Ufff, it seems like we're underestimating the 2nd Mizukage here. I'll try to do my best Draegod impression for this post
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Seems i need to clear up a lil bit of confusion round here! Time to represent the Tailless tailed beast as the strongest ninja to ever come out of Kiri! (bar maybe Yagura ofc.)
That title belongs to the legendary Trollkage-sama! The man who laughs and cracks jokes whilst in the intense heat of battle! Pressure simply does not phase him, it amplifies him! Bijuu like reserves? Shark like appearance? Mizukage chuckles at such petty fronts. Listen up, it's time to teach the children about the true history of the Village Hidden in the Mist. Haha
Clam genjutsu: Pretty op tech yeah? not against kisame. he has multiple counters to it and i'll list them all one by one!!
-release a standard
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to reveal its location. needless to say, samehada is a
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and would sense kisame's chakra mixed throughout the suiton. This battlefield-wide suiton is large enough to encompass the clam easy, so wherever samehada senses an absence of kisame's chakra would be the location of the clam. from there, the sword can point itself towards its location of the clam letting kisame know where it is!
Unfortunately, we're forgetting that the genjutsu is especially immune to sensor type techniques, and the way Samehada senses is not based on contact which is needed in order reveal the true location of the clam.
Now obviously, clams are marine creatures. The clam would not fill a space where the water cannot go through, the water will just simply flow through the clam. To illustrate this point, we have its siphons, which lead straight into the insides of its body, and this is where all the water would go. Furthermore, clams do have "mouths", or rather its bodies are made up of two separate valves which connect at one point, and inside these valves exists a space where they could store more water as well, obviously. This all means that there isn't going to be any type of significant space that Kisame's suiton isn't filling!
-use water dome to cover an enormous area which would definitely include the clam. the clam's
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is what actually causes the mirage, and pure mist can't exist underwater ofc. so when water dome is used the mist droplets will just become part of the dome and be overpowered by the stronger jutsu, then the clam is revealed plain as day!
Now why is this? The mist exuded by the clam is actually a completely different entity to water, and I know this doesn't make sense to the real world, but hey, this is NV, and Kishi is Kami-sama.
I mean, just notice how quickly the mist disperses after the clam is defeated in the center right panel [
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].... No "true mist" would dissapear and diffuse so quickly!
Anyways, the mist exuded by the clam isn't Water Release. It is Yin Release! Yin Release being a completely different element to suiton, and indicating that the mist has different properties to Water Release mist, meaning that it is indeed not "true mist". The mist will still be exuded and appear in an underwater environment, no diff! And before you bring up the Boil Release... One of its components is indeed the Water Release, so it isn't comparable.
-summon his pet sharks which can use
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to detect electrical fields by the clam (which is a marine organism that would emit them [
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Now why would this apply to a Yin Release Genjutsu that produces fabricated-yet-realistic images and hides the clam from sensory perception? Now, the technique's description clearly states that it is protected from sensory perception, except for contact based methods. Electroreception is not a contact based method!
-if nothing else works, kisame just outlasts the clam.
Ok, but I hope you know that several summons have fought for long periods of time without worrying about time limits other than Kichi, who Kishi dubiously decided to tag with such a mostly irrelevant restriction. I'm inclined to believe that the clam, who partners up with Gengetsu to allow him to use one of his top tiered techniques, will last as long as Gengetsu needs it to within reason. Within reason, my friend!
so when kisame locates the clam, he has several options. 1) fire off Great Shark bullet at it and absorb its chakra causing the summoning to disappear in a puff of smoke, simple enough. 2) use his suiton sharks (he can make a thousand of em!) to attack and devour the exposed fleshy weakness of the clam (
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) until it can't sustain the damage and it again gets poofed!
Viable counters... If shark boy and his sharp *** toy can even find the clam in the first place. Haha
Hydrification: oh dear rofl...apparently since the mizukage can use hozuki clans signature technique he can merge with the water dome and "take control of it"... A hydrification jutsu user has never manipulated an amount of water larger than
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. sure that is big...but WD is way bigger! If Gengetsu can seize control over parts of the water and uses it to attack kisame, its quite useless since he has a sword to absorb chakra, and can fuse with it so in the end the mizukage's efforts are in vain! Same goes with water bullet, if he somehow lands it on kisame its quite easily absorbed by samehada. close combat is equally pointless, since kisame would just tank all his attacks then absorb his water body with samehada. GG!
