Punch = Chakra jutsus (Tbb , Rasenshuriken, Rasengan and etc)?

[KingHashirama]

I wanna know if fellow members think a punch = chakra jutsus in regards to dealing damage.


More precisely a chakra enhanced punch = chakra jutsus. That if someone tanks a TBB , that means they can tank physical hits?


So what is your opinion on this?

 

[Transcendence]

Absolutely not. Different principles of damage. There's a lot more energy expelled in the aforementioned jutsu with a much wider Area of Effect than a simple punch (chakra enhanced or not). At worst, you get broken bones with the punch. The energy expelled from the other jutsu have the potential to eradicate entire portions of the person they're hitting.

 

[Icelerate]

If TBB is a stronger attack, it means it will have more energy behind it so of course if one can tank a TBB, they can tank a punch as well.

 

[Dantee]

They are two different attacks but maybe a chakra fist is more concentrated? No one knows for sure.

 

[Seventh Sama]

ofc. The strongest chakra punch is only multi-city block while a regular bijuudama destroys whole mountains.

 

[KingHashirama]

They are two different attacks but maybe a chakra fist is more concentrated? No one knows for sure.

thats pretty much my belief on the matter.\

Absolutely not. Different principles of damage. There's a lot more energy expelled in the aforementioned jutsu with a much wider Area of Effect than a simple punch (chakra enhanced or not). At worst, you get broken bones with the punch. The energy expelled from the other jutsu have the potential to eradicate entire portions of the person they're hitting.

Hmm, would you say, the AOE > concentrated attack?


Kurama's avater partially tanked a laser from Juubi, and then physically and enhanced avatar got destroyed by Obito.

ofc. The strongest chakra punch is only multi-city block while a regular bijuudama destroys whole mountains.

Difference though is that one is an AOE attacks, that is supposed to deal wide area of damage. While the other one does wide are of damage while being a concentrated attack.

Or in your opinion, an AOE attack would do more damage, than a concentrated attack?

- Raikage tanks TBB + Rasenshuriken

- Raikage yet gets stabbed by his own nukite easily

 

[Transcendence]

thats pretty much my belief on the matter.\



Hmm, would you say, the AOE > concentrated attack?


Kurama's avater partially tanked a laser from Juubi, and then physically and enhanced avatar got destroyed by Obito.


Difference though is that one is an AOE attacks, that is supposed to deal wide area of damage. While the other one does wide are of damage while being a concentrated attack.

Or in your opinion, an AOE attack would do more damage, than a concentrated attack?

Good example, but technically speaking, even that laser dama was a concentrated attack, not a typical Bijuudama. The difference between them, is that Obito was practically ripping the Avatar apart and would be even more concentrated in damaging the Avatar than even a punch would. The laser was like shooting an arrow at someone and have them take some damage in the affected area (the tails being knocked off).

 

[Xlad]

AOE =/= Damage

But you can tank a CEP if you tank in TBB or FRS since they carry far more energy than a CEP.

 

[KingHashirama]

Good example, but technically speaking, even that laser dama was a concentrated attack, not a typical Bijuudama. The difference between them, is that Obito was practically ripping the Avatar apart and would be even more concentrated in damaging the Avatar than even a punch would. The laser was like shooting an arrow at someone and have them take some damage in the affected area (the tails being knocked off).

But the laser contains more energy. While the punch is simply concentrated energy, probably not even close to the Laser's level.

 

[Conspirator.]

If you mean "punches" on the scale of the buddha, or Kaguya's chakra fists, then tanking a TBB doesn't mean that you can tank them. However, an ordinary punch from a human is effortlessly tanked by those who can tank a TBB, since the damage output of a TBB per unit area is far greater.

 

[KingHashirama]

If you mean "punches" on the scale of the buddha, or Kaguya's chakra fists, then tanking a TBB doesn't mean that you can tank them. However, an ordinary punch from a human is effortlessly tanked by those who can tank a TBB, since the damage output of a TBB per unit area is far greater.

No chakra enhanced punches. Tsunade's chakra enhanced punch vs normal rasengan or rasenshuriken (Not sure if Rasenshuriken can break Susanoo.. if it can i must've missed it).

Eh Buddha's punch i would assume naturall contains more force than a TBB, simply due to the factor of it being the size of the tailed beast and coming down so fast.

Or lets say Gai's kicks.

 

[Seventh Sama]

thats pretty much my belief on the matter.\



Hmm, would you say, the AOE > concentrated attack?


Kurama's avater partially tanked a laser from Juubi, and then physically and enhanced avatar got destroyed by Obito.


Difference though is that one is an AOE attacks, that is supposed to deal wide area of damage. While the other one does wide are of damage while being a concentrated attack.

Or in your opinion, an AOE attack would do more damage, than a concentrated attack?

- Raikage tanks TBB + Rasenshuriken

- Raikage yet gets stabbed by his own nukite easily

Are you really trying to suggest CES packs a stronger attack than tbb?

 

[KingHashirama]

Are you really trying to suggest CES packs a stronger attack than tbb?

I'm asking questions and seeing what others are thinking, before formulating my concrete opinion.

 

[Icelerate]

It also depends on what the attack is up against. For example a flexible body structure like Suigetsu's water body or Luffy rubber body can take a large amount of physical attacks due to their energy bouncing off or phasing through their body without actually exerting any destructive energy. For this reason, even energy efficiency is important because an attack's efficiency means that more energy gets converted to destructive energy rather than waste forms like sound, heat, etc.

 

[Conspirator.]

No chakra enhanced punches. Tsunade's chakra enhanced punch vs normal rasengan or rasenshuriken (Not sure if Rasenshuriken can break Susanoo.. if it can i must've missed it).

Eh Buddha's punch i would assume naturall contains more force than a TBB, simply due to the factor of it being the size of the tailed beast and coming down so fast.

Or lets say Gai's kicks.

You seem to looking at this from an AOE perspective. So, I'll pose you this question:How do you rate a punch in comparison to something like a one fingered nukite, or even a PS slash?(the latter technically isn't a chakra attack but that's redundant) What I'm trying to say is that AOE doesn't determine an attacks strength, as the chidori stalemates the Rasengan. What matters IMO is the damage per unit area. People think that the punches from them are simply weaker than FRS per unit area(by feats), hence it can't destroy a high level Susanoo for example.

FRS destroyed wood dragon easily. It can definitely destroy Susanoo up to a certain point. The Buddha's punches in sum have more power than a standard TBB obviously, as do Gai's kicks in the 8th gate.

 

[KingHashirama]

You seem to looking at this from an AOE perspective. So, I'll pose you this question:How do you rate a punch in comparison to something like a one fingered nukite, or even a PS slash?(the latter technically isn't a chakra attack but that's redundant) What I'm trying to say is that AOE doesn't determine an attacks strength, as the chidori stalemates the Rasengan. What matters IMO is the damage per unit area. People think that the punches from them are simply weaker than FRS per unit area(by feats), hence it can't destroy a high level Susanoo for example.

FRS destroyed wood dragon easily. It can definitely destroy Susanoo up to a certain point. The Buddha's punches in sum have more power than a standard TBB obviously, as do Gai's kicks in the 8th gate.

Hmm i don't think Wood dragon would have that durability, seeing just forming up the tbb destroyed it.