special ones can be counted on one hand. Not all Uchihas had awakened sharingan ( especially no known female character with sharingan) but there was always a chance that they would and some would have more OP sharingan than others. Same with Uzumakies.

Repeating same thing in a dozen manners and claiming to be correct doesn't make you correct seeing in all your argument, you never considered that we are not sure if his father was even a part of a clan let alone the Uzumaki clan.

As for Sasuke:

First off the post you quoted as yours is the wrong one. I was referring to the post you had made before that one. Here:

Also, Sasuke learned everything on his own as well. His father never taught him anything.

Even if he only taught him basics, you cannot claim that extreme words like " everything on his own" and " never taught him". So it's nice to see that you are back paddling enough to accommodate that he did teach him something even if it was only basic of how to use great fire ball jutsu.


I posted scan where Fugaku clearly explained the method to perform the fireball jutsu:

"You were taught the seals a while ago.To use it you must draw your chakra from your mouth to your chest, and hold it there and then immediately blow it out right", said Fugaku. For a C ranked relatively simple jutsu, how much explanation was needed? Rest depended on how much chakra Sasuke could manage to draw in and blow out.

Sasuke tried it but managed to get only a small fire ball:

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Fugaku just figured that Sasuke was still too young to teach it, seeing the tiny fire ball. Later, he appreciated it when Sasuke was able to perform it.

You and Blazing want to deny that- then it's your personal issue. It has no affect me because I am not going to "unsee" things that I can see, on your asking or because of your talent for petty insults. So I disagree.

This is probably what Shelke meant by Avani's ignorance when it comes to incest, it differs from culture to culture, and the Uchiha Clan like the Hyuuga was very big.

That was just Shelke if he made such a claim. I am from South Asia. One cannot remain ignorant of what it means within different communities even if they want to if they live here this long.