Hm, I want to know who said that Trollkage can take control of the Dome Kisame is constantly kneading chakra to sustain, and can move with it at will, because that is false! Fortunately, this doesn't matter
Hydrification allows the its user to completely merge with a water source and
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! [
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] This is similar to how Mayfly works in that African American and Cracker Zetsu completely merge with the earth and become one with it whilst using it!
Now Trollkage-sama cannot do significant damage to Kisame whilst using Water Release: Demon Fish, or form it to whatever he wants it to be (maybe a shark to mock Kisame's shark ass lel). However, he can travel at high speeds to wherever he wants to, and he will not have to deal the impediment of fluid resistance so much since he is just one entity with the water he is formed with! Despite Kisame's obvious speed underwater, he is still a separate entity from he water and does face the resisting force, even if it doesn't impede him as much as regular shinobi. This means he can quite casually phase through all of Kisame's petty suiton techniques no diff, except Daikōdan of course, which he can sidestep with the potential speed he can move at underwater! And like you said, Trollkage can quite casually escape from the water dome as well, no diff!
Who knew Hydrification could be the lovechild of Kamui and Mayfly underwater? Lol
Joki Boy: can such a technique be countered so easily? pay attention to the panels and focus on the far left speech bubble!
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such a technique relies on the oil on the outside heating up and the water inside evaporating. now let me ask you, if joki boy is inside a giant dome of water, how would the oil even heat up if it is underwater in cool temperatures? (kisame summons sharks in his suiton which mainly inhabit cooler latitudes so its reasonable to say his suiton is not made from warm water.) how would its movements heat up the oil, when the water pressure tremendously slows down JB's movements? Sure joki boy is fast on land, but underwater it would swim much slower and therefore heat up much slower, and with the water temperature being much colder than an open desert (where we saw JB being used) that lengthens the process even more, if it works at all. so with kisame being much faster than joki boy underwater, he can retreat to a safe distance and fire Daikodan at the clone, and one shot it by absorbing all its chakras!
OR: as it charges up for its explosion (keep in mind the charge up time is much slower than in canon) kisame swims up to it and wrestles it in CQC and pops it with his
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. then the thing just deflates like a sad little balloon instead of exploding with force!
Hmm... So why will Jōki Bōi swim so much slower underwater? The clone's appearance itself is deceiving. I don't think anybody would expect an overweight child to run faster than most professional athletes can! Haha
The clone itself has to carry a decently large mass of water! It also gets bigger as this water evaporates,
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! Now of course all of these feats are on land where air resistance is weaker than fluid resistance. But shouldn't air resistance have more of an effect on a bigger person since there's more surface area for said air to collide with? Along with all of the weight Jōki has to carry? Doesn't affect him!
Now, fluid resistance will impede his movement speed, I am not denying that! Simply saying that his movement WILL NOT be handicapped to the extent that you are implying, mr. beansandcornbread2. Furthermore, Jōki can actually swim out of the water if Kisame uses his lake tech instead of the WD, exert itself for a little bit, swim down, find Kisame and then "Hoooooneeeeeyyyy, I'm hooooooommmeeeee" "Maaaaaaaa, the meatloooooaaaaf" KABOOM! Lmao
To address your first point, the water's temperature will merely prolong the process Jōki needs to heat up. As long as the clone is engaging in activity that causes its oil to heat up, it will continue to heat up! As long as it is exerting itself, it will produce more heat energy! The only thing that would be a detriment would be that if it stops moving, it'll cool down and shrink faster.
Conclusion:
-Kisame would easily outlast the mizukage, so Gengetsu needs a way to kill Kisame
-anything outside of a point blank Joki Boy exposion kisame would tank with ease and samehada would heal whatever damage. water bullets and mizukages other attacks would be absorbed by samehada (after he fuses with his sword the chakra is absorbed on contact.)
-water dome slows down joki boy's movements and the process of the water evaporating. kisame one shots it with daikodan or pops it with his bones.
Unfortunately this is the end for shark boy and his pointy *** toy! You left too many holes in your argument! I'm going in!
