[VS] Kakuzu vs Kimimaro

[super yang]

Ah, Yes?

yes? Yes.

so then ur implying that its ''probable'' that 1 of his 5 jutsu was from his primary affinity/a 93 yr old heart/chakra flow?

...rather than having all 5 implanted hearts?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

yes? Yes.

so then ur implying that its ''probable'' that 1 of his 5 jutsu was from his primary affinity/a 93 yr old heart/chakra flow?

...rather than having all 5 implanted hearts?

Re read the post

 

[Zexion~]

No evidence for your claim. If we go by which is more "probable" then obviously im leading towards Suiton.

Again....Waterfall Village kind of sounds suitonish to me

He never used Domu after the mask was broken, never used suiton at all

 

[TRE MERCER]

Erm, well

L0l what are hearths?​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Again....Waterfall Village kind of sounds suitonish to me

He never used Domu after the mask was broken, never used suiton at all

Right so you have no idea what got destroyed since the fact he didnt use these two affinity.

It's more probable to be Suiton do to the fact that theres no feat other then hardening himself with Doton. Kakuzu's separates Ghost from his body to battle Shinobi Alliance. What could Ghost possibly be doing hardening itself to fight them off? Sounds stupid to me

 

[Amaterasu]

so, do U realize that kakuzu is restricted to only use generic taijutsu, ...right?
U took away his elements & his shape-shifting....and U have trapped him in a cave w/ a nigh-indestructible earth-mover & swordsman...

What kind of match is this?
You stripped away Kakuzu's whole arsenal. He's naked like a baby here. Waiting to get boned to death.

Lol........restricted all his Ninjutsu, and gave Kimimaro something he didn't have, even if it's irrelevant.

Think it's clear who stomps who.

Stupid thread. Zex's husband gets raped.

:|

At least give Kakuzu anime feats. Yeah its a doton mask he doesn't use Domu without it. I mean he still has speed and kept up with Kakashi in CQC off screen Lol

Kimi wins though,

He comes from the village of waterfalls U_U EGF is a forbidden jutsu so it has no affinity

If Kimmimaro bones can breach Kakuzu armors he wins.​

And without restrictions ?

 

[KidGamer65]

No evidence for your claim. If we go by which is more "probable" then obviously im leading towards Suiton.

Manga shows Kakuzu with ONLY 4 abilities and 4 elements corresponding to those abilities. After that mask was destroyed, he never used Domu again. He only used Raiton, Katon, and Fuuton. Meaning that his Doton mask was destroyed. Using filler as evidence that he might've had another heart doesn't make any sense.

There is no most probable if you evaluate by facts, and not opinions on what you think it should be.

Right so you have no idea what got destroyed since the fact he didnt use these two affinity.

Wrong. We know it was Doton, cause he was never hinted or stated or shown to have Suiton in the manga. That simple.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Manga shows Kakuzu with ONLY 4 abilities and 4 elements corresponding to those abilities. After that mask was destroyed, he never used Domu again. He only used Raiton, Katon, and Fuuton. Meaning that his Doton mask was destroyed. Using filler as evidence that he might've had another heart doesn't make any sense.

There is no most probable if you evaluate by facts, and not opinions on what you think it should be.

I never evaluated it by mere opinion but Manga and DB description support:

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Wrong. We know it was Doton, cause he was never hinted or stated or shown to have Suiton in the manga. That simple.

Right

 

[RicardoA]

And without restrictions ?

I wouldn't underestimate an Akatsuki member. I'll go with Kakuzu, high-diff.

 

[Lariatoo]

Kimmi wins med high diff with restrictions.
Loses med diff whitout it.

 

[Zexion~]

Right so you have no idea what got destroyed since the fact he didnt use these two affinity.

It's more probable to be Suiton do to the fact that theres no feat other then hardening himself with Doton. Kakuzu's separates Ghost from his body to battle Shinobi Alliance. What could Ghost possibly be doing hardening itself to fight them off? Sounds stupid to me

Nothing ever states that each mask has one jutsu Lol the katon and fuuton already showed two jutsu, Kakuzu had mastery over every element he possessed had he been giving ample screen time he'd have showed much more OP jutsu.
Obviously he'd know more than just a defensive jutsu.

