SM Jiraiya vs Itach;iThis will be my final thread before I retire and become inactive

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F*ck it, Jiraiya solos. I was trying to play the devil's advocate by arguing for Itachi but I can't hide my true colors.

I was about to say, aren't you the biggest Jman fan on this section? It's either you or Psycho Maid. Even though both of you seem unbiased, this is too close of a matchup to be unbiased.
 

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That means you have to answer a question each time you want to make a post. Yes Princess Kaaantchan.

Well clearly I'm not him either. What did he do to get it? I guess that is a permanent tag since he's had it for a long time now.
 

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Itachi mid high.
No idea who you are but I'm honestly glad you were trolling, because if you were earnest about all of that I would be really upset. Lol
 

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OT: In my unpopular opinion, Jiraiya could win high-diff. Whether he starts in base or not.

...Obviously I was talking about people who are currently active here. People sure do love to nitpick
 

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AGoodBoy? I was checking some old threads the other day, and he seemed to defend most of those characters.

OT: Yomi Numa GG.
 

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Itachi mid high.
No idea who you are but I'm honestly glad you were trolling, because if you were earnest about all of that I would be really upset. Lol
 

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Well since nobody is taking this thread seriously, I'll put up an argument for Jiraiya.

Amaterasu

DB4 confirms Jiraiya has frog kata so that would mean he has Sage sensing as well. Even if he doesn't, Ma and Pa are sensors ( ). When he , Jiraiya knows Amaterasu is coming. Then he shunshins out of Itachi's line of sight

Method 2: When Jiraiya senses Amaterasu, he covers himself with and shoots off the burned parts of his hair with .

Method 3: When Ma senses Amaterasu, she spits out her to block Itachi's line of sight, therefore he won't know Jiraiya's location or where to aim Amaterasu.

Method 4: When Jiraya senses Amaterasu, he makes a kage bunshin right in front of him so that Amaterasu hits the clone instead of himself. Or he makes several clones and Itachi won't know which to nail with Amaterasu.

Tsukuyomi

Ordinary genjutsu is not a problem since Ma or Pa the instant he gets put under one. They would so they'd know Jiraiya was under genjutsu the instant he was caught.

Tsukuyomi's the only genjutsu that Jiraiya can't afford to get caught in, but I don't think Jiraiya's getting caught in that either. With sensing abilities like his, he can fight while avoiding eye contact. He either battles while looking at Itachi's body and feet, or he blocks Itachi's line of sight to prevent eye contact, or he continuously provides distractions so Itachi is looking somewhere else when Jiraiya looks into Itachi's eyes (direct eye-to-eye contact is needed for Tsukuyomi to be executed).

Looking at his body and feet: this isn't as hard of a method as it might sound since multiple people have combated a sharingan user this way . SM Jiraiya, who has five ways of sensing Itachi (SM sensing, Ma's SM sensing, Pa's SM sensing, Jiraiya's sensing barrier, and Shima's tongue) can compensate for a limited field of vision by fighting using his senses.

Breaking Itachi's line of sight: This is achieved through the use of smoke bombs ( ) or Shima's dust cloud. Either one breaks any possibility of eye contact between them.

Providing distractions: Jiraiya achieves this through the use of shadow clones or . If he has multiple clones on the field, Itachi can only look at one clone at a time. If Itachi makes eye contact and , the real Jiraiya or other clones can attack. Not to mention, it's unlikely that Itachi will attempt genjutsu with multiple clones on the battlefield, much less would he try attempting Tsukuyomi. The issue of Jiraiya's clones not having Ma and Pa on their shoulders (so Itachi would know the real Jiraiya) is solved by having those clones use a simple .

Itachi's Clones

Clone feints aren't helping Itachi here against three sensors. Fukusaku and Shima can deal with clones if they try to attack, and Jiraiya can simply mow down clones with rapid fire needles Kebari senbon.

Itachi's Katon

Is not a factor because Jiraiya's on a different league with katon. His senjutsu enhanced Katon: Endan ( ) can easily be used to counter Itachi's katon attacks, not to mention Shima also has katon ( ), and Jiraiya unlike Itachi has feats of his as well. Jiraiya or Gamabunta can also spit oil from their mouths to increase the flames' firepower, and Pa can enhance them with fuuton. Goemon or Toad Oil Flame Bullet far surpasses any of Itachi's katon attacks.

Susanoo

Susanoo is the real problem since it acts as both a strong defense for Itachi as well as a powerful offense. But Jiraiya has ways to deal with it as well. Jiraiya's strongest attack is his which contains enough force to obliterate a ribcage Susanoo and do significant damage to a Skeletal Susanoo. Due to Jiraiya's arsenal of attacks, Itachi will be forced to maintain Susanoo for most of the battle.

-Attacking with Kebari Senbon means Itachi has to use a ribcage
-Attacking with Goemon means Itachi has to use a ribcage or V2
-Attacking with Food Cart Destroyer means Itachi has to use V2 or V3
-Attacking with Chou Oodama Rasengan means Itachi has to use V2 at the very least, and V3 if he wants complete protection

Through the use of shadow clones or toads, Jiraiya can consistently attack and force Itachi to maintain Susanoo. Maintaining Susanoo has a lot of downsides for Itachi as well:

-He can't use Tsukuyomi while using any Susanoo
-He can't use Amaterasu while maintaining any Susanoo
-Using Susanoo drains Itachi of chakra and takes a toll on his stamina

So how exactly does Jiraiya avoid Susanoo's attacks? The answer is to stay out of range. Never in the manga has anyone used shunshin while maintaing Susanoo (correct me if I'm wrong on this.) That means that as long as Itachi has Susanoo activated, Jiraiya is significantly faster. If Itachi , he is left such as Goemon, Rasengan, Kebari Senbon, other katons, and Ma/Pa's tongues which can him, him, or .

Winning the Battle

Jiraiya has three ways he can win this battle:

1) . Simple enough, as we've already seen Mugen Onsa forced Itachi to which leaves him vulnerable to Jiraiya . This genjutsu does require some prep time from Ma and Pa, but Jiraiya can still defend himself against Itachi and counter his attacks through the ways that I described above.

2) followed by . Ma and Pa use Frog Call while Jiraiya simultaneously uses Yomi Numa which turns the ground below Itachi into a swamp. Because Itachi's paralyzed, he can't evade the swamp, nor can he weave hand seals to use katon in order to dry up the swamp below him. Amaterasu won't work either since if he ignites the swamp under him with black flames, he'll burn himself as well, nor can he turn his head to cast Amaterasu on the swamp below him. Itachi would sink into the swamp and drown - a process Jiraiya can accelerate by using to push Itachi's Susanoo into the ground. If Itachi doesn't use Susanoo, Jiraiya kills him from a distance while he's paralyzed.

3) Outlast. A stamina beast like Jiraiya can easily outlast Itachi who has mediocre chakra reserves and poor stamina. Because Jiraiya has so many attacks and can just pure ninjutsu spam, Itachi's forced to maintain Susanoo for most of the battle to protect himself from Jiraiya's onslaught. Forming and dispelling Susanoo wastes a lot of chakra and causes him to feel intense physical pain ( ). If Itachi uses shadow clones, they only divide his chakra in half, and using MS techniques puts a strain on his body. If Jiraiya just chooses to take it slow, Itachi eventually runs out of chakra and dies, or removes Susanoo and is killed.
 

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You joined and retired in the same month? Interesting.
 
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