[Debate] Capital Punishment

Should Capital Punishment be supported any legal system?

  • Yes, Capital Punishment should be legal.

    Votes: 10 52.6%
  • No, Capital Punishment should not be legal.

    Votes: 7 36.8%
  • Yes, if it is an extreme case. (Genocide for instance.)

    Votes: 2 10.5%

  • Total voters
    19
  • Poll closed .

NaNaNaaaaa

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Veteran
Joined
Jun 18, 2014
Messages
2,096
Reaction score
280
The trouble is, most murderers don't stay in prison their whole life, they let them out. Child killers, rapists, pedo's, pervs who kill, all of them should be strung up in my opinion.

People should worry more for the victims, they get ignored while they fawn over evil people, how does that make sense

And they should hang them, its cheaper on the electricity bill and you can reuse the rope =D
 
Joined
Jan 4, 2015
Messages
99
Reaction score
7
The trouble is, most murderers don't stay in prison their whole life, they let them out. Child killers, rapists, pedo's, pervs who kill, all of them should be strung up in my opinion.

People should worry more for the victims, they get ignored while they fawn over evil people, how does that make sense

And they should hang them, its cheaper on the electricity bill and you can reuse the rope =D

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind - Mahatma Ghandi
 

Hattake Ryuzaki

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Regular
Joined
Feb 18, 2012
Messages
1,720
Reaction score
156
Should the death penalty be supported by the American government? (Or any government for that matter.)
From what I understand, the pros are: [Condemned murderer's would no longer pose no threat to society.
And the cons are: [Innocents may and have been put to death due to human error. Innocent families and friends must mourn the death of the condemned. It costs more to kill the accused, than to just keep him in prison for the rest of his/her life. It teaches the condemned nothing. It is strange that a nation would denounce the practice of murder by committing the very same act. There is no form of humane killing.]


I know there are tons more cons, but I am personally against the death penalty so naturally I know more cons...

Please note: Do not bring religion into this debate, it is pointless and will turn the argument into one of faith, not one of morality.
There is a difference, I promise.

I Disagree, Serial killers, people who torture others and child rapist deserve Death not life. I think its more humane to kill these people than let them live in prison. I would happily give them a death by firing squad if I could.
 

Hattake Ryuzaki

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Regular
Joined
Feb 18, 2012
Messages
1,720
Reaction score
156
I don't believe killing is justified with more killing. That said I don't believe all people can be allowed to freely participate in society. It's a right that can be lost.

This coming from the person with a Revy 2 hands avatar, IRONY!
 

Eradica

Banned
Joined
Mar 5, 2015
Messages
36
Reaction score
3
execute them right off the bat, waste no money, etc
 

Callypigia

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Jun 11, 2014
Messages
2,945
Reaction score
403
This coming from the person with a Revy 2 hands avatar, IRONY!

:)
Don't get me wrong, I love Black Lagoon, but I picked the picture more for Revy's "apathetic while smoking a cigarette" pose. It captures my personality pretty well.
 

Babadook

Banned
Joined
Feb 14, 2015
Messages
317
Reaction score
76
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind - Mahatma Ghandi

How so? There were already times in history when that principle was applied daily, yet not everyone went blind.

Don't rely on authoritative arguments.
 

NaNaNaaaaa

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Veteran
Joined
Jun 18, 2014
Messages
2,096
Reaction score
280
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind - Mahatma Ghandi

And giving a guy who rapes a three year old a second chance is justice?

Ghandi meant that in the sense of revenge, not justice, there is a difference in people killing each other and someone who has been found guilty of a crime. We wouldn't be killing people, we would be putting down monsters, these people forfeit their humanity, its not a war or a dispute.
 

Hattake Ryuzaki

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Regular
Joined
Feb 18, 2012
Messages
1,720
Reaction score
156
And giving a guy who rapes a three year old a second chance is justice?

Ghandi meant that in the sense of revenge, not justice, there is a difference in people killing each other and someone who has been found guilty of a crime. We wouldn't be killing people, we would be putting down monsters, these people forfeit their humanity, its not a war or a dispute.

"putting down monsters" I could not have said it better.
 

Wolves

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Apr 11, 2013
Messages
2,505
Reaction score
349
No they should be teased by the woman of their dreams for years and watch while she gets f*cked... some day the balls will explode and after that, he gets t-bagged by a fatty who didnt wash his ass for 2 years because he was leveling up on WoW and wears diapers.
 

Ldude

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Jan 8, 2012
Messages
6,648
Reaction score
794
im in support, we should kill our death row inmates faster


It costs more to kill the accused, than to just keep him in prison for the rest of his/her life. how?

