[Discussion] Luffy vs Law

[saw2097]

Law without a doubt is stronger, his abilities and intelligence has even caused him to be a nuisance for Doffy even though he's low on stamina, been repeatedly beat to a pulp, and left with only one arm. And the guys arm alone separated from his body was able to solo Trebol a top executive and cause him to commit suicide in hopes of taking Law with him. A nearly half dead Law btw, this guy has been overused and has lately been used as if he's the protagonist. Its like its been made so obvious that Law is >Luffy.

Interesting thought line, when Luffy sent Trebol flying with one kick, and Law only got Trebol because it was a surprise attack and Trebol dropped his guard in anger.

Same with the knife, Dolamingo dropped his guard and even then he knit his organs back together and smashed Law right back into the ground, then mocked Law.

And used as if he is the protagonist, is that why Luffy had to rescue him twice and Law has openly stated that he has complete faith that the Strawhats will bring down Doflamingo, not to mention every other person on the entire island believes the same.

Also the only reason Law is alive, is because Luffy shielded Law with one foot and Luffy and Doflamingo were able to perform kicks that when colliding cracked the entire mountain.

I said it before and I will say it again, Law is vastly overrated, heck just look at the entire arc, the Strawhats have van guarded a revolution that brought Doflamingo's entire organization down in a day, something Law wasn't able to do despite it being his life's goal.

 

[ahmo]

Luffy, extreme diff

 

[Bogard]

I think people are heavily forgetting that since his introduction in Punk Hazard, Law always had heavy advantage in information comparatively to the opponents he faced unlike the strawhats. Sanji never knew Vergo, Law did. Sanji or Luffy had no idea concerning Doflamingo's ability when Law had full knowledge and he was transferring his knowledge to Luffy before or mid battle

Law had full knowledge on Trebol when Luffy didn't and it's for that reason he knew how to hit him when Luffy didn't. Law probably also had full knowledge on Pica when Zoro had none. This advantage in information affected his performance better than the strawhats, making him perform better because more efficient while already knowing everything concerning his opponents since previous partners of his since his youth

That's exactly why that statement isn't credible.

More like the contrary. He know Law since his youth when he only saw Luffy once(in the war of the best), yet he estimated him to be stronger because he perceived greater potential in him in one go. And it's understandable conssidering how hyped conqueror haki is in this manga, yet Luffy has this when Law doesn't

 

[Punk Hazard]

Interesting thought line, when Luffy sent Trebol flying with one kick, and Law only got Trebol because it was a surprise attack and Trebol dropped his guard in anger.

Same with the knife, Dolamingo dropped his guard and even then he knit his organs back together and smashed Law right back into the ground, then mocked Law.

And used as if he is the protagonist, is that why Luffy had to rescue him twice and Law has openly stated that he has complete faith that the Strawhats will bring down Doflamingo, not to mention every other person on the entire island believes the same.

Also the only reason Law is alive, is because Luffy shielded Law with one foot and Luffy and Doflamingo were able to perform kicks that when colliding cracked the entire mountain.

I said it before and I will say it again, Law is vastly overrated, heck just look at the entire arc, the Strawhats have van guarded a revolution that brought Doflamingo's entire organization down in a day, something Law wasn't able to do despite it being his life's goal.

It's working both ways right now.

Luffy sent Trebol flying with one kick while Trebol was in a fit of rage and had all of his attention directed towards Law. In other words, it was just as much as a sneak attack as Law's Radio Knife.

Same thing happened with Red Hawk, except at least Gamma Knife did more damage.

And Law has rescued Luffy. I don't see your point.

The only reason Luffy is matching Doffy is because of the damage that was done by the Luffy-Law teamwork.

It's not that Law was never able to do it, he was just waiting. He and his crew were separated, and Law was on Punk Hazard with the intention of betraying Caesar once the right time came. The Strawhats' presence was convenient and he decided to use them to act his revolution now. If the Strawhats had never came, he would have just found some other means of doing so. They were not his only option of taking revenge.

