I can't think of any type of outcome that will help Israel form this whole religion bloodbath situation other then this one.
If Israel and that Palestine separate and built a country on there own ground they control. ( The States) Basically instead of 2 States why not 2 country's? ( I mean they don't even get along to begin whit) So when Palestine want to attack Israel, Israel can attack whit some what full force as if it was a Country there were being attack by, whit out committing any type of human or war crime.
(I'm just learning about the Middle east crisis so ya)
Middle eastern countries have been at war with eachother way before biblical times and its going to always be like that till the end of time. Sad but true.
Middle eastern countries have been at war with eachother way before biblical times and its going to always be like that till the end of time. Sad but true.
Why should they leave and not the Jews? Driving people from their homes is not a solution because it creates hatred. The zionists have continued to steal land and massacre an innumerable number of Palestinians.
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As you can see from 1948-2005. The zionist government has continued to devour Palestinian land illegally. Those who resist are mercilessly killed. The world watches because no one can do anything, Zionists reign supreme and control everything. How can you contend with them?
What needs to be done is to split the country. Giving each side a fair amount of land relative to their population.
The zionists however, don't want this because of their war mongering ways. I feel sorry for the innocent Jews and Arabs that are caught up in this conflict.
This is one of the most uninformed posts I've ever read. You know Israel is already a country, and the way "state" is used in this context would be equivalent to "country"? Also, the conflict is not strictly between Arabs and Israelis. Israel is 20% Arab. There are many different groups there: Druz, other Arabs, atheists, Christians. Although Israel is a Jewish state, it will never be 100% Jewish, nor should it be.
The conflict you mean to discuss involving the 2-state solution is between Israel and Palestinians. The problem with moving all the Palestinians to Jordan because it's a Muslim country is that Palestinians identify as ethnically and nationally different from surrounding Muslim countries. There are really two regions with focused conflict: the West Bank and Gaza. Another problem is that the Palestinians living in these areas have ambiguous leaders deciding what they want for them. There are also terrorist groups like Hamas indoctrinating the children and other civilians. They don't want to "just leave." It isn't that simple. They feel they have a claim to that land.
Why should they leave and not the Jews? Driving people from their homes is not a solution because it creates hatred. The zionists have continued to steal land and massacre an innumerable number of Palestinians.
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As you can see from 1948-2005. The zionist government has continued to devour Palestinian land illegally. Those who resist are mercilessly killed. The world watches because no one can do anything, Zionists reign supreme and control everything. How can you contend with them?
What needs to be done is to split the country. Giving each side a fair amount of land relative to their population.
The zionists however, don't want this because of their war mongering ways. I feel sorry for the innocent Jews and Arabs that are caught up in this conflict.
These maps aren't really helping your case. Palestine was never a legitimate country. (Forget the fact that much of the "Palestinian terrority" in the first image was uninhabited by either group. Around that time, the British controlled the territory that is now Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza. The British promised the land there to both the Jews and the Palestinians. Also, notice how in the second map it says "plan." That land never belonged to Palestinians. There were some Palestinians living in the region, but there were also Jews living there. This map inaccurately depicts the population density and land claim. It was land that had been promised to two different groups because the British never really intended to keep their promises to both peoples.
And do you know why the map changed in 1967? Palestinian guerrilla groups launched a war against Israel and lost.
Why should they leave and not the Jews? Driving people from their homes is not a solution because it creates hatred. The zionists have continued to steal land and massacre an innumerable number of Palestinians.
You must be registered for see images
As you can see from 1948-2005. The zionist government has continued to devour Palestinian land illegally. Those who resist are mercilessly killed. The world watches because no one can do anything, Zionists reign supreme and control everything. How can you contend with them?
What needs to be done is to split the country. Giving each side a fair amount of land relative to their population.
The zionists however, don't want this because of their war mongering ways. I feel sorry for the innocent Jews and Arabs that are caught up in this conflict.
