[Discussion] Why do people still think Vergo is way strong then he really is ?
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To be fair, cutting one person's Koka doesn't mean you can cut another's. Vergo was portrayed as stronger than Pica, so it's not unreasonable for one to assume that Vergo's Koka is stronger as well.
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Nope. I'm saying it's not unreasonable to say him cutting Pica doesn't mean he can cut Vergo. I don't know whether or not he can cut Vergo.
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i doubt zoro can cut vergo's haki like he did to pica but he can cut it to an extend where he can win and damage vergo
Vergo is clearly not the strongest of the executives, Law put much more effort into killing Trebol than he did Vergo.
He even said that he's been trying for years to kill that "paper shithead."
Pica's full body Haki is just as featless as Vergo's full body Haki.
But it's clear as day that Pica was way stronger Vergo, and maybe even Trebol as well.
Luffy, Zoro, Doffy, Law, Pica, and Trebol>>> Vergo
He even said that he's been trying for years to kill that "paper shithead."
Pica's full body Haki is just as featless as Vergo's full body Haki.
But it's clear as day that Pica was way stronger Vergo, and maybe even Trebol as well.
Luffy, Zoro, Doffy, Law, Pica, and Trebol>>> Vergo
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threw that perspective luffy can one shot law too, matter afact , almost any decently strong character can one shot any other character given the right circumstances..
lawls doflo fan boy. maybe sanji and smoker, but no to zoro
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Zoro already has strong CoA and sharp objects are harder to defend against with CoA so Zoro should be able to cut him.
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Not really. Luffy doesn't have any moves in his arsenal that are capable of putting down Law if it's the only move that hits, aside from Elephant Gatling, but that's not really a one-shot. Law's powers, on the other hand, are very much catered to a one-shotting style.
Accelerating at speeds like that, it's not that impressive to make a cut like that. To be honest, I found the Pica FBH cut more impressive.
OT: Vergo is stronger than Smoker/Zoro/Sanji. He's Doffy's first mate and Sanji got outclassed pretty easily by Vergo.
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I wld wager the reason Vergo gets put in a position higher than his worth is coz PH and some events from DR kinda bàcked some fans into a corner. Some pple r very adamant to the one piece strenght list is linear theory and the coz thats how its always been excuse.
The truth is Vergo outclassed Sanji(who does have legit excuses though) and Smoker in PH but thanx to Oda mirroring Vergo's defeat and Pica's some folks(and I) see it as a sign that the author saw Vergo and Pica being of similar strengt, which is below the upgraded and shown Worst Gen listers.
The other reason(its always been so) is really mostly denial in the Smoker is and shall always b closest to Luffy belief getting smashed. PH was Smoker's crucible and from it he will pull up his stockins and hopefully become a true rival coz really in paradise all he had and needed was Logia defense but in NW thats nothing special and haki plus creativity and loads of strenght r what makes u not get wreckt. Pekoms didnt just mean Caribou when he said that ol famous logia get wreckt here line.
Im waiting for Sanji's all out but maybe Oda is trying to show how tough he has gotten by having him go thru these tough times(no wins but will b there till the penalties kinda thing), this might b Sanji's extra crucible though thats mean coz damn that all man Island is one hell of a crucible.
The truth is Vergo outclassed Sanji(who does have legit excuses though) and Smoker in PH but thanx to Oda mirroring Vergo's defeat and Pica's some folks(and I) see it as a sign that the author saw Vergo and Pica being of similar strengt, which is below the upgraded and shown Worst Gen listers.
The other reason(its always been so) is really mostly denial in the Smoker is and shall always b closest to Luffy belief getting smashed. PH was Smoker's crucible and from it he will pull up his stockins and hopefully become a true rival coz really in paradise all he had and needed was Logia defense but in NW thats nothing special and haki plus creativity and loads of strenght r what makes u not get wreckt. Pekoms didnt just mean Caribou when he said that ol famous logia get wreckt here line.
Im waiting for Sanji's all out but maybe Oda is trying to show how tough he has gotten by having him go thru these tough times(no wins but will b there till the penalties kinda thing), this might b Sanji's extra crucible though thats mean coz damn that all man Island is one hell of a crucible.