I think people are heavily forgetting that since his introduction in Punk Hazard, Law always had heavy advantage in information comparatively to the opponents he faced unlike the strawhats. Sanji never knew Vergo, Law did. Sanji or Luffy had no idea concerning Doflamingo's ability when Law had full knowledge and he was transferring his knowledge to Luffy before or mid battle

Law had full knowledge on Trebol when Luffy didn't and it's for that reason he knew how to hit him when Luffy didn't. Law probably also had full knowledge on Pica when Zoro had none. This advantage in information affected his performance better than the strawhats, making him perform better because more efficient while already knowing everything concerning his opponents since previous partners of his since his youth


More like the contrary. He know Law since his youth when he only saw Luffy once(in the war of the best), yet he estimated him to be stronger because he perceived greater potential in him in one go. And it's understandable conssidering how hyped conqueror haki is in this manga, yet Luffy has this when Law doesn't

No dude. The fact that he only saw Luffy once means he had no idea what Luffy could do post-skip, so Doffy's estimation of his abilities is nothing more than a guess, which isn't reliable for anything.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I want you to know that nobody is going to take you serious in any doflamingo or Law threads because you post the dumbest and most biased crap ever.

Gamma knife is as useless as countershock is to luffy.

It's useless, he is made of rubber.

Again:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You do know that's you right? I was trying to avoid ad hominem, but it seems as though that's the way you want to go. Do you ever realize that whenever you post in this section, the only replies you ever get are people disagreeing with you? That's because you have an extremely poor understanding of the story. You're the joke of this section. No one takes you seriously because you're just some kid who resorts to ad hominem jabs, insults, swearing and self-proclamation of smart you are and how dumb any and everyone who disagree with you are. You are not a debater, you're a child with a keyboard and a voice fueled by a lack of reading comprehension.

We don't know whether or not Law's powers are actually lightning. Even Haki and Fujitora's gravity was seen creating lightning-like effects, and we know that's not actually lightning, so it's not like it's impossible for an ability to look like lightning and not be lightning. Even if it was, Gamma Knife works through sharp means, like an actually blade, tearing the organs apart after piercing the body. Even if doesn't electrocute Luffy, the sharp aspect would be effective. The fact that Luffy is immune to lightning would probably cause him to drop his guard against it and end up being ****ed.

Besides, did I even say Gamma Knife? No, I said his cutting ability. There goes your piss-poor reading comprehension again.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Law med difficulty.

Luffy constantly throws his limbs at his opponent the moment he does that Law takes his arm off. Or he could simply due to Luffy what he did to Vergo.​

 

[silmarill]

With all the hype the SH and Luffy in particulair have received in this story by a number of keyfigures there is no way I will believe law is stronger. it does not make a spek of sense unless he is some sort of wonder boy in the shadows i'm not buying it.

 

[TheHokage]

Depends really...if Luffy is serious and actively trying to avoid Law's abilities I think Luffy could push him to a high diff fight, however if Luffy charged in without any common sense he would get mid diff'd.

Law has to be the worst type of fighter for Luffy. Luffy uses a more brawl type of fighting style and against someone like Law who can beat you with one shot at the slightest distraction I just don't see how Luffy could come out the winner despite the whole 'but Luffy hasn't gone all out' excuse people like to throw. Newsflash we don't know how much we've seen of Luffy he himself states he always fights seriously and I doubt he'd hold back against Doflamingo.

Take into consideration Law is literally so OP if Doflamingo didn't have his convenient stitching of his organs ability Law could actually one shot Doflamingo...just throwing it out there.

 

[silmarill]

Depends really...if Luffy is serious and actively trying to avoid Law's abilities I think Luffy could push him to a high diff fight, however if Luffy charged in without any common sense he would get mid diff'd.

Law has to be the worst type of fighter for Luffy. Luffy uses a more brawl type of fighting style and against someone like Law who can beat you with one shot at the slightest distraction I just don't see how Luffy could come out the winner despite the whole 'but Luffy hasn't gone all out' excuse people like to throw. Newsflash we don't know how much we've seen of Luffy he himself states he always fights seriously and I doubt he'd hold back against Doflamingo.

