Kisame vs Gengetsu

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Ok but the next part isn't true. I hope you know that the AoE of Jōki Bōi's explosion is so the clone doesn't have to be very close to Kisame to significantly hurt him. If Kisame gets hit once while not fused it's game over since the explosion would send both flying, and the clone can reform itself fast enough [ ] to kick the Samehada away if it needs to since Samehada extends its hilt to stick to Kisame and heal him.

Everyone knows explosive damage lessens the further it travels... Hence why Sasuke managed to escape Deidara's explosives by even flying up a meter or two ... . Samehada can partially merge with Kisame when the explosion occurs. Meaning it wouldn't be sent flying.

Also don't forget Samehada's hilt can extend
 

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GSB, which is the only attack that will hurt Trollkage, is a linear attack when it's shot. Kisame can alter its trajectory but doing a complete 180 and turning with the shark is a different story. All hydrification users can merge and become one with water, and if anything, being able to control the water around them like Suigetsu did in that instance would make them faster.

You've proved nothing once again.... merge with water? So you're saying that he'd become one with the WD? Not seeing how that would make anyone faster. How would doing what Suigetsu do make you faster? He merely absorbed the water to increase his size and chakra.


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Everyone knows explosive damage lessens the further it travels... Hence why Sasuke managed to escape Deidara's explosives by even flying up a meter or two ... . Samehada can partially merge with Kisame when the explosion occurs. Meaning it wouldn't be sent flying.

Also don't forget Samehada's hilt can extend

Right, but Steaming Danger Tyranny is stronger than C2 and has a wider AoE. For example Gaara wouldn't need his mother shield to block C2 like he did with Jōki Bōi. And the Samehada can only absorb the clone's chakra by touching the clone like how we saw the Samehada absorbing Bee's V2 shroud by touching him. The clone doesn't need to stand so close to blow up and send the two flying.

Yeah, but what I was saying was that the clone can reform faster than the hilt can extend itself in time to reach Kisame since both are going to be separated by the explosion further than Bee separated the Samehada from Kisame when he used that Lariat.

Anyways the OP didn't stipulate any conditions, so I think Kisame wins with full intel for both sides.
 

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Right, but Steaming Danger Tyranny is stronger than C2 and has a wider AoE. For example Gaara wouldn't need his mother shield to block C2 like he did with Jōki Bōi. And the Samehada can only absorb the clone's chakra by touching the clone like how we saw the Samehada absorbing Bee's V2 shroud by touching him. The clone doesn't need to stand so close to blow up and send the two flying.

Yeah, but what I was saying was that the clone can reform faster than the hilt can extend itself in time to reach Kisame since both are going to be separated by the explosion further than Bee separated the Samehada from Kisame when he used that Lariat.

Anyways the OP didn't stipulate any conditions, so I think Kisame wins with full intel for both sides.

Larger AoE may mean that it merely has less force spread over a wide area, as the strongest explosions are those condensed and contained into a small area of effect. But nothing to really scale that on I suppose. He also has countering with a water prison to at least lessen the blast.
Wasn't Gaara's mother shield already out at the time? Hence why he used it? Or am I remembering wrong. Also again Samehada can merge with Kisame's arm before the explosion removes it from his grip. He was able to hold on to it in some pretty tough situations. And lastly why would the clone bother separating the sword? He has no intel on Kisame so by the time he realizes it may be to late.

Even without full intel Kisame may already know about his abilities he was a Mizukage after all
 

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Larger AoE may mean that it merely has less force spread over a wide area, as the strongest explosions are those condensed and contained into a small area of effect. But nothing to really scale that on I suppose. He also has countering with a water prison to at least lessen the blast.
Wasn't Gaara's mother shield already out at the time? Hence why he used it? Or am I remembering wrong. Also again Samehada can merge with Kisame's arm before the explosion removes it from his grip. He was able to hold on to it in some pretty tough situations. And lastly why would the clone bother separating the sword? He has no intel on Kisame so by the time he realizes ite may be to late.

How would the dome lessen the explosion? Gaara was fast enough to pull out the mother shield out in time right before the clone exploded. Jōki Bōi is a worse thing to go through than that Lariat and Lee and Gai's collective effort disarmed the Samehada from Kisame. Even if the Samehada were to do that it's not a stick that is strong enough to withstand the explosion of Jōki Bōi. They would have to merge fully into that half shark/half man form to prevent that from happening. I base that on the fact that the clone or the Mizukage will see Samehada's hilt extending towards Kisame, so that would prompt one of them to do something about it.

