[VS] Kakashi vs Gai

[Bogard]

Minato knew Gai's dad personally, knowing what he could do and his way of thinking towards his son, so it seems he was observing Gai a lot(especially since he always used to like to compete with his genius student), so my estimation is that he didn't know Gai could open it exactly because the last time he checked, Gai couldn't. As simple as that

So hence my estimation that Gai probably only learnt gates sometime later after Minato's death, starting to use it to the point even anbu infiltrated guys like yamato(who work for the hokage) knew about it. Things like this can't remain unnoticed especially for someone like Minato for the reasons i presented before

This could also go along the lines of Kakashi's shock when he realised a Lee(who was older than Gaiden Gai) could open gates this early, attributating it to his genius, in a way to say he never saw it before even knowing Gai.

I'm not restricting anything. I'm putting approximative estimations basing on how i think they gradually evolved with time. Now if you're not okay with it, it's your problem

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Kakashi takes them all except S4 imo​

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[Haizaki]

Minato knew Gai's dad personally, knowing what he could do and his way of thinking towards his son, so it seems he was observing Gai a lot(especially since he always used to like to compete with his genius student), so my estimation is that he didn't know Gai could open it exactly because the last time he checked, Gai couldn't. As simple as that

You have the nerve to say "As simple as that" with all this fan fiction you're bringing up. Not even one point to why Minato should know he can open the gates.

This isn't Manga supported but your "estimation" which is greatly flawed by assumptions. He was observing Gai a lot? You're forcing a relationship which Minato never had with Gai to prove your point.

So hence my estimation that Gai probably only learnt gates sometime later after Minato's death, starting to use it to the point even anbu infiltrated guys like yamato(who work for the hokage) knew about it. Things like this can't remain unnoticed especially for someone like Minato for the reasons i presented before

Glad that you're making it known to us that it's your own opinion because this rubbish isn't backed up and involves a lot of misinterpretation. Yamato knew about it but you can't tell me when he did...You can only use this logic but failed to realize that Yamato worked for Danzo instead of Minato from what I recall.

This could also go along the lines of Kakashi's shock when he realised a Lee(who was older than Gaiden Gai) could open gates this early, attributating it to his genius, in a way to say he never saw it before even knowing Gai.

Stop damn...Lee opening it at that age and being referred to as a Genius doesn't mean Jack when he said it wasn't about handwork

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. Doesn't mean Gai couldn't do so because Kaakshi was surprised that Lee could.

I'm not restricting anything. I'm putting approximative estimations basing on how i think they gradually evolved with time. Now if you're not okay with it, it's your problem

You're trying to imply Might Dai died after Minato which doesn't even sound right. I showed you the difference in Gai's dressing from when he was learning the Gates(Which was exact with when he fought Kakashi) and then I showed Gai during the Ninja war which implies his dress sense from when he was a kid had changed. I've shown the clear difference in his facial looks as well.

My last post already dealt with everything so Minato not knowing Gai could do so doesn't mean he couldn't...You have to prove that when I've shown instances.

If Kishi wanted us to know Gai couldn't, Minato would have outright made it clear that Gai could not when he was alive instead of saying he himself didn't know about it a secret technique of Gai's.

 

[Bogard]

*Sigh* Once again, i don't care if you believe he could even use the final gate or even an unexisting thousand gates while in his diapers to begin with. I was only explaining the reason of my own assumption, something i said since my first opening post. No need to butthurt on everything Gai related

 

[Haizaki]

Sigh no need to reply to me then with your assumption...one becomes butthurt when they prove you wrong or rather when your flawed assumption is unaccepted. Even your best friend Narutopedia disageees with your ridiculous assumption when you read Gai's background...Once again, stop polluting threads with your flawed assumptions and stop thinking you're always right when you don't have anything to back your point.

We both know Im butthurt everytime I prove you wrong.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kakashi wins 1,2 and 6....2 is even debatable when you think of the fact that Gai's dad was dead meaning Gai could open the 7th at that point since he was taught. Either way it's a good rivalry since it's really equal with the wins.

When did Kakashi follow Kaguya's speed with his eyes? Not that it matters but you'd have to prove that particular point rather than assuming or I can say Sakura did as well because she was there and got a hit.

With what proof does kyuubi attack guy have 7 gates.

 

[Haizaki]

With what proof does kyuubi attack guy have 7 gates.

Go and counter what I said... If you can't see from the way he's dressed and his facial look like I showed to indicate the clear difference, then I'm not going to bother.

 

[Haizaki]

Everyone be talking but what I love is how Minato says "I didn't think Gai could".

 

[scrmz]

Kakashi win all.

