A speculation

[The Necromancer]

Funny enough that makes sense too. It would have been more clear to have known the purpose the Bijuu served other than their chakra considering that the Tailed Beasts were once the Juubi, and the Rinnegan is the eye of the Juubi. I would assume that's why they carry a part in the cancelling of the IT. It would have made more sense (at least for me) if Senjutsu played a big part, in which it is sent outwards with the Bijuu chakra and Rinnegan. Though now that I am typing it out it sounds weird. What do you think?

It kinda makes sense.

What we do know, is that "IT" was possible without being a global jutsu, as Kaguya used it on select individuals, without the use of the moon to reflect off of, meaning it was likely used on single targets the same way standard Genjutsu is.

And Obito stated this, confirming this, and likely confirming my theory.

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"Using its power, I will magnify the power of my eyes to the ultimate level..."

We even saw Madara use a singular version of IT on Obito with only the empty shell of the Gedo Mazo, without any Bijuu.

 

[BLAZE]

My personal theory is that the Rinnegan is what cancels IT, and the Bijuu chakra is what makes it widespread. After all, it's the Bijuu chakra that gives IT the world-spanning range in the first place.

This makes sense

 

[Michael]

Funny, i created a very similar thread and everyone called me a fanboy.

OT: Exactly my thoughts, +Rep

 

[Narutohokage324]

It kinda makes sense.

What we do know, is that "IT" was possible without being a global jutsu, as Kaguya used it on select individuals, without the use of the moon to reflect off of, meaning it was likely used on single targets the same way standard Genjutsu is.

And Obito stated this, confirming this, and likely confirming my theory.

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"Using its power, I will magnify the power of my eyes to the ultimate level..."

We even saw Madara use a singular version of IT on Obito with only the empty shell of the Gedo Mazo, without any Bijuu.

One question though. If the Genjutsu was powerful enough to be widespread on the world with Bijuu chakra, why exactly did the need the Moon for? Only to reflect the Jutsu back onto the world? Considering it only lasted a few minutes.


TSB Databook if anyone was interested:

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Truthseeker Orbs

Listed as just a Ninjutsu (not Kekkei Mōra), used by Madara, Obito, and Naruto. It says that when an individual manifests (literally "blossoms" 開花) Six Paths Senjutsu, black orbs comprising the power of all five elements and yin-yang appear, forming a circle that floats behind them. They can manipulate each orb independently. Each orb is about the size of a fist and hides within enough power to completely obliterate a forest. With the power of Creation of All Things, put simply, the shape of the black orbs can be freely altered, and the many natures comprising them can be combined to manifest a variety of effects. It is a power that easily exceeds both Kekkei Genkai and Kekkei Tōta.

PS: I need to make a minor (okay, somewhat major) correction on the Truthseeker Orbs thing.

I accidentally translated the phrase shinra bansho as "creation of all things," but it actually means "all of creation" or "everything in the universe." It's not saying that they're using the Ninjutsu "Creation of All Things" to manipulate/control the Truthseeker Orbs, but rather that they're using "the power of the universe".

 

[The Necromancer]

One question though. If the Genjutsu was powerful enough to be widespread on the world with Bijuu chakra, why exactly did the need the Moon for? Only to reflect the Jutsu back onto the world? Considering it only lasted a few minutes.


TSB Databook if anyone was interested:

Spoiler

Truthseeker Orbs

Listed as just a Ninjutsu (not Kekkei Mōra), used by Madara, Obito, and Naruto. It says that when an individual manifests (literally "blossoms" 開花) Six Paths Senjutsu, black orbs comprising the power of all five elements and yin-yang appear, forming a circle that floats behind them. They can manipulate each orb independently. Each orb is about the size of a fist and hides within enough power to completely obliterate a forest. With the power of Creation of All Things, put simply, the shape of the black orbs can be freely altered, and the many natures comprising them can be combined to manifest a variety of effects. It is a power that easily exceeds both Kekkei Genkai and Kekkei Tōta.

PS: I need to make a minor (okay, somewhat major) correction on the Truthseeker Orbs thing.