Take into consideration Law is literally so OP if Doflamingo didn't have his convenient stitching of his organs ability Law could actually one shot Doflamingo...just throwing it out there.

The only reason Gamma knife hit was because Luffy was there to distract. Law never even tried to use if when he fought Doffy alone. In my book that means the technique is as good as useless in a 1 on 1

 

[Punk Hazard]

The only reason Gamma knife hit was because Luffy was there to distract. Law never even tried to use if when he fought Doffy alone. In my book that means the technique is as good as useless in a 1 on 1

By that logic, Red Hawk is useless in a 1 vs 1 because it was only used in this fight with the same tactic. Law not trying to use it on Doffy does not mean he wouldn't use it on Luffy.

 

[TheHokage]

The only reason Gamma knife hit was because Luffy was there to distract. Law never even tried to use if when he fought Doffy alone. In my book that means the technique is as good as useless in a 1 on 1

But Law doesn't need Luffy alone to cause a distraction hence the reason Law was able to hit Doflamingo with an injection shot without any assistance from Luffy. Law knows how to upset Doflamingo which makes him careless fact is without some convenient ability to heal or patch up one's organs Law's Gamma Knife is a one shot move which isn't that surprising. Law has taken out most people with one shot moves...Vergo and Smoker etc.

Luffy wouldn't even be landing hits on Doflamingo if it wasn't for Law.

 

[silmarill]

But Law doesn't need Luffy alone to cause a distraction hence the reason Law was able to hit Doflamingo with an injection shot without any assistance from Luffy. Law knows how to upset Doflamingo which makes him careless fact is without some convenient ability to heal or patch up one's organs Law's Gamma Knife is a one shot move which isn't that surprising. Law has taken out most people with one shot moves...Vergo and Smoker etc.

Luffy wouldn't even be landing hits on Doflamingo if it wasn't for Law.

And why is that?.. Just because he tried to hit Doffy a few times and he dodged means he won't be able hit him? U gauge the way a battle would go just bcs Luffy could not hit Doffy in the 30 sec they faced eachother ?
And just because Law could use injection shot does not mean he could do the same with Gamma knife, he said it clearly himself , he was waiting all this time for this one chance, this one opening..which he did not have when facing Doffy on his own..If Law could have one shotted Doffy from the get go by angering him a little he would have. And don't say plot nerfed him.

 

[saw2097]

But Law doesn't need Luffy alone to cause a distraction hence the reason Law was able to hit Doflamingo with an injection shot without any assistance from Luffy. Law knows how to upset Doflamingo which makes him careless fact is without some convenient ability to heal or patch up one's organs Law's Gamma Knife is a one shot move which isn't that surprising. Law has taken out most people with one shot moves...Vergo and Smoker etc.

Luffy wouldn't even be landing hits on Doflamingo if it wasn't for Law.

Do you have any proof that Luffy can't hit Doflamingo without Law?

Because even Law remarks that Luffy can beat Doflamingo and the Strawhats will bring down his organization (which they have).

In fact, he said that Doflamingo didn't have a chance and didn't know what he was getting into.


Also when nose to nose with someone, its pretty hard to miss so there is no reason to believe that he could dodge at point blank range even if Law didn't scratch him with his knife. Also most importantly, is that Doflamingo has yet to go all out, the main villain never does until the last chapter or two of the fight, so Law's attack hasn't helped at all, up to this point, and ultimately it will come down to Luffy to beat his strongest attack.

Also coming back to the remark about Conqueror's Haki, this is actually a excellent point, Doflamingo took out Law without even using his and started using it when confronted by Luffy.

This further proves that Doflamingo has been holding back and Luffy is forcing him to get serious.

If he fights Law, Luffy can use his Conqueror's Haki to his advantage as Law doesn't have that ability and with the fights against Chinjao and now Doflamingo, its been shown that pirates that have this ability are on a completely different level than others.

Luffy and Doflamingo's CoC cracked a mountain and Luffy and Chinjao's CoC cracked a stadium.