Kakuzu can use all 5 elements but he can only use four at a time, without his base affinity of course, which he never showed feats of.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Nothing ever states that each mask has one jutsu

And nothing ever states that each mask has more then one jutsu, point?

Lol the katon and fuuton already showed two jutsu,

No they haven't. They only shown they can be scaled higher and lower.

Kakuzu had mastery over every element he possessed had he been giving ample screen time he'd have showed much more OP jutsu.

Same can be implied with Suiton like DB stated.

Obviously he'd know more than just a defensive jutsu.

Doton is mainly defense so how can I think otherwise?

Databook on Nature Manipulation:

Specificities of the five great Nature Alterations

Fire
Flame-like high-temperature chakra that burns everything it touches to a crisp. It has the additional effect of setting the target aflame, and stands besides Wind as an offense-specialized style.

Wind
Blade-like chakra to behead, split and sever anything and anyone. Used with special ninja tools or in jutsu, it has the best offensive ability in close to medium range.

Lightning
Easy to diffuse, it has good compatibility with medium to long range jutsu. Infused into a metallic weapon, it adds harming and killing efficiency, as well as electrocution...!!

Earth
The Nature that alters everything in solidity and composition. If one masters it, it is possible to give jutsu or objects the resistance of steel and the flexibility of clay.

Water
A good compatibility with various Shape Alterations. Creating a mist to hide oneself, or a tidal wave for confinement, it is greatly beneficial for supporting purposes.

 

[Zexion~]

And nothing ever states that each mask has more then one jutsu, point?



No they haven't. They only shown they can be scaled higher and lower.



Same can be implied with Suiton like DB stated.



Doton is mainly defense so how can I think otherwise?

Databook on Nature Manipulation:

Lmfao totally wrong

Kakuzu's Katon is a fireball dropping onto the ground, the one he used

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clearly doesn't show that at all. Nothing is "scaled" this fuuton is merely a minor fuuton.

I don't see how you can have mastery over an element and not know more than one jutsu... but that is just me Lol

Don't play that there are plenty of offensive Doton's my man

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Lmfao totally wrong

Kakuzu's Katon is a fireball dropping onto the ground, the one he used

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clearly doesn't show that at all. Nothing is "scaled" this fuuton is merely a minor fuuton.

No Kakuzu's high scale attack drops the fireball to spread wide. Doesn't mean it cant be spark in the air, like the scan you just post(first panel). But jutsu literally starts off the same.

Same for Futon it literally is the same pressure blast drop to a smaller scale.

The attack would literally have its own DB page if it was different.

I don't see how you can have mastery over an element and not know more than one jutsu... but that is just me Lol

Ok its just you. Doesn't really prove anything that you personally believe without it being supported. For me Kakuzu master the element jutsu he actually does have in his possession = mastery over the element. And that statement is supported.

Don't play that there are plenty of offensive Doton's my man

Like what? The only one I know is one, that can be use naturally and that is hiruzen's Doton Steam. Thats it. And no hints of Kakuzu being able to do something like that

 

[Zexion~]

No Kakuzu's high scale attack drops the fireball to spread wide. Doesn't mean it cant be spark in the air, like the scan you just post(first panel). But jutsu literally starts off the same.

Same for Futon it literally is the same pressure blast drop to a smaller scale.

The attack would literally have its own DB page if it was different.



Ok its just you. Doesn't really prove anything that you personally believe without it being supported. For me Kakuzu master the element jutsu he actually does have in his possession = mastery over the element. And that statement is supported.



Like what? The only one I know is one, that can be use naturally and that is hiruzen's Doton Steam. Thats it. And no hints of Kakuzu being able to do something like that

:| If Hiruzens 4 generic elemental jutsu get a DB page i'd be very surprised Lol blasts of Elemental chakra doesn't need a DB Page.

Also Nah Kakuzu's katon rides on the ground :| That one didn't even touch it.

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"Mastery of his chakra nature" Don't know where you got mastery over the one jutsu? Even the Fuuton DB States that with mastery of the fuuton nature Kakuzu increases the damage and capabilities of the jutsu.

