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So anyone who is still watching this anime adaption might as well drop it and move onto the Visual Novel if you want to read through the actual, good Fate/Stay Night. Miura is a goddamn hack. He butchered this adaption to hell.

>turns out the 90+ min extra footage on BD version is actually 73+ min of OST

1st cour had major problems as an anime adaption and it could have been fixed by the 90+min BD footage, but too bad Miura is too much of a douchebag for that.
 

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I don't understand where that is coming from. Please point out where the anime butchered the source. Point out specific examples so that I may know. The only noticeable difference is the fight with Caster happened on the bridge instead of in Shirou's house. And I think mind that at all. Shirou is portrayed as somewhat useless in this first half, more so than usual, but it's like that even in the novel. He doesn't start going protagonist until the certain scene between Archer and Rin. There are other smaller changes that are acceptable.
 

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I don't understand where that is coming from. Please point out where the anime butchered the source. Point out specific examples so that I may know. The only noticeable difference is the fight with Caster happened on the bridge instead of in Shirou's house. And I think mind that at all. Shirou is portrayed as somewhat useless in this first half, more so than usual, but it's like that even in the novel. He doesn't start going protagonist until the certain scene between Archer and Rin. There are other smaller changes that are acceptable.

Because Shirou's character was messed up. And it's not just the Taiganapping scene. They cut out or altered most of his snarky moments with Rin which is really a heavy point to make Shirou over-all a likeable guy and if you can't make a character likeable then his complexity does not matter as no one is going to care about him. He's just going to be that one ''annoying typical shounen MC''. He's way too passive in the anime when talking to Rin.

They didn't include his inner thoughts in battles such as Rider vs Shirou and Archer vs Caster and thus have a completely off picture of his character. For an example, anime Shirou seemed like an arrogant idiot by telling Rider she's nothing compared to the other Servant and even he can take her on and then got wrecked by her literally a second later and had to be saved by Rin. VN Shirou immediately has thoughts about how he's finding it unbelieveable that he can keep up with her and that he should have been dead already multiple times, showing that he isn't arrogant and knows in what kind of a situation he is in.

Once again, he comes off as an arrogant idiot in Caster vs Archer because he yells at Archer to let go of him because he can take care of himself while in the VN he has thoughts about how he doesn't want to burden Archer with his own lack of competence. That is relevant to his hero complex and his lack of care for his own self.

It's not about his uselessness, it's about his likeability and character itself. Shirou isn't an arrogant idiot in the novel. His off portrayal in the anime is not a good thing because the whole story-telling of Fate/Stay Night and the topic it discusses heavily depends on Shirou and his character. If the anime can't replicate the Shirou from the VN, it becomes a bad adaption because Fate/Stay Night was never a story about the Grail War. It is a story about Shirou's world-view and ideals. It discusses the topic of heroism in increasingly cynical ways through Shirou's character.

That's why most anime fans think of Shirou as a stupid typical shounen MC while the VN fans love him. There's also the case of lack of info dumps and other minor things.
 

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Most of the important moments with Rin are there. And besides the most important moments with Rin haven't even been shown yet. I understand where you're coming from, but anime just doesn't go that into depth with inner dialogue. The VN was basically all of Shirou's thoughts. This is probably as true an adaption would ever be. Anime, especially one with fast paced action like this, doesn't have time to go to inner monologue during fight scenes. One because that'd force them to extend fight scenes meaningless to create more time for the dialogue, and two no one wants to hear blabbering in the background over the OSTs when people are fighting.

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Because Shirou's character was messed up. And it's not just the Taiganapping scene. They cut out or altered most of his snarky moments with Rin which is really a heavy point to make Shirou over-all a likeable guy and if you can't make a character likeable then his complexity does not matter as no one is going to care about him. He's just going to be that one ''annoying typical shounen MC''. He's way too passive in the anime when talking to Rin.

They didn't include his inner thoughts in battles such as Rider vs Shirou and Archer vs Caster and thus have a completely off picture of his character. For an example, anime Shirou seemed like an arrogant idiot by telling Rider she's nothing compared to the other Servant and even he can take her on and then got wrecked by her literally a second later and had to be saved by Rin. VN Shirou immediately has thoughts about how he's finding it unbelieveable that he can keep up with her and that he should have been dead already multiple times, showing that he isn't arrogant and knows in what kind of a situation he is in.

Once again, he comes off as an arrogant idiot in Caster vs Archer because he yells at Archer to let go of him because he can take care of himself while in the VN he has thoughts about how he doesn't want to burden Archer with his own lack of competence. That is relevant to his hero complex and his lack of care for his own self.

It's not about his uselessness, it's about his likeability and character itself. Shirou isn't an arrogant idiot in the novel. His off portrayal in the anime is not a good thing because the whole story-telling of Fate/Stay Night and the topic it discusses heavily depends on Shirou and his character. If the anime can't replicate the Shirou from the VN, it becomes a bad adaption because Fate/Stay Night was never a story about the Grail War. It is a story about Shirou's world-view and ideals. It discusses the topic of heroism in increasingly cynical ways through Shirou's character.

That's why most anime fans think of Shirou as a stupid typical shounen MC while the VN fans love him. There's also the case of lack of info dumps and other minor things.

Someone who hasn't read the VN, yes go with the VN too. I've seen a few people complain about the adaptation, yes mostly about how shirou is portrayed. However I am really fine with them not adapting the VN PERFECTLY. Its an understandable thing that you can't include every action or monologue in the anime. Especially not the monolgues.

But then the fans' arguments aren't that unreasonable, since most of what they are saying could've been done easily. Though it can't be done now. So shirou fans shall suffer and I shall enjoy that.

BTW I'm a VN fan and I do not find the guy compelling. Yes his character has quite a lot of elements to it. But except for a few, most of them I frankly am neutral about.
 

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On a side note, Saber is now the strongest Heroic Spirit thanks to Garden of Avalon.

It was only a matter of time. Sasuga Takeuchi.
 

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Thank God they put there a special condition for the mentioned full power of Excalibur or some. So technically gil is not stronk enough so that the sword can pull out the full power against him. :| Too early to say anything about it.
 

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On a side note, Saber is now the strongest Heroic Spirit thanks to Garden of Avalon.

It was only a matter of time. Sasuga Takeuchi.

Isn't Garden of Avalon only working when the planet threatened ? Atleast that is what I heard .
Couldn't Achilles beat Saber since she lacks divinity ?

Wasn't Arcueid a servant in Fate/Extra ? I don't see how Saber has a chance against her
 

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Bumping because bored.

Isn't Garden of Avalon only working when the planet threatened ? Atleast that is what I heard .

Yes. She still loses to Gil regardless of the new weapon since his mana output would nerf him in any Grail War, regardless his Master.

Nothing would change even if Sakura was his Master.

Couldn't Achilles beat Saber since she lacks divinity ?

Mordred wounded Chiron. Arturia can wound Heracles, just is unable to bypass God-Hand with normal strikes. Excalibur and Clarent can fight back against the Divinity skill so Arturia is very much capable of defeating Achilles.

Wasn't Arcueid a servant in Fate/Extra ? I don't see how Saber has a chance against her

Haven't finished Extra yet, but yes, even 30% Arcueid can defeat Arturia.
 
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