I accidentally translated the phrase shinra bansho as "creation of all things," but it actually means "all of creation" or "everything in the universe." It's not saying that they're using the Ninjutsu "Creation of All Things" to manipulate/control the Truthseeker Orbs, but rather that they're using "the power of the universe".

Yes. It acts as the "eye" that casts the visual jutsu. Except that it doesn't require eye contact for some reason. (Likely because Kishi realized that being immune by being inside, or closing your eyes would be a huge flaw in the plot of his manga.)

 

[Narutohokage324]

Yes. It acts as the "eye" that casts the visual jutsu. Except that it doesn't require eye contact for some reason.

That's the weird part. Madara literally flew up and cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi by unlocking his third eye and cast the Genjutsu onto it. I also feel as fit the Bijuu play a bigger role that just amplifying the jutsu widespread. If their power was more than strong enough to to help spread the Genjutsu further, would it not make sense for their power to benefit in stopping it as-well (other than just stopping the IT). The Rinnegan being able to shield the user from it, I think Naruto needed a catalyst of some sort as Bijuu chakra alone was not powerful enough.

 

[Nagi]

A speculation on Sasuke's part as well.

If the manga say it, It is true until further notice.

 

[Lord Tywin]

If Sasuke says it, It is speculation until further notice.

fixed

 

[Nagi]

fixed

What happen to that logic of if kishimoto make a character say "X". That "X" is absolute until further notice? Y'all need to stop that shit. Over there giving naruto special treatment.

 

[Lord Tywin]

What happen to that logic of if kishimoto make a character say "X". That "X" is absolute until further notice? Y'all need to stop that shit. Over there giving naruto special treatment.

Lol "X" is absolute? Sakura said she's on par with Naruto and Sasuke. I guess she's absolute.
Kiba said that he's going to become Hokage. I guess he's absolute as well.

 

[Nagi]

Lol "X" is absolute? Sakura said she's on par with Naruto and Sasuke. I guess she's absolute.
Kiba said that he's going to become Hokage. I guess he's absolute as well.

"until further notice" Do you know what that is? I better find a better term for you...."until it's disproved" might be better for you.

So what happen to that logic of if kishimoto make a character say "X". That "X" is absolute until it's disproved? better? XD

 

[Jinx Hex]

Itch's eyes are immune to IT

 

[Lord Tywin]

"until further notice" Do you know what that is? I better find a better term for you...."until it's disproved" might be better for you.

So what happen to that logic of if kishimoto make a character say "X". That "X" is absolute until it's disproved? better? XD

So let me ask you this. If sakura said that she's on par with Naruto and Sasuke, is she "absolute", or do you automatically know she's assuming? There is your answer.

 

[Dantee]

My personal theory is that the Rinnegan is what cancels IT, and the Bijuu chakra is what makes it widespread. After all, it's the Bijuu chakra that gives IT the world-spanning range in the first place.

This bro come on it's pretty obvious giving the nature of narutos ability to is to link other people. Sasuke is the only one who is truly immune to it.

 

[Nagi]

So let me ask you this. If sakura said that she's on par with Naruto and Sasuke, is she "absolute", or do you automatically know she's assuming? There is your answer.

We're talking about Sakura here. When she said that she's on par with Naruto and Sasuke, she was talking about being able to hold her own and not needing their protection. Since she said that, have she been useless?........yes or no? I'll wait........No, she haven't been useless. she was able to pull her own weight here and there.

When sasuke said his sword can cut through anything. It did cut through anything until yata mirror appear. Sasuke's claims was disproven right there.

Sasauke said his rinnegan can cancel out the IT. That was absolute until the sage of the six path said you need naruto or the tailed beasts also to cancel.

Number one rule if the tailed beast have been pull out of uswer, the user will die. That was the absolute law until plot want to save gaara and naruto.


Manga is over..have there been anything that yata mirror couldn't block or totsuka blade couldnt seal? no. Zetsu said them weapons are absolute. his words haven't been disproven yet. soooo you see where i'm going with this?

 

[DHOH]

While we are talking about IT how did BZ/Obito survive it??