Even without full intel Kisame may already know about his abilities he was a Mizukage after all

There is a scan where the Mizukage told a kiri ninja that he should know about his abilities but the kiri nin said that nobody knew anything about the past Mizukages except Mei, but I can't find it. Kirigakure is known for its extreme secrecy. Kisame was born after Nidaime's time so I doubt it.
 

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Yo FT!!!! Finally posted huh

We know each other but you don't know who's alt I am. I'm from the 2013 generation.

I just hope you know that the Trollkage can casually avoid every tech Kisame has by liquefying himself except for Daikodan, which he can sidestep rather easily by merging himself fully underwater.

You still think Tobirama loses to Kisame?

Yeah... I have no idea who you are haha. Chakra absorption bro. Tobirama definitely wins with Edos and Gojō Kibaku Fuda.
 

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With no intel Kisame wins high diff.
 

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Everyone knows explosive damage lessens the further it travels... Hence why Sasuke managed to escape Deidara's explosives by even flying up a meter or two ... . Samehada can partially merge with Kisame when the explosion occurs. Meaning it wouldn't be sent flying.

Also don't forget Samehada's hilt can extend

dude lol Samehada is basically like Hidan's scythe when it can extend like that. haha
 

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Looks like most say kisame wins.


If so, is Kisame the strongest Mist ninja? I don't know. i can't accept an ugly shark monster with small eyes to be the best. He looks fodder tier to me.
 

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Kisame wins

mist jutsu counters:
-spit out lake
-earth style swimming
-fuse w/ samehaa
-samehada as a ''torch'' in the mist to sense gen getsu chakra(only shadow clones split chakra evenly, troll uses water clones)
 

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How would the dome lessen the explosion? Gaara was fast enough to pull out the mother shield out in time right before the clone exploded.

It can be used as a defensive jutsu? Plus the water will take the flames away from the damage which just leaves force which helps Kisame heal from it.

Jōki Bōi is a worse thing to go through than that Lariat and Lee and Gai's collective effort disarmed the Samehada from Kisame.

Off a direct attack for it...Kisame held on while being pummeled by Gai in mid air ( at least for a bit)

Even if the Samehada were to do that it's not a stick that is strong enough to withstand the explosion of Jōki Bōi. They would have to merge fully into that half shark/half man form to prevent that from happening.

Why is that? This whole argument is based on the sword flying away not it ripping apart? Which I don't see happening if they merge partly Samehada remains with Kisame....

I base that on the fact that the clone or the Mizukage will see Samehada's hilt extending towards Kisame, so that would prompt one of them to do something about it.

I suppose but I doubt they'd notice right away.
 

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Seems i need to clear up a lil bit of confusion round here! Time to represent the Tailless tailed beast as the strongest ninja to ever come out of Kiri! (bar maybe Yagura ofc.)

Clam genjutsu: Pretty op tech yeah? not against kisame. he has multiple counters to it and i'll list them all one by one!!

-release a standard to reveal its location. needless to say, samehada is a and would sense kisame's chakra mixed throughout the suiton. This battlefield-wide suiton is large enough to encompass the clam easy, so wherever samehada senses an absence of kisame's chakra would be the location of the clam. from there, the sword can point itself towards its location of the clam letting kisame know where it is!

-use water dome to cover an enormous area which would definitely include the clam. the clam's is what actually causes the mirage, and pure mist can't exist underwater ofc. so when water dome is used the mist droplets will just become part of the dome and be overpowered by the stronger jutsu, then the clam is revealed plain as day!

-summon his pet sharks which can use to detect electrical fields by the clam (which is a marine organism that would emit them [ ]).

-if nothing else works, kisame just outlasts the clam.

so when kisame locates the clam, he has several options. 1) fire off Great Shark bullet at it and absorb its chakra causing the summoning to disappear in a puff of smoke, simple enough. 2) use his suiton sharks (he can make a thousand of em!) to attack and devour the exposed fleshy weakness of the clam ( ) until it can't sustain the damage and it again gets poofed!

Good thing in this thread people seem to acknowledge that the mirage is useless against kisame.

