Naruto Uzumaki!

[To Whatever]

Uh yeah I am typing this from my iPad so the next argument may be delayed a little lol



Except that is to master a gamechanging ability which they already possess thanks to their backgrounds.Lee was able to match some of these characters dspite not having ANY of these natural abilities.He was able to fight on par with them from nothing.They are able to fight on par with him after mastering a clan/natural ability.Theres a difference to start from nothing and to get to where you are rather than being told "Yeah you possess ABC natural quality now you just gotta have to master it"






He is the only one who isnt naturally gifted with any ability yet fights on par starting from zero

And many people dont have Legendary teachers as their god fathers


Sasuke was a underdog in the Itachi fight but from a bigger picture to me both Naruto and Sasuke are not under dogs





First in the forest of death he faced Orochimaru who he again turned Kurama mode on in.Then later on he beat Kiba fairly.After that he was taught how to somewhat control Kurama's chakra by Jiraiaya.Note,there arent many people who can get access to training by one of the Legendary Sannin yet Naruto got access to it.And he beat Neji using Kurama's chakra which the moment he used made him stop being the under dog as he became just like the others who rely on natural gifted strengths to win.And yes he still has to train to master that chakra I agree
And IIRC the one tailed form and above is dangerous to his body.Just using the Kurama chakra like in the Neji fight isnt dangerous to him



Since he had massive chakra reserves he was able to shortcut his way in the Rasen Shuriken training and quickly near catch up to Sasuke just using clones.Kakashi said Naruto was the only one who could learn moves that way and he himself couldnt because of low chakra reserves.He caught up to Sasuke who had trained for 3 years (i dont recall the exact timeskip) in just 2-3 days(dont kno the duration of the training) because of his new jutsu and training.

Using shadow clones is a "Cheat" way of training.And he also has naturally gifted staminas to maintain them for a long period




Yet he demonstrates himself as cut from a different cloth when it comes to actual battles.He isnt as smart in exams,yes but his fights are an entirely different story

This is straight from the wiki




^^That aint how underdogs are


Some of the jutsus he masters arent possible if you are not patient


No one can tell what he is thinking when he is serious


Yeah

He mostly experiments with clones which he can use such a huge number of because of his chakra reserves and stamina.



He has an exceptional life force and naturally great chakra reserves which help him in fights as he is a Uzumaki.In the Pain fight the moment he transformed back from kyuubi mode,even Deva Path was exhausted yet Naruto was completely fine and summoned a whole field of clones to beat him and Katsuyu concluded he was "only slightly fatigued"
He is able to survive grievious injuries too




Okay But he knew how to use the seal's key after receiving Gerotora, and later resealed Kurama after he separated a majority of chakra from the fox.When accessing Shukaku's power, Naruto can use its natural cursed seal markings to bind targets


The only reason he learned Tajuu Kage Bunshin was because it was a one seal justu. It was just due to the fact that not many people who actually use it effectively because of what it did to your chakra.Many just cant use it in the first place because of low chakra.Part 1 Kakashi admitted to Naruto at the bridge that Naruto could summon clones and he himself couldnt as he doesnt have the chakra to do it




And will a normal underdog be so naturally gifted in the first place as to have

1)Chakra Prowess and Life Force as well as exceptional stamina
2)An living entity whose chakra he easily can rely on although he has to master it
3)Being told that he holds the key to the world's solutions
4)Being a descendant of "Jesus" of NV to speak

A true underdog does not have so many natural talents





He can use those clones in the first place because of his lineage so it doesnt make him much different than those people who master the natural abilities they already have





Rasengan was a more complex jutsu than Chidori to learn.I cant find the scan but Jiriaya tells Naruto that learning the jutsu makes the chidori look like nothing therefore its not surpirsing that he took a few more tries to learn it.




A real underdog or a failure generally never finds access to high profile teachers to teach something like that in the first place




Okay





He was able to master a technique which Jiraiya(in imperfect mode) and Orochimaru despite having lower reserves than him couldnt master in an entire life time in just one week.That ways a lot of how skilled he is in tha trespect


The basic foundation of all these things proves he aint a underdog as people dont have that many talents to master to begin with.They start from zero and work their way up based just on their own merit not god abilities they needed to master

>And the 8 gates isn't a gamechanging ability? You act as if anyone can learn 8 gates. The point being is that 8 gates and KKG justu are both equally hard to master. How useful is byakugan if you don't know how to use any justu or incredibly inept at it. That's basically starting from Zero as well. No one in the NV are equals at birth to begin with. Don't act like Lee is any special due to it. Especialy when he has Gai. I could see if Lee was doing all of that by himself.

>His Natural ability is his Drive. He's not called a genius of hard work for no reason -_-.

>His Legendary Godfather wasn't with him from damn near the start of the series.

>Of course he would be an underdog to someone with more experience. I'm talking about out of K11 and the people around his age at the time

>He beat Kiba off a fluke then took advantage of it. Kurama isn't an natural gift. He's a double edged sword given to him around the time he was born. Using Kurama's chakra is dangerous. I'm not sure you or the other guy understands how the seal works.

> I agree on the chuunin fight with Neji. That's the exact moment he stopped becoming an underdog and someone to be acknowledged. That's around the same Sasuke stopped looking at him as a weakling.

