Hinata and Sakura comparison

[6thHokage]

Should ask OP. He tried to make Sakura look like a good character by comparing her to a side character.

Queen Sakura is a good character.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Like I said before, I clearly stated in the thread " the last and the novels and I talked about the manga in my thread, so you can kindly get off of me.

You compared the last with the novel material. Nothing you said changes that.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

The Op compared canon material with non canon material. And you are asking who cares if it's not canon?

I don't give a shit if it's not canon because anything at this point, anybody can write better than Kishimoto, so I'm more happily to consider these novel canon in my eyes so long it's really good and it has no contradiction to the plot.

 

[Shruikan]

I don't give a shit if it's not canon because anything at this point, anybody can write better than Kishimoto, so I'm more happily to consider these novel canon in my eyes so long it's really good and it has no contradiction to the plot.

Why dont you guys wait till Part 3?Lets see if the series actually collaborates the novels and we could make a decision based on that

 

[SPIRTofleo]

To stand strong and fight for what she believes in. Her inspiration came from Naruto and that is why she decided to share the same ninja way as him. They are married now. Spouses are supposed to support one another and be by each other's side. They're nindo's represent what they stand for and they also represent standing side by side holding hands. Them sharing the same ninja way is not a bad thing.


Yes, her ninja way is Naruto's ninja way. Is that really a bad thing?


No. Her mentality is to protect Naruto and to be by his side. Her mentality is not Naruto's mentality. You have it twisted. If her mentality was the same as Naruto's mentality then she would care about Sasuke and she would also want to become Hokage, but she doesn't want to do either of those things, so this is not true.


Hinata supports him and she also wants to be with him. There is a reason why she risked her life and told him that she loves him during the Pain incident.


Yes I am. Do you have a problem?

It all goes back to my point, she's not her own character, everything is NarutoNarutoNarutoNarutoNaruto, also her mentality has not been shown, probably covered by more Naruto, wait Did I mention Naruto?

 

[lndra]

No thats not the point.Point is she showcased worry and her facial expression completely changed for Naruto and that was a lame kick into the water too whereas she didnt showcase that much care for Kiba.Than in 649 when Shikamaru has been healed he comments "I want to be Naruto's advisor" and while the others are busy chereing and shit Hinata comments "I want to be at Naruto's side" not even showing that much pleasure as the others on panel .Notice how the same shit makes Hinata more annoying?

How do you know she did not showcase any worry or facial expression when it zoomed out? Sakura was the one who pointed out that it was a rash and stupid decision. Hinata is not one to be outspoken in such cases. How is Hinata saying she wants to be by Naruto's side bad? I don't understand, there is no bad context to it. Naruto is probably the only person that has treated her right and had faith in her strength. How is it wrong for her character to focus on Naruto when that said person has caused her nothing but hope and relief?

Its like this.Sakura also has panels helping her team mates in need too.Yet she is summarised as being all about Sasuke
Same for Hinata.Most of her panels which are actually impactful are regarding just Naruto.If you show me something regarding a character 60% of the time I will of course summarise based on that 60% rather than the remaining 40% which isnt even that worthful

That's only because her character is shown with Naruto. Yet you are forgetting that Sakura was doing the same thing in Part one. What changed? Sasuke left. Generalizing.

Hinata with her lack of development has shown the ability to care for teammates, even though her team is one of the most least development teams in the whole K11, I would doubt people's opinions would change based on a belief because of a personal distaste.

 

[SPIRTofleo]

You compared the last with the novel material. Nothing you said changes that.

The last:Confirmed canon, Novel:Kishimoto invovlment, In my thread: talks about Sakura and Hinata in the manga and You: still on me.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

I don't give a shit if it's not canon because anything at this point, anybody can write better than Kishimoto, so I'm more happily to consider these novel canon in my eyes so long it's really good and it has no contradiction to the plot.

Well not everyone sees with your eyes. Therefore what you consider canon does not mean it is canon. Also this thread was never about you so stop making it about you. Fact is this novel is not canon. So comparing something that is canon to it is a flawed arguement.

 

[Shruikan]

Anyways I am done.Sakura centres around Sasuke and Hinata around Naruto except Sakura being fleshed out more so she is the lesser of the two evils for me

 

[Endles Waltz]

Why dont you guys wait till Part 3?Lets see if the series actually collaborates the novels and we could make a decision based on that

What a sensible thing to say. Lol

 

[Dannie]

It all goes back to my point, she's not her own character, everything is NarutoNarutoNarutoNarutoNaruto, also her mentality has not been shown, probably covered by more Naruto, wait Did I mention Naruto?

Like I already said, she is a supporting figure for Naruto so this recycled theme is old.

Her mentality is to protect Naruto and stand up for what she believes in, so yes, her mentality has been shown.

How exactly is Sakura any better?

 

[lndra]

Queen Sakura is a good character.

