[Tier] My Top 20 Shinobi

[HiddenSound]

Kabuto will always > Orochimaru.

Orochimaru only has control of Base Minato, Tobirama and Hiruzen. They certainly cant handle Kabuto's edos.

What do you mean base Minato?

 

[RedRobin]

What do you mean base Minato?

Orochimaru cannot control BM Minato.

 

[HiddenSound]

Orochimaru cannot control BM Minato.

How do you figure?

 

[Red Slayer]

How do you figure?

fanfic No Jutsu by Haters



1)Madara(3 Eye)
2)Naruto/Sasuke
3)Sasuke/Naruto
4)Obito
5)Kakashi
6)Gai
7)Orochimaru
8)Kabuto
9)Hashirama
10)Minato

 

[Great Master Minato]

How do you figure?

Oro can control Yin Kurama now? interesting...

 

[HiddenSound]

Oro can control Yin Kurama now? interesting...

I figured he can control Minato who can control Yin Kyuubi. . .

 

[Lariatoo]

Personally...
At their strongest shown forms, whitout any Ootsuki nor Edo Tensei as a jutsu:

1. Naruto (RSM)
2. Sasuke (Rinnegan + Bijuu)
3. Madara (JJ Rinnegan)
4. Kakashi (DMS)
5. Obito (JJ)
6. Gai (8 gates)
7. Hashirama (SM)
8. Minato (BM)
9. Nagato (Healthy and mobile)
10. Kabuto (DSM)
11. Itachi (Edo)
12. Killer Bee
13. Tobirama
14. Muu

14.

 

[Great Master Minato]

I figured he can control Minato who can control Yin Kyuubi. . .

Minato can switch place with Kurama & break the bound of ET.

 

[HiddenSound]

Minato can switch place with Kurama & break the bound of ET.

Can he?

 

[Great Master Minato]

Can he?

Any perfect Jin can.

 

[HiddenSound]

Any perfect Jin can.

I meant break the bounds of ET. He's guaranteed to somehow break ET because he's in the Kyuubi's shroud? Swapping places somehow unshackled his soul? I'm asking questions because it seems to just be speculation.

 

[Great Master Minato]

I meant break the bounds of ET. He's guaranteed to somehow break ET because he's in the Kyuubi's shroud? Swapping places somehow unshackled his soul? I'm asking questions because it seems to just be speculation.

Well when he swap place he basically becomes Kyuubi...Kurama controls his body instead of his own soul & Oro has no control over Kurama.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I meant break the bounds of ET. He's guaranteed to somehow break ET because he's in the Kyuubi's shroud? Swapping places somehow unshackled his soul? I'm asking questions because it seems to just be speculation.

well the thing is, minato may be an edo, but yin kurama isn't. His chakra and soul is very much alive within minato, he isn't a dead entity like minato. Therefore he cannot be bound by the spell of ET. Even if yin kurama could be controlled via et, orochimaru simply isn't powerful enough to do it. Obito with both hashirama cells and uchiha dna, plus mangeyou sharingan, plus rinnegan, plus chakra rods still had trouble controlling the beasts. Kokuo had the will and strength to disobey. Orochimaru isn't anywhere near obitos level of power, so it's simply impossible for him to control yin kurama.

Even if oro is controlling minato, since yin kurama and minato are on good terms, kurama can easily overtake minato and overwhelm oro with his power. It's just not feasibly possible for oro to be able to control a tailed beast, especially when he isn't an uchiha or senju. If Hashi can resist without even breaking a sweat, then yin kurama most certainly can flood minato with pools of chakra to overcome the control.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

If edo tensai is being allowed(only way oro can be that high up) then kabuto should be higher than his current position. Above hashirama, and oro.

 

[HiddenSound]

Well when he swap place he basically becomes Kyuubi...Kurama controls his body instead of his own soul & Oro has no control over Kurama.