My point is that Naruto was an underdog. and prophecies and KKG doesn't make you excused from that label.

I mean The current Lee isn't an underdog what so ever.

No, the point is it eating his life force didn't hamper his success at the time

The slow creep is answered in the above. And he was still able to summon bunta during the training, so with so much in his favor short term, and longterm prophecy's of destiny being proclaimed of him, how when looking back can we call him an underdog

He failed summing bunta even after the training and doing it successfully during the gaara fight:

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[Stxluciferr]

He failed summing bunta even after the training and doing it successfully during the gaara fight:

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Jiraiya makes it clear in that scan he just needs more practice to be more consistent

 

[Adam Driver]

Many are just peanut butter and jealous that he's Hokage

 

[Lariatoo]

No...
I don't dislike him because of that.
Three are various other seasons... XD

 

[End of Days]

An underdog isn't someone destined for greatness. He's someone who defies circumstances and overcomes the odds by sheer hardwork, not through being a "Child of Prophecy" or the "Reincarnation of Ashura". They shape their own destiny, not follow a path to the destiny that is strength which was already defined by prophecies and bloodlines and lineage. Naruto was born into a lineage riddled with huge names, the Rikudo Sennin, Namikaze Minato and Otsutsuki Ashura. He grew up having incredible potential and talent, but no skill. All he had to do was practice for a little bit, then he'd have what he wanted.

Do you know that there were two children of prophecies? Nagato and Naruto, does that ring any bell?

And nagato was an utter failure. He did not succeed just by being mentioned in a prophecy bv a toad

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"Reincarnation of ashura", did that help him learn rasengan? did that help him learn sage mode? did that solve all his problems with his bijuu automatically?

Hashirama was also a reincarnation, did he solve the world problems magically just by sitting on his ass and telling everyone that he is a reincarnation?

In fact there are a long list of reincarnations, do tell me why didn't any of them were able to do what Naruto did?

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You mention lineage but also fail to mention that he didn't inherit any of kushina or minato's powerful. Did he inherit kushina's chakra chains or sealing skills, or any of Minato's? No?

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So tell me how did this diminish anything he has done.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Naruto solos the Uchiha clan.

 

[Michael]

Naruto solos the Uchiha clan.

Indeed he does

 

[shelke]

He had great power from the start and an excellent lineage. He gained ranks through multiplying experience from his Shadow Clones exploitation. Too bad, he lacked intelligence though. Nothing but a pile of potatoes. Hard-work? Naruto? What a joke.

And that characterization. What can one say about it? Another cliche in a pile of cliches.

He failed summing bunta even after the training and doing it successfully during the gaara fight:

He did that with Kurama's chakra, not his own.

 

[maniaoqan]

Underdog. Reincarnation. Prophecy.

These words just don't sit well together.

 

[Adam Driver]

He had great power from the start and an excellent lineage. He gained ranks through multiplying experience from his Shadow Clones exploitation. Too bad, he lacked intelligence though. Nothing but a pile of potatoes. Hard-work? Naruto? What a joke.

And that characterization. What can one say about it? Another cliche in a pile of cliches.

what manga are you reading?

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[shelke]

SNIP

Won't use shortcuts, yet uses KGs to cut down the learning time. Short cut every single time. Thus, every time he uses KGs, his learning time is cut by half. The more he uses it, the shorter it gets. I suggest you scoot over to Kakashi's explanation and the fact that Naruto used to use KGs even for simple Rasangans.

 

[Adam Driver]

Won't use shortcuts, yet uses KGs to cut down the learning time. Short cut every single time. Thus, every time he uses KGs, his learning time is cut by half. The more he uses it, the shorter it gets. I suggest you scoot over to Kakashi's explanation and the fact that Naruto used to use KGs even for simple Rasangans.

So having good productivity equates to not working hard? Ok, ignore the manga facts or whatever you have a nice day.

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[Natsu Shazneel]

Naruto is the sexiest man alive.

 

[maniaoqan]

Naruto is the sexiest man alive.

Ok. If you say so.. :|

 

[take it easy]

He had great power from the start and an excellent lineage. He gained ranks through multiplying experience from his Shadow Clones exploitation. Too bad, he lacked intelligence though. Nothing but a pile of potatoes. Hard-work? Naruto? What a joke.

And that characterization. What can one say about it? Another cliche in a pile of cliches.



He did that with Kurama's chakra, not his own.

Manga disagrees.

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[Natsu Shazneel]

Ok. If you say so.. :|

Naruto had the whole village wanting his D.

 

[maniaoqan]

Naruto had the whole village wanting his D.

Absolutely man.. I respect you, there is no need for trouble I'm leaving..

 

[shelke]

So having good productivity equates to not working hard? Ok, ignore the manga facts or whatever you have a nice day.

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Obviously cutting down the learning time drastically and obscenely means hard-work. Who are we kidding, right?

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Absolutely man.. I respect you, there is no need for trouble I'm leaving..

You know what I like that. +1 rep

 

[KingHashirama]

Underdog: a competitor thought to have little chance of winning a fight or contest.


^^^^^^ This applied highly to Naruto uzumaki. No matter what the haters want to say. In Naruto-verse , Naruto would've been the last person for Hokage from his generation..