Ichibē hyōsube vs Kaguya Ōtsutsuki

[Sennin of Logic]

you do realize ichibe doesn't have to use ink on her, he already has the black on kaguya's clothes , he can manipulate the black in the clothes, animals, and even the hair, in different dimensions and time , even if kaguya escaped to other dimensions , Ichibe can still control anything black , and then use it to seal kaguya's power , like what he did to yhwach ..

And Kaguya controls an entire reality to smash him. Good luck to Ichibe to find any black in the ice dimension. Even if he attempts such a thing, it's not like Kaguya can't just attack him in the process. He manipulates black, it's not like it's teleported to engulf her. There are limits to this ability. Otherwise, Yhwach would not have been able to break out. Let's not apply no limits, otherwise, it's like saying that Saiyan arc Vegeta would loose to Ichibe just because of his hair color(lol). However, it's not specified what the limits are. Ultimately, Kaguya's power and speed is far to overwhelming. It would only take a single 80 gods vaccum palm to kill Ichibe, and that's not taking into account the fact that she got stronger.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Kaguya beats Ichibei. But can she defeat someone like Ywach not a chance in hell.​

 

[Kagustuchi]

Senri Tsutensho can push anything 400km away, it doesn't matter how durable you are, there's no exception, the giant hand itself is as big as kyuubi , yhwach needed to shot himself with an arrow to come back, why you brings ssj vegito into this ? i

ichibē can spam this technique though

I never said anything about durability, I was said strength. Bach doesn't have any strength feats to put him on the level of the Avatar, or even BM Naruto who was able to deflect Bijudama before he even activated the avatar. Naruto easily has the speed and reactions to avoid it as well.

SSJ Vegito is just an exaggerated example to make my point easier to understand. You assume that Senri Tsutensho can push anyone away simply because that's its ability. Its called NLF, no limit fallacy.

And Lol

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is no where near the size of Naruto's avatar.

I don't want to get into speed debates, but as far as I know , crossing 400km in seconds is mach 12,000 ?

You can't prove any sort of time frame. Your simply guessing and giving him the benefit of the doubt.

you actually have no idea what Ichimonji can do , it can use the ink to erase the opponent name , no name = no power , if he managed to erase Naruto's name, by covering him in the black, naruto is ****ed


Ichibe dodged multiple sankt bogen arrows with ease, he blitzed yhwach and sent him flying 100 ri away, then appeared behind him and pushed him again the same distance, bijuu dama is not different

Again, if he could manage. Naruto could constantly barrage him with Energy Projection attacks, especially with Kage Bunshin.

Naruto is still faster and can sense Ichibe while the latter can't sense him (Naruto can detect Chakra and emotions, the latter of which lets him sense Ichibe). All his attacks get avoided, especially via Shunshin.

No. VOTE Hashi/Madz are not even close to mach 120.... :|

There were quite a few calcs in OBD that put them there. I believe most of them were of Madara's PS sword swing and Hashirama reacting to it.

No. Everyone still loses.

As for the bold, I took the time to go back and find these panels just for:

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Gins sword extends and contracts at mach 500. No one in the NV can move or even react to that level of speed. No one is tanking the attack, its destructive force wiped out a city, a city way way bigger than one of the 5 great villages. Gin comfortably solos the NV. Whats funny is that Gin is only a junior captain (so many captains stronger than him) and even base Ichigo could react to this and hes slower in base than many, many other characters so the bleach verse is way, way above the NV bro. They stand no chance. Zero. No contest.



Even if he did lie about specific speed the fact is that its so fast that Ichigo didn't even see it retract. He never took his eyes off the sword, yet he didn't see it. Remember this is the dude who can keep track of people that can shunpo off several KM then come back in like 2 seconds. Still faster than anything in NV and no one is reacting to it.

Them being Mach 500 has absolutely no basis. You literally just pulled that out of nowhere, Gin already discredited that statement completely,

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Naruto can react to an attack that crosses countries in seconds, nothing leads me to believe that bleach characters can reach those speeds. There havn't been any calcs that put them on that level, and the two feats you two have provided have been

A) Discredited by the person that gave the hype, so therefore its invalid.

and

B) Unquantifiable, you cant prove a timeframe of how fast Ichibe crossed that distance. So you just assumed it was seconds, and that's pure opinion and can't be backed up with tangible evidence.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Kaguya beats Ichibei. But can she defeat someone like Ywach not a chance in hell.​

We don't even know how his abilities work, so using a match up with them is pointless, although what he's displayed doesn't even begin to compare to Kaguya in destruction feats.

 

[TRE MERCER]

We don't even know how his abilities work, so using a match up with them is pointless, although what he's displayed doesn't even begin to compare to Kaguya in destruction feats.

As i've said before DC is meaning less in front of Haxxed abilities.​

 

[Omar19992010]

We don't even know how his abilities work, so using a match up with them is pointless, although what he's displayed doesn't even begin to compare to Kaguya in destruction feats.

DC isn't everything in a fight. A Galaxy Buster versus a High Tier Reality warped who do you think would win that fight.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I don't even know what this guy can do, his entire fight bored me. It was essentially him and the Quincy one up'ing each other none stop. I'll say Kaguya, due to dimension level destruction and at the very least the cheap pull away move.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I don't even know what this guy can do, his entire fight bored me. It was essentially him and the Quincy one up'ing each other none stop. I'll say Kaguya, due to dimension level destruction and at the very least the cheap pull away move.