Hydrification: oh dear rofl...apparently since the mizukage can use hozuki clans signature technique he can merge with the water dome and "take control of it"... A hydrification jutsu user has never manipulated an amount of water larger than . sure that is big...but WD is way bigger! If Gengetsu can seize control over parts of the water and uses it to attack kisame, its quite useless since he has a sword to absorb chakra, and can fuse with it so in the end the mizukage's efforts are in vain! Same goes with water bullet, if he somehow lands it on kisame its quite easily absorbed by samehada. close combat is equally pointless, since kisame would just tank all his attacks then absorb his water body with samehada. GG!

(note: i am not denying that the mizukage can escape from the water dome this way. however it will not be used offensively to imprison gengetsu, rather Kisame would only use it to counter joki boy or the clam genjutsu.)

Joki Boy: can such a technique be countered so easily? pay attention to the panels and focus on the far left speech bubble!

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such a technique relies on the oil on the outside heating up and the water inside evaporating. now let me ask you, if joki boy is inside a giant dome of water, how would the oil even heat up if it is underwater in cool temperatures? (kisame summons sharks in his suiton which mainly inhabit cooler latitudes so its reasonable to say his suiton is not made from warm water.) how would its movements heat up the oil, when the water pressure tremendously slows down JB's movements? Sure joki boy is fast on land, but underwater it would swim much slower and therefore heat up much slower, and with the water temperature being much colder than an open desert (where we saw JB being used) that lengthens the process even more, if it works at all. so with kisame being much faster than joki boy underwater, he can retreat to a safe distance and fire Daikodan at the clone, and one shot it by absorbing all its chakras! OR: as it charges up for its explosion (keep in mind the charge up time is much slower than in canon) kisame swims up to it and wrestles it in CQC and pops it with his . then the thing just deflates like a sad little balloon instead of exploding with force!

Conclusion:

-Kisame would easily outlast the mizukage, so Gengetsu needs a way to kill Kisame
-anything outside of a point blank Joki Boy exposion kisame would tank with ease and samehada would heal whatever damage. water bullets and mizukages other attacks would be absorbed by samehada (after he fuses with his sword the chakra is absorbed on contact.)​
-water dome slows down joki boy's movements and the process of the water evaporating. kisame one shots it with daikodan or pops it with his bones.​
 

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It can be used as a defensive jutsu? Plus the water will take the flames away from the damage which just leaves force which helps Kisame heal from it.

Water Prison isn't nearly enough to tank even a bit of the damage a JB explosion can produce. The explosion isn't fire based, it's a steam explosion.

Why is that? This whole argument is based on the sword flying away not it ripping apart? Which I don't see happening if they merge partly Samehada remains with Kisame....

You said that as JB explodes, Samehada can partly merge itself with Kisame and that's not happening because that process is slower than the time it takes JB to explode. Kisame partly merging beforehand would be rather useless as he could just fully merge with Samehada and be done with it.
 

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Kisame wins it providing he has full intel. The clam genjutsu is countered by Subterranean Voyage. After that, he should be able to sense the Mizukage thanks to Samaheda's sensory abilities, since he's not been caught in the mist. Now, when he goes up above the ground, he will undoubtedly be caught in it, so he could create a water clone and use Samaheda and swing it to disperse the mist wherever he is. He either does that, or simply outlasts the summons limit in the worst case scenario(in in the case that he can't sense Gengetsu, despite not being within the genjutsu).Alternatively, he also simply spit out the water dome which will completely engulf the mist and put an end to the genjutsu. Hydrification is useless with regards to killing Kisame, as Samaheda will still devour the chakra that the Mizukage is using to turn himself into a liquid. If he doesn't use his ability to liquefy, he gets shredded. Joki boi is countered by either GSB or by blitzing underwater in his fused form and sucking out it's chakra-just like what happened to Bee. Overall, with full intel, Kisame takes it mid to high diff. With no intel, I'd have to favour the Mizukage since Kisame will probably die before he's able to decipher the mechanisms behind the Mizukage's jutsu.
 

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Are both of you imitating Draegod?
 

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As long as the mizukage's clone can move it will heat up and explode, that's how it accumulates heat, by moving.

Underwater/on ground makes no difference and I am sure a kage at the very least knows how to walk on water or swim. Kisame flooding the area with water can only back fire, it would mean more water for the clone to use in the steam explosion.
 

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Props for BAC for actually going balls to the wall Lol

Liquidation is just being so wanked here
 
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