I actually read a book of essays depicting both sides of this argument recently. It's true that sentencing inmates to death costs more overall. Each individual case costs millions of dollars because the inmate will normally go through years of appeals and care for a death row inmate + the cost of execution just adds up to more than keeping them in prison for the rest of their lives. Also, take into account that the life expectancy for an inmate is decreased because of internal violence, high suicide rates, and poor environment. If you want the detailed statistics, you can probably find them online. I know the US gov releases statistic pdfs on their site for crime-related issues all the time.

A reason some people are in favor of capital punishment in spite of its high cost is that studies have shown capital punishment discourages violent crime. Studies disagree on this, but the majority have consistently shown that one capital punishment case can indirectly save up to 18 lives. And those moral politicians are always in favor of that. Lol

Other people say they want revenge on the criminals. Personally, I find this petty. Try to make more rational decisions. Many families of victims who have seen the murderer electrocuted or otherwise killed were left unsatisfied. But either way, capital punishment should not be about appeasing the victim's family. We need to make decisions based on what is truly best for our country.

Some people have used evidence to argue that capital punishment, in its violent nature, encourages a culture of retribution and violence among civilians who otherwise would not have turned to violence. They reject the idea that killing murderers who would serve life saves other lives. I don't think killing prisoners is immoral or injust, I just don't find it beneficial. I'd rather our government not waste the money.

Some people will argue that life in prison is worse than capital punishment. I would agree, but if an inmate really hates it that much, then the inmate can just hang up. Lol The ole Ricky Kasso way. Funny thing is, the only witness in his case was unfit for trial so his accused accomplice was set free, and he would have been free too if he hadn't hung himself in his cell two days after being arrested. But I digress. Inmates can decide what to do from there. I don't care. Their lives.

And giving a guy who rapes a three year old a second chance is justice?

Ghandi meant that in the sense of revenge, not justice, there is a difference in people killing each other and someone who has been found guilty of a crime. We wouldn't be killing people, we would be putting down monsters, these people forfeit their humanity, its not a war or a dispute.

I'm not even really sure that the legal enforcement system is even about "justice." It's more about following the rules despite injustice and keeping the undesirables out of normal society. I don't think it's reasonable to say that criminals have forfeited their humanity. They're just as human as anyone else here. You just don't want them free to do harm.

And the whole idea of killing criminals for revenge is flawed. Can the average civilian, or even the government, who had no relation to the crime or the victim, claim the right of revenge? Can I want revenge for something that was not done to me? Does human sympathy give me that right?

Also, the cliched "I'm not killing a person, I'm killing a monster" has been used so many times to justify crime. People are people are people. (I'm not saying it's immoral to kill people, but I'm saying this justification is insufficient.)
 
Last edited:

Rezolution

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Mar 11, 2013
Messages
5,655
Reaction score
61
nah it will be too easy for them so just let them live and punish in prison.
 
Joined
Jan 4, 2015
Messages
99
Reaction score
7
And giving a guy who rapes a three year old a second chance is justice?

Ghandi meant that in the sense of revenge, not justice, there is a difference in people killing each other and someone who has been found guilty of a crime. We wouldn't be killing people, we would be putting down monsters, these people forfeit their humanity, its not a war or a dispute.

I study psychology . Everyone's actions have reasons behind them ( not saying its right ). But no one is a monster . If you grew up getting beaten, raped, abused ( emotionally and mentally ) you shouldn't get put down for committing a crime that youre upbringing played a huge role in . Call me naive but everyone deserves a second chance . You don't know they're their circumstance or life so don't go parading around ," we would be putting down monsters" because they committed a heinous crime that you dont know any circumstances .

And is death really justice . What justice for you might not be justice for someone else , his family for example . Justice is a universal word . In my opinion that quote was due . Killing him to an extent is revenge depending on what you believe to be justice .
 

YowYan

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Dec 9, 2010
Messages
15,124
Reaction score
1,838
I study psychology . Everyone's actions have reasons behind them ( not saying its right ). But no one is a monster . If you grew up getting beaten, raped, abused ( emotionally and mentally ) you shouldn't get put down for committing a crime that youre upbringing played a huge role in . Call me naive but everyone deserves a second chance . You don't know they're their circumstance or life so don't go parading around ," we would be putting down monsters" because they committed a heinous crime that you dont know any circumstances .

And is death really justice . What justice for you might not be justice for someone else , his family for example . Justice is a universal word . In my opinion that quote was due . Killing him to an extent is revenge depending on what you believe to be justice .