And most importantly of all, the main villain never shows their strongest move until the last chapter or two of the fight, so Doflamingo still has tricks we haven't seen yet.

But naturally Luffy will beat him anyway, so Law's attack is a mute point because if it did as much damage as some are claiming then we will never see Doflamingo's full power and get a boring and anti-climatic ending.

Proving that Luffy is vastly more powerful than Law, as he would have to be to bring down Doflamingo. Plus if Luffy can't beat Doflamingo's full power, than he doesn't have a chance at toppling the Yonko.

 

[TheHokage]

And why is that?.. Just because he tried to hit Doffy a few times and he dodged means he won't be able hit him? U gauge the way a battle would go just bcs Luffy could not hit Doffy in the 30 sec they faced eachother ?
And just because Law could use injection shot does not mean he could do the same with Gamma knife, he said it clearly himself , he was waiting all this time for this one chance, this one opening..which he did not have when facing Doffy on his own..If Law could have one shotted Doffy from the get go by angering him a little he would have. And don't say plot nerfed him.

Luffy when he was battling a healthy Doflamingo was only ever able to land hits when Law either assisted or when Law critically injured Doflamingo...this is fact every hit you'll ever see Luffy hit on Doflamingo so far has been under these circumstances. Plot does nerf Law it also overpowers him at times for instance why didn't Law use Gamma Knife on Vergo while Smoker was fighting him? Plain fact is without Law injuring Doflamingo as he has Luffy would not be able to fight so 'evenly' with the Joker.

Do you have any proof that Luffy can't hit Doflamingo without Law?

Because even Law remarks that Luffy can beat Doflamingo and the Strawhats will bring down his organization (which they have).

In fact, he said that Doflamingo didn't have a chance and didn't know what he was getting into.

Do you have proof he could? Read my comment above the only times Luffy has hit Doflamingo is under those two circumstances. Also Law's comments were used to anger Doflamingo and make his sloppy in fighting. At that time Law was still gunning for Kaidou to take out Doflamingo Law never planned on him or Luffy even fighting him he was planning on indirectly taking out Doflamingo. What the other crew members do is irrelevant.

Also when nose to nose with someone, its pretty hard to miss so there is no reason to believe that he could dodge at point blank range even if Law didn't scratch him with his knife. Also most importantly, is that Doflamingo has yet to go all out, the main villain never does until the last chapter or two of the fight, so Law's attack hasn't helped at all, up to this point, and ultimately it will come down to Luffy to beat his strongest attack.

Scratch? Try completely damage his internal organs which to most people would kill them. Doflamingo has shown when not injured he can handle Luffy at close range. Also saying someone 'hasn't gone all out yet' is basically saying 'I can't prove my argument right now' purely speculation with no basis to back it up.

Also coming back to the remark about Conqueror's Haki, this is actually a excellent point, Doflamingo took out Law without even using his and started using it when confronted by Luffy.

This further proves that Doflamingo has been holding back and Luffy is forcing him to get serious.

And their CoC did what exactly to each other? Nothing. Doflamingo wouldn't have been able to take Law out with CoC it only works on fodder. It's grasping at straws to base Luffy being stronger on the basis Doflamingo is using CoC when it would be pointless for him to do so against Law when Law doesn't have it.

If he fights Law, Luffy can use his Conqueror's Haki to his advantage as Law doesn't have that ability and with the fights against Chinjao and now Doflamingo, its been shown that pirates that have this ability are on a completely different level than others.

Luffy and Doflamingo's CoC cracked a mountain and Luffy and Chinjao's CoC cracked a stadium.

Again CoC did nothing...cracked scenery wow. It was totally a game changer in the fight Luffy would have never won without using CoC on Chinjao his 'Thor Elephant Gun' did nothing it was all CoC.

Also just because someone has CoC doesn't put them above those without it...that's the most ridiculous logic I've ever seen so you're implying Chinjao>Law because Chinjao has CoC? Okay.

And most importantly of all, the main villain never shows their strongest move until the last chapter or two of the fight, so Doflamingo still has tricks we haven't seen yet.

