Sasuke vs Minato

[LuckyMan]

With no Ridoku chakra Sasuke is slower than Minato in movement and strike speed so there's no way he should win.

 

[Great Master Minato]

With no Ridoku chakra Sasuke is slower than Minato in movement and strike speed so there's no way he should win.

That's what I'm trying to say...
Without Rikudo Chakra Sasuke lacks the reaction speed to utilize Ameno in time...having an instant S/T won't make you fast...you should have the means to use it as well.

 

[LuckyMan]

That's what I'm trying to say...
Without Rikudo Chakra Sasuke lacks the reaction speed to utilize Ameno in time...having an instant S/T won't make you fast...you should have the meant to use it as well.

I'm pretty sure some dude made this same thread some time ago. I remember posting on it. No one countered my argument and the thread eventually died.

 

[Ambivalence]

I still don't see how lacking RC would essentially make Sasuke braindead, but okay.

Rikudo chakra or not, sasuke put a sword right into Juudara, without giving him time to react, just by looking at him. How can minato possibly fight that?

I think you misunderstood how that works. JJ Madara/Minato has to charge Sasuke before that happens. All Sasuke did was essentially swap with his sword. He can't swap objects with objects, not to mention gather inertia out of nothingness just like that, otherwise VoTE 2 would've been a short fight. If Minato doesn't charge him Sasuke won't pull that off.

The only way this match up is fair is if minato also starts with a mark on Sasuke's body, because thats the equivalent to Amenotejikara.

I actually thought about this, but then the fight would be over in less than a second - Minato taking it, since he's faster than non-Rikudou Sasuke.

 

[KidGamer65]

EMS Sasuke was already showing reactions and movement speed, outside of Shunshin, on par with the likes of KCM Naruto during the war, and even managed to intercept the Gudo Dama before Minato could use Hiraishin w/ hand seals to save him. Give him an instantaneous teleportation S/T Ninjutsu and Minato isn't going to be able to be able to outright blitz him.

Ay was going to use a strategy where he'd run at Minato, make him teleport, and then use his top speed to move to the Kunai the moment he sees Minato teleport,

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Though this plan mainly failed since Minato was able to teleport behind Killer B. Sasuke can replicate this plan with much more efficiency since he can teleport and/or switch places with an object. He can switch places with the Kunai Minato warps to the moment he does so, allowing him to strike with a much higher chance of being able to take him out.

Then there's the last function of Amenotejikara:

Amenotejikara:

A ninjutsu using the Rinnegan received from the Sage of Six Paths. With in a certain range, the jutsu user can switch himself with the location of a target object in an instant. If the user switches himself with other objects in close-range combat, the user can evade enemy attacks in an instant, and can also attack by switching himself with a kunai or other weapon.

Bold refers to when Sasuke evaded Madara's strike and switched places with his weapon, which then stabbed Madara through his chest. The weapon that Sasuke swaps with attacks the target.

-Minato tries to Hiraishin blitz Sasuke.
-At the last minute Sasuke uses Amenotejikara, switches place with his sword.
-This happens to Minato.

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[Great Master Minato]

EMS Sasuke was already showing reactions and movement speed, outside of Shunshin, on par with the likes of KCM Naruto during the war, and even managed to intercept the Gudo Dama before Minato could use Hiraishin w/ hand seals to save him. Give him an instantaneous teleportation S/T Ninjutsu and Minato isn't going to be able to be able to outright blitz him.

Ay was going to use a strategy where he'd run at Minato, make him teleport, and then use his top speed to move to the Kunai the moment he sees Minato teleport,

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Though this plan mainly failed since Minato was able to teleport behind Killer B. Sasuke can replicate this plan with much more efficiency since he can teleport and/or switch places with an object. He can switch places with the Kunai Minato warps to the moment he does so, allowing him to strike with a much higher chance of being able to take him out.

Then there's the last function of Amenotejikara:



Bold refers to when Sasuke evaded Madara's strike and switched places with his weapon, which then stabbed Madara through his chest. The weapon that Sasuke swaps with attacks the target.

-Minato tries to Hiraishin blitz Sasuke.
-At the last minute Sasuke uses Amenotejikara, switches place with his sword.
-This happens to Minato.

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This isn't Rinnegan Sasuke or even EMS Sasuke...this is regular base/3T Sasuke without Rikudo Chakra who can somehow use Ameno.
Minato would blitz him & he can't utilize Ameno in time to evade.

 

[KidGamer65]

This isn't Rinnegan Sasuke...this is regular 3T Sasuke without Rikudo Chakra who can somehow use Ameno.

Irrelevant as my post refers to things EMS Sasuke can do, hence me stating EMS Sasuke in the beginning, and weapon swap/attack has nothing to do with his reaction speed bar activating the technique itself.

Minato would blitz him & he can't utilize Ameno in time to evade.

I literally addressed this in the first paragraph. Minato isn't blitzing Sasuke when:

1. Sasuke intercepted Gudo Dama before Minato himself could use Hiraishin.

2. Sasuke was showing reactions and movement speed outside of Shunshin on par with Naruto during the war. [

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-Naruto is targeted.

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-Minato makes handsign to use Hiraishin.

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-Sasuke intercepts w/ Shunshin before Minato can use Hiraishin.

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3. Killer B intercepted Minato when he tried to blitz Ay, and Killer B's reactions aren't on par with EMS Sasuke's. KCM Naruto reacted to Ay. EMS Sasuke's reactions equal his.

Minato tries to attack, and then he uses Ameno and warps away or swaps with his blade which then runs Minato through.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Irrelevant as my post refers to things EMS Sasuke can do, hence me stating EMS Sasuke in the beginning, and weapon swap/attack has nothing to do with his reaction speed bar activating the technique itself.



