Senju's missing depiction of "bad".

[Joon]

But it breaks the balance. If an Uchiha could inherit a Senju's mindset, then an a Senju could inherit Uchiha's, in my pov.

I do not think it was inherited at first. I think it was taught to the Uchiha as Shuisui's father had the "Will of Fire" working under the leadership of Tobirama. He passed it down to his child (Shuisui), who taught it to Itachi. Itachi (having a Kage-level intelligence) understand the "Will of Fire" and was able to break away from the Curse of Hatred.

 

[Rikodou Mode]

Yeah he got caught running into a trap on his own (no teammates/co-operation)

 

[shelke]

Tobirama. BZ outright stating that both Clans fought for power and he approached transmigrants of both the clans but failed repeatedly and only found success with Madara?

I think it is pretty clear. Senju were far from innocent, given how they backed Tobirama's shady politics like scuttling scums, going behind the precepts of the treaty, and abandoning equality. Oh yeah and, Tobirama created Chunin exams to safe-guard the future of Konoha's children.

 

[Romy9]

I do not think it was inherited at first. I think it was taught to the Uchiha as Shuisui's father had the "Will of Fire" working under the leadership of Tobirama. He passed it down to his child (Shuisui), who taught it to Itachi.

Hmm, but don't you think you have to have some open or different character to accept a belief that defies the entire clan's opinion?

Tobirama. BZ outright stating that both Clans fought for power and he approached transmigrants of both the clans but failed repeatedly and only found success with Madara?

I think it is pretty clear. Senju were far from innocent, given how they backed Tobirama's shady politics like scuttling scums, going behind the precepts of the treaty, and abandoning equality. Oh yeah and, Tobirama created Chunin exams to safe-guard the future of Konoha's children.

Tobirama was ruthless to an extent. He was a "tough love" kind of guy. I still don't label him as anything that would justify this topic.

 

[Conspirator.]

Tobirama represents the Uchihas-minus their genes and the Curse of Hatred.

 

[Romy9]

Tobirama represents the Uchihas-minus their genes and the Curse of Hatred.

How so? Because he was cautious of Uchiha's mindset?

 

[Joon]

Hmm, but don't you think you have to have some open or different character to accept a belief that defies the entire clan's opinion?

Their beliefs are one of the same.

 

[Romy9]

Their beliefs are one of the same.

Itachi's, Kagami's and Shisui's belief clearly differed from their clan's belief. They defied the usual characteristic of an Uchiha. Senju had to be the same.

 

[Joon]

Itachi's, Kagami's and Shisui's belief clearly differed from their clan's belief. They defied the usual characteristic of an Uchiha. Senju had to be the same.

You must thought a lot into this. I agree, but its something that we would never found out.

 

[Romy9]

You must thought a lot into this. I agree, but its something that we would never found out.

Well, to an extent. Yeah, and that's why it sucks.

 

[MinaButt]

The Senju never really got that much development but I guess Tobirama is kinda dark.

 

[Nagi]

Danzo

 

[Nagi]

Thinking outside of your clan is not the "Will of fire". Some people just don't give a shit about their clan or just look at the bigger picture. It is just dumb to call that the "will of fire"

 

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

That was annoying. Senju clan was simply gone like the Avatar. They were both strongest, and than there is no Senju alive worth mentioning except Tsunade.. We should at least had a minor character from Senju Clan who is a fellow Jonin from Kakashi's generation.

 

[KingHashirama]

Because their leader was Hashirama Senju.

Itachi's, Kagami's and Shisui's belief clearly differed from their clan's belief. They defied the usual characteristic of an Uchiha. Senju had to be the same.

No.

The Clan thought of the village (their resentment as to why they were stopped from participating in the 9-tails attack showed this) , while also its higher ups looking out for their own people.

And also, since the only known senju from the village are Hashirama and Tobirama, and those 2 had strong beliefs it'd be hard for him to do it.

But before Hashirama's time, Senju clan was also "power for peace", while claiming "love for peace". < Something Kid Hashirama pointed out.

 

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

Because their leader was Hashirama Senju.

Even his own brother disregarded Hashirama's words about Uchiha and Edo Tensei. I don't see your point.

 

[loj]

Thank that to Kishi for his Naruto & Sasuke wank...

 

[KingHashirama]

Even his own brother disregarded Hashirama's words about Uchiha and Edo Tensei. I don't see your point.

So what wrong did Tobirama do to the uchiha....

PS: that same brother holds Hashirama to be the best Hokage.

 

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

So what wrong did Tobirama do to the uchiha....

PS: that same brother holds Hashirama to be the best Hokage.

My point wasn't Tobirama is evil. My point was that Tobirama disregarded Hashirama's words. While his own brother doesn't hold his words at such high regard, why would the rest of clan does ?

Surely Hashirama is charismatic leader in battle and they followed him because he was strong. But would everyone follow him about everything such as their ideals, decisions while his own brother didn't ?

 

[KingHashirama]

My point wasn't Tobirama is evil. My point was that Tobirama disregarded Hashirama's words. While his own brother doesn't hold his words at such high regard, why would the rest of clan does ?

Surely Hashirama is charismatic leader in battle and they followed him because he was strong. But would everyone follow him about everything such as their ideals, decisions while his own brother didn't ?

you gave me 2 examples.

Spoiler

Edo tensei = Banned technique = Tobirama has his own ambitions, but in the end he listened to his broskie and banned it.

Uchiha clan = he made them the police = didn't segregate them or anything... but used them to what they were capable of. And like Tobirama said, they weren't the only ones in the village who got the treatment.

His brother didn't follow Hashirama's ideals? Is that a joke?

- Went to other villages for peace conferences

- Passed on the torch to the next generation

- Valued the lifes of his villagers like Hashirama did


Yes they had different set of minds, everyone in the government does. However, notice what you are saying is only telling me Tobirama doesn't do everything Hashirama wants him to do.. But i do not care for that. Tobirama is an individual with his own mind.

However, the thread maker said why we haven't seen Senju with that kind of thinking, and I said because their leader was Hashirama senju. Because Hashirama influenced not only the Uchiha into that way of thinking, but also other people. Even the diverse clans of the Senju bloodline joined into the Senju clan.

And also, followers usually listen to the leader more than their siblings. As a sibling the "fear" or the "respect" tends to fade away. And thats why when Hashirama got serious Tobirama listened. =]

He was a full follower of the Will of Fire.

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