Uhm the difference between Pica's and Vergo's defeat was Vergo had some real credible Haki feats to go with his full body. For all we know Zoro cut through Pica's Haki which was at the level of Bellemy. If Oda really wanted to mirror the situations between Pica and Vergo he should have given Pica some Haki feats before having him defeated. FBH does not equal the strength of someone's Haki.
Also it's irrelevant to the thread but Smoker doesn't rely on his fruit it amazes me to see people always say this he fights with his fists and uses his fruit abilities to enhance the power of his physical capabilities it's no different to how Luffy uses his power to make his punches stronger... The only time Smoker has ever used devil fruit abilities at an excessive amount was when he purposely did it to distract Vergo...not to mention someone who just relies on his fruit wouldn't develop CoA (Ace, Crocodile, Cabirou, Caesar etc...) Smoker is the only logia with the exception of the Admirals and Sabo to show CoA.
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Vergo was the hype tool for FBH while both of them served as the tools to show jist how much the 2yrs changed pple in similar positions as Law and Zoro. The worst gen rookies r going for the records which is the era of legends so them shuttering pple(lackeys too in this case) from a record that pales in comparison to their aim is no surprise.
It is tru that Smoker did develop other abilities out of his df for post skip and his fighting style is more like Luffy but what differs is that in paradise his logia powers made it seem as though he was lightyears in front while as far as strenght he was really in the same zone(in EL Luffy might have even pulled way ahead). His new abilities post skip when compared to him PrS(pre skip) r great and all but compared to Luffy now as it stands giving him a mid diff loss is fair but with a pinch of lineancy. Basically the Vergo thing ties in with this coz he beat Smoker so its kinda hard to swallow for some when Vergo is put under the likes of Zoro coz that wld mean the likes of Zoro>Smoker. (yah i used evasive wording somewhere there coz well i like my throat).
But my point is Vergo's Haki had feats to go along with his FBH while Pica's didn't. Just because two people can use FBH it doesn't mean their FBH is of the same level.
I don't care if people think Zoro>Smoker, honestly I've defended the point where I don't care because I realize I'm arguing with people who refuse to see my argument. Also I don't see how Luffy would mid diff Smoker at all, I'd like to see where that basis comes from.
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Tru that vergo had shown Haki prior to his FBh but his fbh is his best haki feat and probably the jewel in his arsenal and that got 1hit by Law with his probable strenght based strongest attack(coz i wld say gamma knife is effect based) similar to how Pica got beat by Zoro's Ogi(s) which is maybe Zoro's strongest attack set. I myself do place Vergo over Pica in just Haki but overally they r equal(ish), what is symbolic for me however is the manner in which Oda chose to have them defeated.
Well with current standings at what lvl and who the victor wld say Luffy vs Smoker goes?
For me its m diff as i said coz after removing the 'well he's smoker' point from the verdict I understand he maybe a challenge but i see Luffy being a better and stronger brawler and with G3 current attacks i dont see Smoker getting up from a barrage of those after G2 anc base work him up close to his weary PH form.
Ah don't get me wrong I to found it symbolic that both Pica and Vergo were taken out when using FBH however there was nothing really to indicate Pica's Haki durability you know? For example Pica might have had the Haki durability of Bellamy and just coeated his body in that level of Haki. Again Oda made it very difficult for us to gauge Pica's strength purely because all we seen from him was that he had a very good offence and defense. We seen him wield a sword but we never got any feats from him to show he was good with it. I just feel if Pica's Haki was excellent it should have had a feat to go along with it or like in Vergo's case he was praised for his CoA ability.
Honestly? I would probably say high (plus) diff fight both Smoker and Luffy are compatible in their fighting styles and they both can hurt each other with physical blows also I don't really think G3 would be of use I mean it's only really good against slow big fighters. I mean I know a lot of people just ignore Smoker's PH feats and choose to focus more on the outcome of his fights but in that arc Smoker was able to land a hit on Luffy while not being in his own stronger body and Luffy had to use Gear 2nd to outspeed him again Smoker was in Tashigi's body limiting all his capabilities. Again people have their own opinions and I've learnt that most people and I know who they are will disagree with my opinion but meh.