[Debate] New biotech discovery will make design babies and genetically edited humans possible

[Zlatán]

I still think it's wrong, no matter what the benefits are, eventually everyone would be the same and nobody would be unique

 

[BazzBee]

I agree, but that would also have the question of choosing a boy or a girl, physical appearances etc, there would be instability in the *** ratios as well as other biases. the 'ideal' child would be no more than a replica of few other million children. No one will be 'special' in their own way, naturality is lost

Though its cool to eliminate diseases though :3

You don't have to look good to be special. Personality makes a human being special.

 

[Akаsh]

You don't have to look good to be special. Personality makes a human being special.

exactly what i meant by that quote.. O__O

I still think it's wrong, no matter what the benefits are, eventually everyone would be the same and nobody would be unique

Yess yess yess
Thats what i said too _@:

 

[Forest]

Eugenics under the guise of scientific breakthrough seems good, but I've heard that can go wrong. I read something about that in history. The best and most natural way is to pick a partner with desirable genetic traits. It's like recording music: it's better to get a good recording from the start instead of having to complicate the process with too much post-production.

But not everyone picks their partners like that, and can we really tell them what to do with something so intimate as procreation?

I don't like the word "ethics", it's full of shit.

I do think they're wasting resources and time, there are so many problems in the world and they're discovering more and more useless things than useful ones. This won't make the world better. It's interesting but we don't need it.

I agree that we don't really need it, but I don't think we can fully rule out that it won't make the world better. We don't know that yet. But we also don't know if it would make the world worse. You are right though, if we want to be philanthropic, there are other places to start that can be argued as more practical, but considering how fast information and technology are increasing in complexity, this is something that will be here soon and is kinda inevitable. So that being said, it's good to discuss ahead of time that way awareness of what's coming can be used to find some sort of a consensus.

But yeah, trying to establish ethics will always result in some sort of contradiction. It's up to the perspective and can be either or, (Cause in reality everything is neutral, existence will go on regardless of what we do with our genes) and will depend on whose hands it gets into. If I were to say it's unethical in it's totality, that would be based in the possibility of the negative outcomes and uses for it. But at the same time, saying it's all around unethical, would sort of imply that I don't want to help prevent children from being born with disease through efficient technology, that can be argued as being unethical too (a contradiction.) On the other hand, if I were to say that it was all around ethical for it's possible philanthropic uses, that would mean that I would be okay with the negative outcomes, so long as the positives were there as well. So can you really firmly have an opinion on it, in it's totality without having a flaw? For the sake of peace of mind it would be best for humanity to agree on standards and terms for it's uses, but as we can see, when it comes to science and technology of this proportion, that's not something easily done, with different nations and belief systems already vehemently disagreeing on things like Nuclear energy etc etc.

Over-all, I think it's an interesting possibility, but something that should be treated as extremely delicate. Cause we can never truly predict the outcomes of directly manipulating the environment in any way, and whether we believe so or not, we are part of a genetic environment, and while there may be some shiny aspects to these possibilities, there will be repercussions for whatever we choose to do with it, directly or indirectly.

 

[Akаsh]

I don't like the word "ethics", it's full of shit.

I do think they're wasting resources and time, there are so many problems in the world and they're discovering more and more useless things than useful ones. This won't make the world better. It's interesting but we don't need it.

Eradication of diseases is a necessity though u-u
so it IS useful.. somewhat

It seems Gattaca is coming closer in becoming a reality.

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Lmao

What if this tech just gives rise to a zombie apocalypse or something.Maybe the new genetically altered humans think they are better than us the originals and this ultimately leads to a war almost like ww2 but they can back up their claims of being a super race.correct me if I am wrong cause I don't know that much about ww2

omg that would be interesting..
humans put in cages XD

 

[Zaphkiel]

I did a research paper on this last year, I think moral should be disregarded in this case because too many times we see parents in hospitals only to hear their newborn had a rare and degenerate disease and died. Too many times we see mentally and physically retarded children out there. Do you think they wanted it like that? Do you think if they had to chance to change it they wouldn't? Its all about putting the best you out there, it may seem unethical to some but think of those who suffer from these defects of the 'randomness of nature'. And don't you dare say "That's just life" because if you were handicapped to the point where you couldn't even keep your mouth closed and drooling liters of saliva everyday you would want a change.

I'm just saying, this helps to eliminate degenerate offspring, we are trying to advance ourselves as humans right? Then embrace the change. It's way better than aborting a child if you asked me, I'd rather try and fix the problem than run away from it. And whats the big deal anyway? So what if the baby gets to be super handsome and has the physical prime of the greatest athlete? That would only mean better humans in the long run, and not to mention smarter babies. A council of Einsteins would be enough to help solve a majority of the world's major crisis such as oil, alternate energy, even evolution. The possibilities are endless, and at our finger tips, instead of waiting say 100 years for a genius of the same caliber to be born.

 

[Songbird Supreme]

And thus begins the era of super soldiers


OT: Yeah I think it should be allowed to a degree.

 

[Adam Driver]

God creates man
Man kills God
Man creates mistakes
Mistakes kill man

I think we should let nature be, that is something that can never be controlled but man is arrogant.

 

[Red Flag X Drake]

All for ut but the numbers are too shaky right now

 

[Multiply]

God creates man
Man kills God
Man creates mistakes
Mistakes kill man

I think we should let nature be, that is something that can never be controlled but man is arrogant.

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I'm sorry what? Lol

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

New Type project huh ?

 

[Adam Driver]

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I'm sorry what? Lol

As in our race is playing God,
I think we should let nature/science be left alone and play its own part in life. Our race should put its focus first on poverty and third world countries, along with racial equality. Our arrogance had proved through time that we are not perfect and we will never be perfect. Whether you believe in a God or not is totally up to you, no need be condescending though, thanks.

 

[Akаsh]

I did a research paper on this last year, I think moral should be disregarded in this case because too many times we see parents in hospitals only to hear their newborn had a rare and degenerate disease and died. Too many times we see mentally and physically retarded children out there. Do you think they wanted it like that? Do you think if they had to chance to change it they wouldn't? Its all about putting the best you out there, it may seem unethical to some but think of those who suffer from these defects of the 'randomness of nature'. And don't you dare say "That's just life" because if you were handicapped to the point where you couldn't even keep your mouth closed and drooling liters of saliva everyday you would want a change.

I'm just saying, this helps to eliminate degenerate offspring, we are trying to advance ourselves as humans right? Then embrace the change. It's way better than aborting a child if you asked me, I'd rather try and fix the problem than run away from it. And whats the big deal anyway? So what if the baby gets to be super handsome and has the physical prime of the greatest athlete? That would only mean better humans in the long run, and not to mention smarter babies. A council of Einsteins would be enough to help solve a majority of the world's major crisis such as oil, alternate energy, even evolution. The possibilities are endless, and at our finger tips, instead of waiting say 100 years for a genius of the same caliber to be born.

This is a really good convincer.. Lol
but in the end, as the article points out, "its the society's choice"