I literally addressed this in the first paragraph. Minato isn't blitzing Sasuke when:

1. Sasuke intercepted Gudo Dama before Minato himself could use Hiraishin.

2. Sasuke was showing reactions and movement speed outside of Shunshin on par with Naruto during the war. [

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-Naruto is targeted.

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-Minato makes handsign to use Hiraishin.

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-Sasuke intercepts w/ Shunshin before Minato can use Hiraishin.

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3. Killer B intercepted Minato when he tried to blitz Ay, and Killer B's reactions aren't on par with EMS Sasuke's. KCM Naruto reacted to Ay. EMS Sasuke's reactions equal his.

Minato tries to attack, and then he uses Ameno and warps away or swaps with his blade which then runs Minato through.

So 3T Sasuke's reaction = EMS Sasuke's? otherwise I don't know what are you trying to say cause OP said this is 3T Sasuke not EMS & he doesn't even have Sharingan precognition in the first scenario.

 

[KidGamer65]

So 3T Sasuke's reaction = EMS Sasuke's? otherwise I don't know what are you trying to say cause OP said this is 3T Sasuke not EMS & he doesn't even have Sharingan precognition in the first scenario.

Lol. EMS precognition isn't needed.

-EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto reacted at the same time.

-Take away EMS precognition and take away the equal SM sensing and you have KCM/BM Naruto being on par with Sasuke in reaction speed. Then add in the fact that Minato couldn't even tag Ay before B intercepted from about 10m away with a tentacle, and you have Minato not being able to blitz Sasuke before he can mentally activate Ameno...or is B's tentacle movement>>Sasuke's mental reaction now? Lol.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Lol. EMS precognition isn't needed.

-EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto reacted at the same time.

-Take away EMS precognition and take away the equal SM sensing and you have KCM/BM Naruto being on par with Sasuke in reaction speed. Then add in the fact that Minato couldn't even tag Ay before B intercepted from about 10m away with a tentacle, and you have Minato not being able to blitz Sasuke before he can mentally activate Ameno...or is B's tentacle movement>>Sasuke's mental reaction now? Lol.

I don't think this logic could be applied...Sasuke with MS precognition had issues to keeping up with Ay & you think he's on par with KCM Naruto who's faster than Ay?

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't think this logic could be applied...Sasuke with MS precognition had issues to keeping up with Ay & you think he's on par with KCM Naruto who's faster than Ay?

MS Sasuke=/=EMS Sasuke. If your logic could be applied, then Sasuke's normal movement speed nor should his reaction speed be on par with KCM Naruto's even w/ EMS. Nor would his speed feats be better.

 

[Great Master Minato]

MS Sasuke=/=EMS Sasuke.

This thread isn't about Base Minato vs EMS Sasuke...this is Sasuke who doesn't even have 3T precognition...basically Sharinganless Sasuke.

 

[Zexion~]

Can Gilgamesh come in and solo both these losers?

Op: I'd say Sasuke wins all but scenario three

 

[Great Master Minato]

Can Gilgamesh come in and solo both these losers?

Op: I'd say Sasuke wins all but scenario three

If you mean FF Gilgamesh then I have Lightning to whoop his ass Lol

 

[Zexion~]

If you mean FF Gilgamesh then I have Lightning to whoop his ass Lol

Lmfao hell no Solo King of any universe


Gilgamesh from the Fate Series (Ava and Sig)

 

[Great Master Minato]

Lmfao hell no Solo King of any universe


Gilgamesh from the Fate Series (Ava and Sig)

Ah okay...I saw Gilgamesh in many stories/mythologies.

 

[KidGamer65]

This thread isn't about Base Minato vs EMS Sasuke...this is Sasuke who doesn't even have 3T precognition...basically Sharinganless Sasuke.

Which isn't relevant, as I've already addressed this point on literally two fronts. When Minato doesn't get intercepted by Killer B then maybe we can talk about him blitzing Sasuke before he can use Ameno. The only way he's pulling that off is if he has a tag.

Though I will say that Sasuke w/o EMS precog won't necessarily equal KCM Naruto in reaction speed.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Which isn't relevant, as I've already addressed this point on literally two fronts. When Minato doesn't get intercepted by Killer B then maybe we can talk about him blitzing Sasuke before he can use Ameno. The only way he's pulling that off is if he has a tag.

Though I will say that Sasuke w/o EMS precog won't necessarily equal KCM Naruto in reaction speed.

Well you said it yourself...

not all strikes are equal in speed. He'd have to put more momentum behind his thrust to pierce Ay, thus it'd take longer

Aside from that how's Sasuke who doesn't have any precognition here is gonna keep up with Minato?

 

[Zexion~]

Which isn't relevant, as I've already addressed this point on literally two fronts. When Minato doesn't get intercepted by Killer B then maybe we can talk about him blitzing Sasuke before he can use Ameno. The only way he's pulling that off is if he has a tag.

Though I will say that Sasuke w/o EMS precog won't necessarily equal KCM Naruto in reaction speed.

Why are you even arguing at this point?

Gilgamesh shits

 

[KidGamer65]

Well you said it yourself...

Aside from that how's Sasuke who doesn't have any precognition here is gonna keep up with Minato?

And where is the proof that he'll be able to stab/slash and kill Sasuke before he can teleport with Ameno? Not sure why you keep referencing precognition when precog doesn't even matter that much when you can't see your opponent's movements.

There is no keeping up with Minato. It's Minato trying to attack him, and then Minato getting killed by Ameno. All he needs to be able to do is to react to his strike, and then warp away.

Why are you even arguing at this point?

Gilgamesh shits

Shiro neg diffs.