Damm, never mind what I stated then. That insane, I don't understand how isreal was able to win ageins Iran, Jorden, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, well as the many battles whit Palestinian by them self.
So let's say that United States lost all its power and Mexico became a dominant country. You're living in your house in Chicago, and someone knocks on your door from the Mexican Law Enforcement (army, police, whatever you want to call them) and they say, "you have five minutes to pick up everything you can and leave this land because this land was given to the Mexicans by God (in the Jewish mind, Moses). You've lived your whole life here. You're an American. So now you have to move to Canada where your roots as an American are gone because you no longer have your country.
A lot of black people chose to stay in America during slavery and segregation times despite being free because they still felt "American".
Why should us as Palestinians leave our country? It's only America, Europe and Australia who don't recognize us for the most part. You can google "countries that recognize Palestine" and find out for yourselves". The only reason Americans think that it's justified about what is going on with our people is because the media here has brainwashed everyone into thinking that if you are a Muslim you're a terrorist and thus, make us look not human.
Also, as of lately, Israel has been getting called out in International Law from other countries for "crimes against humanity" take a look.
These maps aren't really helping your case. Palestine was never a legitimate country. (Forget the fact that much of the "Palestinian terrority" in the first image was uninhabited by either group. Around that time, the British controlled the territory that is now Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza. The British promised the land there to both the Jews and the Palestinians. Also, notice how in the second map it says "plan." That land never belonged to Palestinians. There were some Palestinians living in the region, but there were also Jews living there. This map inaccurately depicts the population density and land claim. It was land that had been promised to two different groups because the British never really intended to keep their promises to both peoples.
And do you know why the map changed in 1967? Palestinian guerrilla groups launched a war against Israel and lost.
It still doesn't change the fact that they are stealing Palestinian land even to this day. Or are you going to say that the territories are still not planned? The west bank as of right now is being devoured by Israel, particularly East Jerusalem.
The UN has banned illegal annexation of land. Yet the Israeli government still continues this practice.
The situation in Israel is disturbingly similar to Nazi expansion. I don't support violence of any kind or terror groups like Hamas, but the Apartheid way of the Israeli government is encouraging the creation of such violent groups.
These maps aren't really helping your case. Palestine was never a legitimate country. (Forget the fact that much of the "Palestinian terrority" in the first image was uninhabited by either group. Around that time, the British controlled the territory that is now Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza. The British promised the land there to both the Jews and the Palestinians. Also, notice how in the second map it says "plan." That land never belonged to Palestinians. There were some Palestinians living in the region, but there were also Jews living there. This map inaccurately depicts the population density and land claim. It was land that had been promised to two different groups because the British never really intended to keep their promises to both peoples.
And do you know why the map changed in 1967? Palestinian guerrilla groups launched a war against Israel and lost.
The whole country belonged to Palestinians, either being controlled by British or that the whole land wasn't inhabited by Palestinians didn't change this fact, if so, then you can consider any country controlled by another country can give any piece to other groups.
Imagine when Germany conquered France, then they promised any other group (either from the same country or from other country) to have piece of the land, can you consider this legal by now after more than 70 years??,it is just the same situation, British conquered Palestine and some other countries in the region, then promised Jews to have part of the country, not only Jews from the region but from the whole world, this group created a country and killed thousands of Palestinians who didn't accept this situation.
The whole country belonged to Palestinians, either being controlled by British or that the whole land wasn't inhabited by Palestinians didn't change this fact, if so, then you can consider any country controlled by another country can give any piece to other groups.
Imagine when Germany conquered France, then they promised any other group (either from the same country or from other country) to have piece of the land, can you consider this legal by now after more than 70 years??,it is just the same situation, British conquered Palestine and some other countries in the region, then promised Jews to have part of the country, not only Jews from the region but from the whole world, this group created a country and killed thousands of Palestinians who didn't accept this situation.
Damm, never mind what I stated then. That insane, I don't understand how isreal was able to win ageins Iran, Jorden, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, well as the many battles whit Palestinian by them self.