A bee is programmed to aid the ecological system. A locust is programmed to destroy all crops. Humans, however, have the ability to choose between the above mentioned. To be contributor or a gluttony savage.(odd example i know) Some people turn into savages and would ruin a life of another for their own pleasure. Such savages cannot be saved. They should be eliminated.
 
Joined
Jan 4, 2015
Messages
99
Reaction score
7
A bee is programmed to aid the ecological system. A locust is programmed to destroy all crops. Humans, however, have the ability to choose between the above mentioned. To be contributor or a gluttony savage.(odd example i know) Some people turn into savages and would ruin a life of another for their own pleasure. Such savages cannot be saved. They should be eliminated.

Bees , coincidentally, are much more complex that, as well as locust, they aren't obviously programmed to destroy crops they are trying to survive . And really comparing animals to humans ? But that's besides the point . Sounds like you have the mentality of an assassin . Like i said no one ruins the life of someone else for pleasure whether you OR they believe so . I've studied countless theories of crime, motives, situational factors, subjective feelings ( which are all major factors in a killing/rape or other heinous crime ) . I could pull up percentages of crimes where there was literally 0% other motive other than doing it for pleasure, trust me its low but im on mobile .

Besides that begs the question , all we have is their word and the evidence so how would we know if they are just savages ? I mean anyone mentally scarred isn't in a condition to testify whether or not they're psycho or did it just cause .

So many things to take into account , besides is "elimination" really every the answer ? A murder/rape doesn't justify more murder for so called "justice" .
 

YowYan

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Dec 9, 2010
Messages
15,124
Reaction score
1,838
Bees , coincidentally, are much more complex that, as well as locust, they aren't obviously programmed to destroy crops they are trying to survive . And really comparing animals to humans ? But that's besides the point . Sounds like you have the mentality of an assassin . Like i said no one ruins the life of someone else for pleasure whether you OR they believe so . I've studied countless theories of crime, motives, situational factors, subjective feelings ( which are all major factors in a killing/rape or other heinous crime ) . I could pull up percentages of crimes where there was literally 0% other motive other than doing it for pleasure, trust me its low but im on mobile .

Besides that begs the question , all we have is their word and the evidence so how would we know if they are just savages ? I mean anyone mentally scarred isn't in a condition to testify whether or not they're psycho or did it just cause .

So many things to take into account , besides is "elimination" really every the answer ? A murder/rape doesn't justify more murder for so called "justice" .

On second thought..it was a fail example.

Anywho, putting rapists in prison is a waste of money. We taxpayers carry that on our shoulders, financially. Any crime motivated by financial issues is not a reason to put inmates down because those people have been unfortunate living in a capitalistic society. But sexual offenders and murderers? Waste of money and effort as those indivuals are beyond help. This swimming teacher who sodomized approximately 200 toddlers in his carreer has been put in a luxurious jail for two years and was then released and placed in a appartment complex above a child day care. Citizens united and threatened to take matters in their own hands. The govt didn't care. The authorities, or the justice system in general couldn't give two shits about the citizens. That justice system is in place as to keep us satisfied so we pay our taxes. But as you said, there are many things to take into consideration. My analysis was a direct, simplified response to a more complex issue.
 

PlatinumTitan

Leaf Village Regular 🍃
Regular
Joined
Jul 14, 2014
Messages
738
Reaction score
62
The United States has no balance over its crime punishments. Just look at the crime rates in U.S. and compare them to Capital Punishment countries, like KSA; you could easily see KSA has punishments that society don't have to fear of being murdered, raped or robbed.

Capital Punishment should be applied for murder and rape.

The U.S. Hasn't outlawed capital punishment.
 

PlatinumTitan

Leaf Village Regular 🍃
Regular
Joined
Jul 14, 2014
Messages
738
Reaction score
62
On second thought..it was a fail example.

Anywho, putting rapists in prison is a waste of money. We taxpayers carry that on our shoulders, financially. Any crime motivated by financial issues is not a reason to put inmates down because those people have been unfortunate living in a capitalistic society. But sexual offenders and murderers? Waste of money and effort as those indivuals are beyond help. This swimming teacher who sodomized approximately 200 toddlers in his carreer has been put in a luxurious jail for two years and was then released and placed in a appartment complex above a child day care. Citizens united and threatened to take matters in their own hands. The govt didn't care. The authorities, or the justice system in general couldn't give two shits about the citizens. That justice system is in place as to keep us satisfied so we pay our taxes. But as you said, there are many things to take into consideration. My analysis was a direct, simplified response to a more complex issue.

A lethal injection, in fact, costs more than keeping a prisoner alive in jail for the rest of their lives.
 
Top