Ending the Itachi vs. Kakashi debate Part 1: 3T Kakashi > 3T Itachi
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obito uchiha the wraith
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video games dont count :/ never have never will.
he didnt use it against oro and deidara but he did do this..
1. against kid sasuke
1.against kakashi
1.against sasuke again
1.against jiraiays toad right after
was going to use it on kakashi again but couldnt because body clones
1 tsukuyomi 2. amaterasus 2susanoos against sasuke
1 amaterasu 2-3 susanoos 2 tsukuyomis and izanami if that counts against kabuto.
thats spam in my book.
This hypocritical clown. You brought up Sasuke, I don't see what he has to do with this either.
The bold is demeaning considering 3T Kakashi was getting punked by 3T Itachi even before Itachi used MS. If you had read the manga you would know that.
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Ghost in the Shell
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Lmfao, I'll shit on her post when I get on a PC. Ironic that we're talking about fanfic here, looks like nobody bothered to read the OP as usual with this site
If they're approved by Kishimoto, they do.
xD But on a more serious note- I don't consider it spam given how often the other main Uchiha used their eyes.
We have Obito using kamui non-stop in every scenario, Madara/Sasuke opening with Susano'o, and Itachi starting off with something like kunai and then moving on to MS. By comparison, it's not spam. He works his way up.
Also, those moments you listed were in just 2 different encounters (there's one more time he used MS repeatedly which was against Bee/Kabuto in the same few day(s) for Amaterasu) . It actually proves it is not spam even more so, since other 3 encounters, he didn't.
My only point is that he didn't use MS all the time and he did use it less than Sasuke/Obito/Madara. He didn't have Senju DNA like Obito did to keep his sight, but didn't really go semi-blind until 8 years after acquiring MS. That says enough. But, I understand that he did use it many times (then again, what Uchiha didn't use they it often?) and agree with this.
obito uchiha the wraith
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itachi wasnt punking anyone before ms. it was even at the least kakashi only took damage from one hit prior too because he needed to defend kurenai.
obito uchiha the wraith
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he relies on it heavily just because other users use it more doesnt make it any less spam especially considering the damage it does to him is much worse. the games are all non canon so no that fight never happened. if you want to tell me the games are canon then so is mecha naruto, fire rasengan, gates hinata, ems madara using rinnegan techs and a bunch of other things that arent canon.If they're approved by Kishimoto, they do.
But on a more serious note- I don't consider it spam given how often the other main Uchiha used their eyes.
We have Obito using kamui non-stop in every scenario, Madara/Sasuke opening with Susano'o, and Itachi starting off with something like kunai and then moving on to MS. By comparison, it's not spam. He works his way up.
Also, those moments you listed were in just 2 different encounters (there's one more time he used MS repeatedly which was against Bee/Kabuto in the same few day(s) for Amaterasu) . It actually proves it is not spam even more so, since other 3 encounters, he didn't.
My only point is that he didn't use MS all the time and he did use it less than Sasuke/Obito/Madara. He didn't have Senju DNA like Obito did to keep his sight, but didn't really go semi-blind until 8 years after acquiring MS. That says enough. But, I understand that he did use it many times (then again, what Uchiha didn't use they it often?) and agree with this.
Surpisingly good thread, though I disagree with what said. The manga portrays who's stronger in their encounters this thread is still rather good. Not much of a debater but I'll try and write a reply for this when I can be bothered to.
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Interesting.
I'd like to break down this thread and counter arguments myself, but I'm in a bit of a predicament at the moment and don't have the time or motivation right now. So I'd really like to see an Itachi fan properly handle this thread, instead of just posting "err no" or "manga says differently" without any kind of argumentation of their own.
Come on. Rebuttal those of his arguments which are flawed, and post your own scans to support your points.
I'd like to break down this thread and counter arguments myself, but I'm in a bit of a predicament at the moment and don't have the time or motivation right now. So I'd really like to see an Itachi fan properly handle this thread, instead of just posting "err no" or "manga says differently" without any kind of argumentation of their own.
Come on. Rebuttal those of his arguments which are flawed, and post your own scans to support your points.
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Itachi has much superior shuriken jutsus, so great that doton walls simply isn't enough. This probably compensates for his allegedly inferior cqc
Yeah, my posts sounds pretty condescending though. Didn't really mean it to be, but ah well. xD
Everyone on this site fangirls/fanboys something whether they choose to admit it or not. Some are just more direct about it.
Then again, I'd probably make the same post for 3-tomoe adult Obito and 3-tomoe Hebi Sasuke beating 3-tomoe Kakashi. It's just what I believe. -shrugs- But yeah, I definitely admit that my post is biased. Not due to the characters, just because I do think that one being stronger than the other is fact. 3-tomoe Itachi beats 3-tomoe Kakashi. DMS Kakashi merks any version of Itachi and that's just the way it is to me.