Israel never fought Iran, at least not to my knowledge.
They won those battles because they had a better trained and better equipped military than their Arab neighbors. One the main american defense policies regarding the middle east is to ensure that Israel is superior to its neighbors in terms of conventional military equipment, facilities and training, so as to dissuade them from using nuclear weapons as a defense against potential aggression from their neighbors.
In short Israel is equipped with state of the art, modern american military equipment. The iron dome defense of theirs is one such example.
Most likely not in our lifetime. Israel's government is really conservative and uh, the palestinian authorities are a terrorist organization. Those are two forces destined to eat each other alive.
Israel never fought Iran, at least not to my knowledge.
They won those battles because they had a better trained and better equipped military than their Arab neighbors. One the main american defense policies regarding the middle east is to ensure that Israel is superior to its neighbors in terms of conventional military equipment, facilities and training, so as to dissuade them from using nuclear weapons as a defense against potential aggression from their neighbors.
In short Israel is equipped with state of the art, modern american military equipment. The iron dome defense of theirs is one such example.
Territory held by Israel before and after the Six Day War. The Straits of Tiran are circled, between the Gulf of Aqaba to the north and the Red Sea to the south.
Date June 5–10, 1967
Location Middle East
Result Decisive Israeli victory
Territorial
changes Israel captures the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.
Belligerents
Israel Egypt
Syria
Jordan
Iraq[1]
Lebanon[2]
Supported by:
Algeria
Kuwait
Libya
Morocco
Pakistan[3]
PLO
Saudi Arabia
Sudan
Tunisia
Commanders and leaders
Levi Eshkol
Moshe Dayan
Yitzhak Rabin
Uzi Narkiss
Motta Gur
Israel Tal
Mordechai Hod
Yeshayahu Gavish (he)
Ariel Sharon
Ezer Weizman Gamal Abdel Nasser
Abdel Hakim Amer
Abdul Munim Riad
Hussein
Zaid ibn Shaker
Asad Ghanma
Salah Jadid
Nureddin al-Atassi
Abdul Rahman Arif
Mubarak Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah
Saleh Mohammed Al-Sabah
Strength
50,000 troops
214,000 reserves
300 combat aircraft
800 tanks[4]
Territory held by Israel before and after the Six Day War. The Straits of Tiran are circled, between the Gulf of Aqaba to the north and the Red Sea to the south.
Date June 5–10, 1967
Location Middle East
Result Decisive Israeli victory
Territorial
changes Israel captures the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.
Belligerents
Israel Egypt
Syria
Jordan
Iraq[1]
Lebanon[2]
Supported by:
Algeria
Kuwait
Libya
Morocco
Pakistan[3]
PLO
Saudi Arabia
Sudan
Tunisia
Commanders and leaders
Levi Eshkol
Moshe Dayan
Yitzhak Rabin
Uzi Narkiss
Motta Gur
Israel Tal
Mordechai Hod
Yeshayahu Gavish (he)
Ariel Sharon
Ezer Weizman Gamal Abdel Nasser
Abdel Hakim Amer
Abdul Munim Riad
Hussein
Zaid ibn Shaker
Asad Ghanma
Salah Jadid
Nureddin al-Atassi
Abdul Rahman Arif
Mubarak Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah
Saleh Mohammed Al-Sabah
Strength
50,000 troops
214,000 reserves
300 combat aircraft
800 tanks[4]
The thing is the Arab countries themselves don't trust each other. As a result they aren't organised. Jordan probably felt that if they lose too many soldiers and military arms, they might be vulnerable to attack from their own allies after the battle with Israel is done.
It still doesn't change the fact that they are stealing Palestinian land even to this day. Or are you going to say that the territories are still not planned? The west bank as of right now is being devoured by Israel, particularly East Jerusalem.
The UN has banned illegal annexation of land. Yet the Israeli government still continues this practice.