But he can control Minato, who can control the Kyuubi. If Minato's will breaks down, Kyuubi would have no choice but to go along with Minato.
But here's a question, can the Bijuu of a perfect Jinchuriki high jack the body without the Jinchuriki's consent?

well the thing is, minato may be an edo, but yin kurama isn't. His chakra and soul is very much alive within minato, he isn't a dead entity like minato. Therefore he cannot be bound by the spell of ET. Even if yin kurama could be controlled via et, orochimaru simply isn't powerful enough to do it. Obito with both hashirama cells and uchiha dna, plus mangeyou sharingan, plus rinnegan, plus chakra rods still had trouble controlling the beasts. Kokuo had the will and strength to disobey. Orochimaru isn't anywhere near obitos level of power, so it's simply impossible for him to control yin kurama.

Even if oro is controlling minato, since yin kurama and minato are on good terms, kurama can easily overtake minato and overwhelm oro with his power. It's just not feasibly possible for oro to be able to control a tailed beast, especially when he isn't an uchiha or senju. If Hashi can resist without even breaking a sweat, then yin kurama most certainly can flood minato with pools of chakra to overcome the control.

I see where you're coming from but I still remain unconvinced. Orochimaru wouldn't xonrtol Kyuubi by himself, he'd control it by controlling Minato.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

But he can control Minato, who can control the Kyuubi. If Minato's will breaks down, Kyuubi would have no choice but to go along with Minato.
But here's a question, can the Bijuu of a perfect Jinchuriki high jack the body without the Jinchuriki's consent?

I see where you're coming from but I still remain unconvinced. Orochimaru wouldn't xonrtol Kyuubi by himself, he'd control it by controlling Minato.

Oro can't control the edo's tho..he didn't put the tag in. At best he can surpress them but that Claus dosen't extended to tailed beasts as seen with obito's paths.

 

[HiddenSound]

Oro can't control the edo's tho..he didn't put the tag in. At best he can surpress them but that Claus dosen't extended to tailed beasts as seen with obito's paths.

True, we haven't seen Orochimaru actively manipulating the Edos without the talismans. But let's assume for the sake of argument he can or he does have a talisman in them. What do you mean with Obito's Paths?

 

[Great Master Minato]

But he can control Minato, who can control the Kyuubi. If Minato's will breaks down, Kyuubi would have no choice but to go along with Minato.
But here's a question, can the Bijuu of a perfect Jinchuriki high jack the body without the Jinchuriki's consent?

Don't know about the bold but from what we have seen in Manga, Kurama doesn't like to be controlled specially by those who have evil intentions...

 

[BenjerminGaye]

True, we haven't seen Orochimaru actively manipulating the Edos without the talismans. But let's assume for the sake of argument he can or he does have a talisman in them. What do you mean with Obito's Paths?

Obito's paths are kabuto's edo's and as such most likely have talismans in them like every other edo in kabuto's set. Yet despite having that layer of control and the rinnegan rods/path (I think it's outer) on top of it a tailed beast was still able to resist and attack him. Oro is lacking both.

You can even factor obito's hashirama half as another form of control since oro used it to restrict tobirama, yET the path still attacked him.

 

[HiddenSound]

Don't know about the bold but from what we have seen in Manga, Kurama doesn't like to be controlled specially by those who have evil intentions...

What the Kyuubi wants and prefers doesn't really play a factor though :/

Obito's paths are kabuto's edo's and as such most likely have talismans in them like every other edo in kabuto's set. Yet despite having that layer of control and the rinnegan rods/path (I think it's outer) on top of it a tailed beast was still able to resist and attack him. Oro is lacking both.

You can even factor obito's hashirama half as another form of control since oro used it to restrict tobirama.

Oh yeah, that's right. I only read that fight once a long time ago lol
Even though, if I remember correctly, Kabuto nor Obito were controlling the Bijuu directly and that could've caused his temporary lapse into freedom, I'll consent because there's not enough evidence to properly counter that.