No, you likely will not. Besides, I won't see your reply anyway. xD You can post back if you want to, but it may not be worth it to put in any more effort tbh.
Some people did. You actually did post some good feats for Kakashi... but the OP did have some pretty biased statements as well.
You stated that Kakashi was smarter than Itachi. This is a little too subjective. Not even sure if that should be included.
Stated that Itachi cannot hold a candle to Kakashi in ninjutsu. I don't think the gap between their abilities there is that wide. You entirely failed to include most of Itachi's arsenal. Too one-sided.
Stated Kakashi can see through all 3-tomoe genjutsu since he has a 3-tomoe sharingan so that wouldn't be much of a factor. Hebi Sasuke with 3-tomoe talked to an illusion of Itachi on his throne being stabbed for a few moments before realizing it was a genjutsu.
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Also, med-diff? No, this fight would go to high-diff if they're fighting with 3-tomoe.
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Lol, are we reading the same manga? Kakashi was on the defense the whole time....yet you claim Itachi would have got his ass kicked if not for Tsukuyomi? Lol
Underestimating Itachi's jutsu speed I see, his ability for clone feints surpasses that of Kakashi's who needs to usually hide off screen in order to do it,while Itachi can just flat out blitz you with a clone.
-By feats his speed is tiers ahead of Hebi Sasuke who he blitzed straight out with ease even when half dead,
-Kakashi already stated his jutsu casting speed is extremely fast
-Itachi combines all of his aspects into his combat with much more efficiency than Kakashi crow genjutsu will catch Kakashi even if he can break it its still enough for Itachi to take advantage of it.
-Itachi can spam projectiles to force Kakashi into mud wall then shunsin above and fireball Kakashi into the ground. Kakashi's only hope would be head hunter but that has already been reacted to with ease and Itachi won't fall for a clone feint.
Literally turn that final paragraph into a genjutsu by Itachi because that's how it may go down. I'd like a scan of him countering Obito's genjutsu though
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Honestly Kakashi can win this HIGH Diff at best if not Itachi wins it.... His jutsu speed just is loads ahead of Kakashi's combine that with genjutsu that makes Kakashi look like a fool and just plain Shunsin speed that is equal to if not better than Kakashi's and its a close fight.
Of course MS Shits on 3T Kakashi
OP: This was actually a pretty good thread though nice details and all with a few faults, came in here thinking Itachi wins 10/10 but now Kakashi can clearly win, ignore everyone who says its trash you'll never find decent responses when you post threads like this
This is wrong Jiraiya already stated you just need good chakra control to "release" from a genjutsu
-By feats his speed is tiers ahead of Hebi Sasuke who he blitzed straight out with ease even when half dead,
-Kakashi already stated his jutsu casting speed is extremely fast
-Itachi combines all of his aspects into his combat with much more efficiency than Kakashi crow genjutsu will catch Kakashi even if he can break it its still enough for Itachi to take advantage of it.
-Itachi can spam projectiles to force Kakashi into mud wall then shunsin above and fireball Kakashi into the ground. Kakashi's only hope would be head hunter but that has already been reacted to with ease and Itachi won't fall for a clone feint.
Literally turn that final paragraph into a genjutsu by Itachi because that's how it may go down. I'd like a scan of him countering Obito's genjutsu though
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Clearly Itachi already knew it was a shadow clone hence why he said "No wonder" Itachi shits on Kakashi in genjutsu.Honestly Kakashi can win this HIGH Diff at best if not Itachi wins it.... His jutsu speed just is loads ahead of Kakashi's combine that with genjutsu that makes Kakashi look like a fool and just plain Shunsin speed that is equal to if not better than Kakashi's and its a close fight.
Of course MS Shits on 3T Kakashi
OP: This was actually a pretty good thread though nice details and all with a few faults, came in here thinking Itachi wins 10/10 but now Kakashi can clearly win, ignore everyone who says its trash you'll never find decent responses when you post threads like this
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Magatsu Izanagi
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That's exactly the kind of mentality that killed the Itachi fanbase. Or ran it into the ground, anyways.
When does something become "worth it"? The OP isn't cutting/pasting an old thread. His argumentation isn't the exact same that was used "so many times" in the past (and from what I've skimmed, he has some points that I've never seen before, even if they are flawed or not).
So it can, and should, definitely be debunked anew.
Nah, my posts weren't too good. I didn't really use scans and take the time to address every aspect. This debate has been overdone and has an established winner for a long time, so I don't see much merit here.
I will say that the OP put in some effort to defend Kakashi's side, which is cool.
obito uchiha the wraith
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yeah all you showed me is kakashi fighting on even footing with itachi and only getting hit because kurenai didnt know it was an exploding clone. if its just 3t vs 3t itachi gets murked.
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