STEAMING DANGER TYRANNY
Jōki Bōi completely destroyed Gaara's sand pyramid, which is a variant of Sabaku Taisō! Gaara crushes the pyramid with the strength of his chakra and sand which has been consistenly noted for excelling in both areas! Yet it was completely obliterated! Pay attention to the fact that Part 1 Gaara's Sabaku Taisō nearly crushed CM2 Kimimaro... Imagine what a War Arc Gaara could do!? Ninja is OP!!!! Haha
Kisame, to some people, apparently "tanked" Hirudora. Let's clear up some misconceptions about such a misconstrued feat. Hirudora that was used on Kisame was clearly a significantly weakened version. Its heat energy and speed were significantly decreased by the underwater temperature and resistance, manga fact #1! Also, Hirudora had to tussle with GSB, which further weakened its impact on Kisame, manga fact #2! Unless we want to believe that Kisame is as durable as a susano'o, let alone Gaara's mother shield which was needed to block Jōki... Which he is not! Lol
Jōki Bōi is an explosion much stronger with a wider AoE than Deidara's C2 bombs, which Hebi Sasuke manage to tank once in CM2 form! You can argue about Kisame being more durable than Sasuke is but Jōki will still blow him the **** up and send him flying! He cannot "tank it with ease". Furthermore, Jōki does not need to hit Kisame at point blank range to do significant damage! One further thing, Kisame does not gain any added durability in his fused form, and even if he does, it is minimal compared to the amount of damage Jōki can inflict on him! Jōki blowing up next to him once will leave him temporarily disoriented as the Samehada heals him... which leaves enough time for Gengetsu to come in and finish the battle with a water bullet to the brain! Also, if Kisame is disoriented and heavily injured, he cannot knead chakra and is not kneading chakra. This means that the water dome will go down if he is using it!
CLAM GENJUTSU
Now Kisame cannot perceive the true whereabouts of the clam or the Mizukage. And even if he could, he would still be susceptible to seeing mirages, since the mist is
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A water like environment actually gives suiton users more firepower to work with, manga fact! This leaves the Mizukage enough time to create water clones and attack Kisame from different directions with giant water bullets that he cannot perceive before it is too late! Water bullets to the head from his close range blind spots will end Kisame very quickly since their momentum is too great for Sama to absorb quickly enough and make everybody realize who the real top dog in Kiri's history is! And if Kisame uses a Water Prison to protect himself, Trollkage merely merge his hand with it, reform his finger inside it, and pop a cap in Kisame's shark ass! Lmmfao
Now if Kisame goes underground to try to detect the clam... The clam has been shown to be able to change its position canon! [
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]-[
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] Some might say that the shinobi that were fighting the Mizukage should have looked in the spot it was summoned on... but they didn't because it wasn't there anymore! Its position will reset and Kisame will have to go underground again to try and find it... But this will turn into a cycle! Furthermore, should Kisame try to swim towards it underground, Trollkage can have his water clones kill Kisame with well placed water bullets to his head! Then we have the option of ending the genjutsu and quickly creating Jōki Bōi, which will one shot Kisame and send the Samehada flying to Kansas along with Dorothy! Haha
- In a battle between the two Kiri shinobi, Trollkage-sama will phase through all of Kisame's attacks no diff! Daikōdan can drain his chakra, but it is useless since Daikōdan cannot even reach Gengetsu! GSB's movements can be altered somewhat by controlling its trajectory, but it is mostly a linear attack. With the way Kisame controls it, it'd certainly be impossible to do sharp turns, let alone a 180. Lol
- With Gengetsu casually laughing at Kisame's top tier techs, Kisame will be forced to deform his WD if he decides to use it! If he does, Jōki can immediatly be made and blitz Kisame, since it can blow up from the moment that it is made! [
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- If Kisame uses his regular Baksuishōha tech, the Genjutsu will still work on Kisame, and mind you his lake, depending on the location (an open field for example), will actually disperse rather quickly, which will end any chance he has of finding the true clam's whereabouts! From there on, some simple troll tactics and close range water bullets from his blind spots will end him.
And if nothing else works, Trollkage can simply escape from Kisame's large and obviously chakra taxing jutsus by just effortlessly escaping them everytime! Hydrification takes no effort for Hōzukis, since Trollkage did it
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! If anything, he can force Kisame to keep on spitting water, in which case he will be wasting more chakra whilst Trollkage-sama is laughing and trolling with Hydrification! "Oy, fish face! How ya like my liquefied butt cheeks?" Haha
All in all, Trollkage-sama will win with medium difficulty at the very most with no intel for both sides, and with high difficulty with full intel for both sides.