Her characters a contradiction. So strong willed and mind and yet she keeps falling for a dude that continues to treat her like dirt and give her zero time. He's even tried to kill her 2 or 3 times. How are we suppose to buy that?

I say this without comparing her to anyone else. If you really want to know as to why I view Sakura as a horrible character, and probably why other's too. Consideirng he nailed every head on the spot. Watch this:
[video=youtube;27o0Q1yMhSY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27o0Q1yMhSY[/video]

Again I say this without comparing her to anyone else, nor saying anyone else is better than her (in the female group.

 

[Dannie]

Her characters a contradiction. So strong willed and mind and yet she keeps falling for a dude that continues to treat her like dirt and give her zero time. He's even tried to kill her 2 or 3 times. How are we suppose to buy that?

I say this without comparing her to anyone else. If you really want to know as to why I view Sakura as a horrible character, and probably why other's too. Consideirng he nailed every head on the spot. Watch this:
[video=youtube;27o0Q1yMhSY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27o0Q1yMhSY[/video]

Again I say this without comparing her to anyone else, nor saying anyone else is better than her (in the female group.

That video was very funny.

 

[6thHokage]

Her characters a contradiction. So strong willed and mind and yet she keeps falling for a dude that continues to treat her like dirt and give her zero time. He's even tried to kill her 2 or 3 times. How are we suppose to buy that?

I say this without comparing her to anyone else. If you really want to know as to why I view Sakura as a horrible character, and probably why other's too. Consideirng he nailed every head on the spot. Watch this:
[video=youtube;27o0Q1yMhSY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27o0Q1yMhSY[/video]

Again I say this without comparing her to anyone else, nor saying anyone else is better than her (in the female group.

Why should I watch some fat dude bash Queen Sakura?

 

[Made in Heaven]

Yo, can't believe I missed this Lol

 

[Shruikan]

How do you know she did not showcase any worry or facial expression when it zoomed out? Sakura was the one who pointed out that it was a rash and stupid decision. Hinata is not one to be outspoken, and it only zoomed it when Naruto performed the action, only because she likes him. How is Hinata saying she wants to be by Naruto's side bad? I don't understand, there is no bad context to it. Naruto is probably te only person that has treated her right and had faith in her strength. How is it wrong for her character to focus on Naruto when that said person has caused her nothing but hope and relief?

Thats the point.It always zooms out on her the moments its an incident not Naruto related and we get a closeup shot for Naruto

Its bad because till that point mostly her character revovles around Naruto.Therefore her being out on an independant mission like Shikamaru was given would have removed some of the satellite character definition behind those words.When "being at Naruto's side or something Naruto related is emphasised too much it starts to get old"

That's only because her character is shown with Naruto. Yet you are forgetting that Sakura was doing the same thing in Part one. What changed? Sasuke left. Generalizing.

Yes.That is the reason behind it but it did lead to her being fleshed out more did it not?I agree had Sasuke stayed,she would probably throw Naruto to the wayside

Hinata with her lack of development has shown the ability to care for teammates, even though her team is one of the most least development teams in the whole K11, I would doubt people's opinions would change based on a belief because of a personal distaste.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.I am nto denying there are panels of her caring for team mates except the Naruto related moments are far more impactful/more in number to provide a basis for summary

I am not trying to change people's opinions.They are gonna remain the same as you cant change my opinion as I cant change yours

 

[SPIRTofleo]

Like I already said, she is a supporting figure for Naruto so this recycled theme is old.

Her mentality is to protect Naruto and stand up for what she believes in, so yes, her mentality has been shown.

How exactly is Sakura any better?

Wow so her mentality is to protect Naruto and what she believes in is Naruto's Ninja way?, wow this a lot of Naruto talk, even though we're talking about Hinata, go figure, also lets see well, sakura got into some fights, she has made other friendships, besides just Sasuke, also when she's shown, she doesn't just think about Sasuke, she worry's about Naruto and her other comrades and does things to help out the village.

 

[lndra]

That video was very funny.

It was one of his best videos so far. He should make an analysis video of all the characters since it ended. Or maybe after part 3

Why should I watch some fat dude bash Queen Sakura?

He does not bash Sakura at all. He actually gives her character a deep analysis. If you don't want to watch it, don't. I was just offering you a piece as to why Sakura is not a great character.

 

[Endles Waltz]

Her characters a contradiction. So strong willed and mind and yet she keeps falling for a dude that continues to treat her like dirt and give her zero time. He's even tried to kill her 2 or 3 times. How are we suppose to buy that?

It's a case of a horrible journey with a decent destination.

Some people refuse to see any good in the destination since the journey was so bad, and others choose to look past the journey since it's already behind and accept the destination.

 

[6thHokage]

It was one of his best videos so far. He should make an analysis video of all the characters since it ended. Or maybe after part 3


He does not bash Sakura at all. He actually gives her character a deep analysis. If you don't want to watch it, don't. I was just offering you a piece as to why Sakura is not a great character.

That video is probably full of opinions.