Another 'I can't prove my point but I'm going to speculate and pass it off as a fact' comment I see. (For the record I think Doflamingo has some things left up his sleeve but he's considerably weakened now due to Law's offence so even if Luffy does beat Doflamingo 'on his own' without any further assistance it's still not as impressive as injuring a healthy Doflamingo.

But naturally Luffy will beat him anyway, so Law's attack is a mute point because if it did as much damage as some are claiming then we will never see Doflamingo's full power and get a boring and anti-climatic ending.

No it would show Doflamingo is a level above Luffy like the majority of people can see and in order for Luffy to win he needs the advantage against some like Doflamingo. Delude yourself all you want Doflamingo will not be at full power in this fight now and to be honest it would be an asspull for Luffy to beat him at full power considering Law who in my opinion is actually stronger than Luffy couldn't even push him to high diff.

Proving that Luffy is vastly more powerful than Law, as he would have to be to bring down Doflamingo. Plus if Luffy can't beat Doflamingo's full power, than he doesn't have a chance at toppling the Yonko.

Yeah because Luffy being 'vastly more powerful' than his rivals wouldn't be boring. Quit dreaming Luffy is not vastly more powerful than Law. Well no one in their right mind should think Luffy could take down a Yonkou at this point he only had two years of training and considering prior to this he was struggling against a Pacifista I don't see how Luffy would take out a Yonkou at this point by 'himself'.

 

[saw2097]

Luffy when he was battling a healthy Doflamingo was only ever able to land hits when Law either assisted or when Law critically injured Doflamingo...this is fact every hit you'll ever see Luffy hit on Doflamingo so far has been under these circumstances. Plot does nerf Law it also overpowers him at times for instance why didn't Law use Gamma Knife on Vergo while Smoker was fighting him? Plain fact is without Law injuring Doflamingo as he has Luffy would not be able to fight so 'evenly' with the Joker.



Do you have proof he could? Read my comment above the only times Luffy has hit Doflamingo is under those two circumstances. Also Law's comments were used to anger Doflamingo and make his sloppy in fighting. At that time Law was still gunning for Kaidou to take out Doflamingo Law never planned on him or Luffy even fighting him he was planning on indirectly taking out Doflamingo. What the other crew members do is irrelevant.



Scratch? Try completely damage his internal organs which to most people would kill them. Doflamingo has shown when not injured he can handle Luffy at close range. Also saying someone 'hasn't gone all out yet' is basically saying 'I can't prove my argument right now' purely speculation with no basis to back it up.



And their CoC did what exactly to each other? Nothing. Doflamingo wouldn't have been able to take Law out with CoC it only works on fodder. It's grasping at straws to base Luffy being stronger on the basis Doflamingo is using CoC when it would be pointless for him to do so against Law when Law doesn't have it.



Again CoC did nothing...cracked scenery wow. It was totally a game changer in the fight Luffy would have never won without using CoC on Chinjao his 'Thor Elephant Gun' did nothing it was all CoC.

Also just because someone has CoC doesn't put them above those without it...that's the most ridiculous logic I've ever seen so you're implying Chinjao>Law because Chinjao has CoC? Okay.



Another 'I can't prove my point but I'm going to speculate and pass it off as a fact' comment I see. (For the record I think Doflamingo has some things left up his sleeve but he's considerably weakened now due to Law's offence so even if Luffy does beat Doflamingo 'on his own' without any further assistance it's still not as impressive as injuring a healthy Doflamingo.



No it would show Doflamingo is a level above Luffy like the majority of people can see and in order for Luffy to win he needs the advantage against some like Doflamingo. Delude yourself all you want Doflamingo will not be at full power in this fight now and to be honest it would be an asspull for Luffy to beat him at full power considering Law who in my opinion is actually stronger than Luffy couldn't even push him to high diff.



Yeah because Luffy being 'vastly more powerful' than his rivals wouldn't be boring. Quit dreaming Luffy is not vastly more powerful than Law. Well no one in their right mind should think Luffy could take down a Yonkou at this point he only had two years of training and considering prior to this he was struggling against a Pacifista I don't see how Luffy would take out a Yonkou at this point by 'himself'.