The situation in Israel is disturbingly similar to Nazi expansion. I don't support violence of any kind or terror groups like Hamas, but the Apartheid way of the Israeli government is encouraging the creation of such violent groups.
You'd be surprised to find out that many Israelis are not in favor of the settlements.
A few months ago, I visited some of the settlements. Part of the problem is that there had already been Jews living there. Then when violence is incited against Israeli citizens, the government isn't going to do nothing. So what happens? They need the government to back them up, or they have to leave. Both have happened. In some instances, Jews were forced out of their homes (where they've had family history older than the State of Israel or the concept of Palestinian nationalism), and in some cases, settlements were built up and protected. In recent years, Israel actually ceded land to the Palestinians. If we're gonna start talking about East Jerusalem, shall we also discuss how the people there do rely on Israeli government?
"Until 1998, residents of East Jerusalem were disadvantaged in terms of healthcare service and providers. By 2012, almost every neighborhood in East Jerusalem has health clinics that include advanced medical equipment, specialized ER units, X-ray diagnostic centers and dental clinics. Israel's system of healthcare entitles all Israeli citizens and East Jerusalem residents to receive free healthcare service funded by the Israeli government. In some cases, East Jerusalem residents can get free transportation to clinics, free subscriptions to health clubs or free dental care, to ensure they do not switch to a rival health care HMO provider.
According to Haaretz, the quality of healthcare centers between Israeli cities and East Jerusalem are almost equal. The health quality indices in East Jerusalem increased from a grade of 74 in 2009 to 87 in 2012, which is the same quality grade the clinics in West Jerusalem receive."
Israel doesn't have apartheid AT ALL, but many Israelis would agree with you on the bolded text. Not for the same reasons though. When I was in Israel a few months ago, we met a former member of Hamas. He talked about how he was pushed into joining the organization, but was unaware of what was going on. He recollected throwing stones at soldiers. Then one of his Hamas friends killed a baby and he realized what was happening. Obviously, he left. Part of the problem is that the people involved in Hamas will teach the people close to them some terrible stuff from a young age so that children become involved as well. They broadcast children's shows about killing all the Jews. And besides that, there are people spreading shit like this:
Since then, there have been many instance of Israelis being run over. One of the problems with Palestinian terrorists using cars as weapons is that Israel can't do anything about it.
The whole country belonged to Palestinians, either being controlled by British or that the whole land wasn't inhabited by Palestinians didn't change this fact, if so, then you can consider any country controlled by another country can give any piece to other groups.
Imagine when Germany conquered France, then they promised any other group (either from the same country or from other country) to have piece of the land, can you consider this legal by now after more than 70 years??,it is just the same situation, British conquered Palestine and some other countries in the region, then promised Jews to have part of the country, not only Jews from the region but from the whole world, this group created a country and killed thousands of Palestinians who didn't accept this situation.
Nope. That's the point. They never had a country. They were never even an organized people. They had no nationalist relationship with one another. There were different, divided groups living there. There were Jewish pioneers living there in the late 1800s that got along fine with the other people in those territories. At this time, a "Palestinian" didn't exist. It wasn't even a concept then. They were just different small groups with no more claim to the land than the small groups of Jewish settlers. It was several decades later when tensions in the region really increased. By the time refugees from WWII started showing up, the British controlled that land. They promised to give up the land to Jews to make the State of Israel, but in their odd form of bureaucracy, also promised the same exact land to the Arab groups that had then been united.
(Not all Arab groups were included in this. Hence why the State of Israel has such a large Arab population. I've actually had some Druz Israelis stay at my home for several weeks. The ones I've met are proud nationalists. Druz are actually a minority Muslim group native to the region that were treated poorly in neighboring Muslim countries because of their beliefs, so they joined the State of Israel and tend to like the freedom they have there.)
Palestinian is a term used to describe the people of the West Bank and Gaza today, but they weren't a unified people until a few decades into the 20th century.