Yeah actually I don't recall many offensive earth style's either but Kakuzu's Doton mask doesn't have to leave the body Lol actually I see two major advantages. The defense it provides obviously but as well as a substitute heart so if a fatal wound is afflicted to Kakuzu he can quickly revive himself and with an ambush tactic as well. He got rid of it after it was destroyed as it was a waste of space.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Also Nah Kakuzu's katon rides on the ground :| That one didn't even touch it.

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"Mastery of his chakra nature" Don't know where you got mastery over the one jutsu? Even the Fuuton DB States that with mastery of the fuuton nature Kakuzu increases the damage and capabilities of the jutsu.

Re read my point. I said when it comes to "high scale" of the jutsu, it needs to respond according to the description provided. Doesnt change the fact they they both start off by created a tiny fireball the erupts right after.

Wind Release point doesn't disprove anything I said.

Yeah actually I don't recall many offensive earth style's either but Kakuzu's Doton mask doesn't have to leave the body Lol actually I see two major advantages. The defense it provides obviously but as well as a substitute heart so if a fatal wound is afflicted to Kakuzu he can quickly revive himself and with an ambush tactic as well. He got rid of it after it was destroyed as it was a waste of space.

How is that an advantage? If hypothetically its earth mask, which only shown for defense purposes. You are separating your defense from self? That self refuting point of defense.

As an Edo Tensei, you want me to believe that Ghost will use Domu to harden its testicles and fight off SA while leaving Kakuzu vulnerable of getting sealed?

Plus the fact that manga outright stated Kakuzu himself does Doton, when the "Ghost Mask" separated from him

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[Zexion~]

Re read my point. I said when it comes to "high scale" of the jutsu, it needs to respond according to the description provided. Doesnt change the fact they they both start off by created a tiny fireball the erupts right after.

Wind Release point doesn't disprove anything I said.



How is that an advantage? If hypothetically its earth mask, which only shown for defense purposes. You are separating your defense from self? That self refuting point of defense.

As an Edo Tensei, you want me to believe that Ghost will use Domu to harden its testicles and fight off SA while leaving Kakuzu vulnerable of getting sealed?

Plus the fact that manga outright stated Kakuzu himself does Doton, when the "Ghost Mask" separated from him

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This is pointless my man final points


-You can claim that its "unscaled all you want" Its completely different than the jutsu in the DB creating a blast of flames is a different jutsu.

-He took different hearts when he was revived in ET :| One of them could have been a suiton heart but he was trolled so we'll never know

-Domu most likely would have tanked that incomplete FRS and would have basically KO'd Kakashi if he used it to harden his leg when he kicked him.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

-You can claim that its "unscaled all you want" Its completely different than the jutsu in the DB creating a blast of flames is a different jutsu.

Ok dont really care of this point if Im proving wrong or right.

-He took different hearts when he was revived in ET :| One of them could have been a suiton heart but he was trolled so we'll never know

Which supports my point that a mask would most likely have Suiton then Doton.

-Domu most likely would have tanked that incomplete FRS and would have basically KO'd Kakashi if he used it to harden his leg when he kicked him.

How? The 2 hearts that were destroy before that scene were the evidence that either or of those hearts carry Doton and Suiton.

Raiton heart was replace to keep Kakuzu alive during that fight. So no he couldnt have use Domu since it was destroyed then.

 

[Zexion~]

How? The 2 hearts that were destroy before that scene were the evidence that either or of those hearts carry Doton and Suiton.

Raiton heart was replace to keep Kakuzu alive during that fight. So no he couldnt have use Domu since it was destroyed then.

This whole section made no sense.....

But were both just using conjecture as there is no "clear" evidence there is no need to continue this its usually chalked up to a difference of opinion

But with Domu he beats Kimi yeah

 

[Brother Numpsay]

This whole section made no sense.....

But were both just using conjecture as there is no "clear" evidence there is no need to continue this its usually chalked up to a difference of opinion

This section isnt an opinion. These a factual events that happen in the manga. Kakuzu has 5 hearts.

First heart taken down was by Kakashi (featless Mask)
Next heart taken down by Hidan (Heart that keeps Kakuzu alive). Replace with Raiton Mask.
Next 2 hearts was taken down by Naruto.
Final was Kakashi.