Excuses and more excuses.

If King's Haki isn't special then why does everyone wank it and the executives made Doflamingo their king based on him having it.

Everyone calls it the chosen ones power.

And Law being Luffy's rival?

Ha.

He lost the right a long time ago, Luffy saved him twice and is taking his revenge for him. Heck Luffy already declared him a friend, and as seen throughout the entire series, once Luffy decides you are a friend its sticks regardless of if they like it or not.

Law is not a rival period, he just refuses to admit Luffy is his friend.

And as for Luffy hitting Dolfamingo, once again you ignore the issue that this was the first time they fought at point blank range, you can't miss someone at point blank no matter how fast they are. Dolfamingo didn't need to be injured for Luffy to hit him when they are nose to nose.

Edit: Oh and if it only worked on fodder, why do the ones who have it keep using it on each other, clearly it has other uses, Luffy and Doflamingo cracked the entire mountain during their CoC.

 

[silmarill]

Luffy when he was battling a healthy Doflamingo '.

Yea can u please link me to that big fight?
Oh u mean those 2 little encounters they had which did not last longer than a measly what? 30 seconds
Seriously how can people say 'Luffy can't touch Dofalmingo if it wasn't for Law' if we haven't even seen him fight

 

[Angelic.]

law. the guy wont quit xD

 

[Dragonball19]

Law right now

 

[zamki]

law. the guy wont quit xD

Rob Lucci disagrees .

 

[TheHokage]

Excuses and more excuses.

If King's Haki isn't special then why does everyone wank it and the executives made Doflamingo their king based on him having it.

Everyone calls it the chosen ones power.

I'm not saying it isn't special...fact is though in the fight it literally did nothing. If anyone is making excuses it's you by trying to put across CoC is at this point some epic game changer when in fact it's done nothing as of yet.

And Law being Luffy's rival?

Ha.

He lost the right a long time ago, Luffy saved him twice and is taking his revenge for him. Heck Luffy already declared him a friend, and as seen throughout the entire series, once Luffy decides you are a friend its sticks regardless of if they like it or not.

Law is not a rival period, he just refuses to admit Luffy is his friend.

Wow Law's saved Luffy's life and actually he's not taking revenge for him he's fighting for his own reason. Law has done serious damage to Doflamingo, something Luffy hasn't done as of yet. So what if Luffy's declared him as a friend their both pirates Kidd and Law have shown interest in going for the One Piece and believe it or not this will clash with Luffy's goals. Also just because people are friends it doesn't mean they can't be rivals take Roger for example he considered Whitebeard his friend and they were rivals.

And as for Luffy hitting Dolfamingo, once again you ignore the issue that this was the first time they fought at point blank range, you can't miss someone at point blank no matter how fast they are. Dolfamingo didn't need to be injured for Luffy to hit him when they are nose to nose.

Uhm yeah they can, I'm not ignoring the issue your just not seeing my argument back to it. Fact is we never seen Luffy attack a healthy Doflamingo at close range so all we can do is speculate. However saying Luffy would have been able to hit Doflamingo at point blank range is an opinion none the less since we never seen it happen.

Edit: Oh and if it only worked on fodder, why do the ones who have it keep using it on each other, clearly it has other uses, Luffy and Doflamingo cracked the entire mountain during their CoC.

Okay then explain to me how CoC affects Luffy or Doflamingo in a fight. Cracking a mountain is irrelevant in 1 on 1 fight.

Yea can u please link me to that big fight?
Oh u mean those 2 little encounters they had which did not last longer than a measly what? 30 seconds
Seriously how can people say 'Luffy can't touch Dofalmingo if it wasn't for Law' if we haven't even seen him fight

Yeah I do mean 'those' two little encounters because it portrays Doflamingo as superior to Luffy when he's healthy and stop making excuses for Luffy if it was any other character you wouldn't be defending them. Fact is when Doflamingo was healthy the only time Luffy landed a hit was when Law assisted in a strategy which involved shambles and a red hawk.