Read bleach chapters 605-609.​

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Ywach abilities are simple.

He has the abilities to use flames that are as hot as the sun. Also anything that he sees loses it's meaning and he can see the future.​

No no, the fat guy with the ink. That's who's fighting Kaguya, right?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

As i've said before DC is meaning less in front of Haxxed abilities.​

It kind of does since Ichigo doesn't have said haxed abilities, and is the DC type, and he must pull through.

DC isn't everything in a fight. A Galaxy Buster versus a High Tier Reality warped who do you think would win that fight.

That entirely depends on what the reality warper's DC is capable of. For instance, you've got Gremmy, a reality warper who can make anything, but there's a limit to the power he can create. He's hardly someone with immense destructive power, and certainly isn't someone I'd place anywhere near Thor(a galaxy buster) in fighting capability. Reality warpers tend to get high DC as well (otherwise, it doesn't matter much). In comics, if you'e a reality warper, you've got a crap ton of power. (Nate Grey, Scarlet Witch, Franklin Richard) Yet, anime doesn't follow these rules. Reality warpers in anime can effect reality, but have absolutely inferior power feats.(making it meaningless)


Edit: Of course, we all know the very simple solution for Kaguya that would enable her to neg Ichibe. It's where a pure white dress.

 

[TRE MERCER]

It kind of does since Ichigo doesn't have said haxed abilities, and is the DC type, and he must pull through.

Ywach just tanked Ichigo's attack without any damage while Ichigo almost blew his own arm off judging by the damages mind you this is the same Ichigo that tanked lighting strikes and and punch from sternritter P. DC means 0 to the Almighty.​

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Ywach just tanked Ichigo's attack without any damage while Ichigo almost blew his own arm off judging by the damages mind you this is the same Ichigo that tanked lighting strikes and and punch from sternritter P. DC means 0 to the Almighty.​

Ywach just tanked Ichigo's attack without any damage while Ichigo almost blew his own arm off judging by the damages mind you this is the same Ichigo that tanked lighting strikes and and punch from sternritter P. DC means 0 to the Almighty.​

You misunderstand my point. Right now, he's loosing. However, we all know that he's going to get some form of power up to defeat him. You can't assume that Ymach is unbeatable, as he will be beaten. His power, like many of his quince subordinates , looks like it's super OP since it's only been introduced now. We have no knowledge of its true mechanics or ins and outs. Just like his minions, his powers will have limits, and methods to overcome him.

 

[TRE MERCER]

You misunderstand my point. Right now, he's loosing. However, we all know that he's going to get some form of power up to defeat him. You can't assume that Ymach is unbeatable, as he will be beaten. His power, like many of his quince subordinates , looks like it's super OP since it's only been introduced now. We have no knowledge of its true mechanics or ins and outs. Just like his minions, his powers will have limits, and methods to overcome him.

Until a limit fallacy is introduced Ywach>Kaguya simple.​

 

[Seventh Sama]

Wasn't kaguya's expansive gudodama been stated to be a planet buster? That would make her far above bleach.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Wasn't kaguya's expansive gudodama been stated to be a planet buster? That would make her far above bleach.

Kaguya has to do far to much to use that and Once Ywach foresee it it's renders useless.​

 

[DMT]

Wasn't kaguya's expansive gudodama been stated to be a planet buster? That would make her far above bleach.

It's black , Ichibē manipulate anything black

 

[Seventh Sama]

It's black , Ichibē manipulate anything black

Kaguya has to do far to much to use that and Once Ywach foresee it it's renders useless.​

Kk but what's stopping her from bfr him?

 

[TRE MERCER]

Kk but what's stopping her from bfr him?

Are you talking about Ichibei or Ywach. If so Mimihagi has showed the abilities to travel through Dimension so Ywach would just travel back to his own dimension since he absorbed Mimihagi's abilities.​

 

[DMT]

Kk but what's stopping her from bfr him?

bfr him with Yomotsu Hirasaka , You mean that right ? well,



- she needs to get close to him in order to use this technique, even then, ichibe can still fight, Ichimonji's ink Range is so great, it can manipulate the black of the animals, objects, shinigami, and quincy in the soul society , even though ichibē is in the Royal Palace, a different dimension :

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- he can even control the black in different Time with Futen Daisatsuryu

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- he can control the black on kaguya and erase her name

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[Sennin of Logic]

Kaguya has to do far to much to use that and Once Ywach foresee it it's renders useless.​

The ability is going to have to be more specific than that. Foreseeing/=/deleting. You can see a nuke heading towards you, but you can't do a thing to stop it from killing you.

bfr him with Yomotsu Hirasaka , You mean that right ? well,



- she needs to get close to him in order to use this technique, even then, ichibe can still fight, Ichimonji's ink Range is so great, it can manipulate the black of the animals, objects, shinigami, and quincy in the soul society , even though ichibē is in the Royal Palace, a different dimension :

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- he can even control the black in different Time with Futen Daisatsuryu

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- he can control the black on kaguya and erase her name

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Then the instant it turns white, he's screwed, and isn't assuming that someone who can create entire realities can't overcome Ichibe's control over her TSB a bit much? Can Ichibe really make "all of creation" nameless? Doubtful at best.