 

[KingHashirama]

Considering Gai didn't surpass him until he locked the 8th gate.. or thats when Kakashi acknowledge Gai being stronger than himself.. I would say Kakashi takes all.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Go and counter what I said... If you can't see from the way he's dressed and his facial look like I showed to indicate the clear difference, then I'm not going to bother.

So based on how he dressed he mastered the 7th gate.....
can't tell if you're serious.

 

[Haizaki]

So based on how he dressed he mastered the 7th gate.....
can't tell if you're serious.

No common sense shows that his dress pattern changed like how we saw certain characters change to indicate an increase in age or at least a difference in maturity and looking at that scan, we see Gai's dress style during the time period was similar to when he fought Kakashi in the Chuunin exams but was clearly different from the Nine tails scenario where he looks like he aged a lot. Also, his facial looks as well show the difference in growth.

Then again, Minato said he didn't think Gai could which isn't equal to Gai not being able to...Don't take me seriously but you're not doing well when it comes to giving good points boy. I didn't say he mastered it, I said he could use it.

 

[Izou Xaxa]

1, 2 , 3 Kakashi
and
4, 5 , 6 Gai

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No common sense shows that his dress pattern changed like how we saw certain characters change to indicate an increase in age or at least a difference in maturity and looking at that scan, we see Gai's dress style during the time period was similar to when he fought Kakashi in the Chuunin exams but was clearly different from the Nine tails scenario where he looks like he aged a lot. Also, his facial looks as well show the difference in growth.

growth? Yes. A definite amount of gates? No.

Lee's outfit didn't change despite learning gates for the first time.

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So I wouldn't use clothing to determine how much gates he can use.

Then again, Minato said he didn't think Gai could which isn't equal to Gai not being able to...Don't take me seriously but you're not doing well when it comes to giving good points boy. I didn't say he mastered it, I said he could use it.

There's no doubt he can use gates, thats somthing he had even prior to chunin exams. What I asked for is proof of seventh. Simple question really.

 

[Haizaki]

Ok BG you agree for sure that there was an increase in growth right...Lee's outfit not changing isn't going to change the fact that Gai's dress style from when he was young was different from his when he was older in the Nine tails. I'm not using dress style to define how many gates but just to show to you the difference in age and maturity which you pretty much agreed with..That Lee scan doesn't show jack when we've seen shippuden Lee's dress style is different to part 1 Lee indicating a change. Gai's style changing indicates maturity and an increase in age. Not only his style, his facial looks as well which agrees with it.

As for the gates part, wasn't it stated that Dai taught Gai how to open the gates? Bogard is in all seriousness telling me he wasn't a Gate user at that point which is funny to me. Dai taught Gai the 8th Gates so Im sure if he could open a certain amount which you're stating, he should be able to open all unless he learned them by himself which is different from what we were told.

Glad you're more reasonable than Bogard by far.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Ok BG you agree for sure that there was an increase in growth right..

that's understandable. Given his taijutsu regiment (which was ridiculous even from academy days) he'd show a growth in abilities. But that isn't enough for proof of seventh gate.

Lee's outfit not changing isn't going to change the fact that Gai's dress style from when he was young was different from his when he was older in the Nine tails. I'm not using dress style to define how many gates but just to show to you the difference in age and maturity which you pretty much agreed with..

Yeah but again. That's not proof of how many gates he can use as seen by lee. Going from 0 to 5 without changing clothing.

That Lee scan doesn't show jack when we've seen shippuden Lee's dress style is different to part 1 Lee indicating a change.

it shows that clothing isn't a factor for how many gates he has as explained above.

Gai's style changing indicates maturity and an increase in age. Not only his style, his facial looks as well which agrees with it.

but not gates.

As for the gates part, wasn't it stated that Dai taught Gai how to open the gates?

yeah but that dosen't mean guy can open 7. Guy tought lee and lee's able to recognize techs in gates he himself can't use. Proof of this is him knowing how EE(8th) works and him knowing of Hirudora(7th). But by his own admission the highest hate he can use is 6th.

Bogard is in all seriousness telling me he wasn't a Gate user at that point which is funny to me.

I could care less what Bogard said. My question was very specific.

Dai taught Gai the 8th Gates so Im sure if he could open a certain amount which you're stating,

Yeah he can open gates. We saw dai training him for it.

he should be able to open all unless he learned them by himself which is different from what we were told.

is is obviously not true as seen by Lee. Him knowing gates and their techs dosen't mean he himself can do it.

Glad you're more reasonable than Bogard by far.

Sure.

 

[Bogard]

Why are you even discussing over an assumption instead of talking about the real debate? Whether he could use his gates in his diapers or not doesn't matter here. It's funny how an assumption can't be made he couldn't use it just because of a Gai fanboyism

 

[Haizaki]

@BG would respond when I get home but

@Bogard Shutup kid....You brought it up but you were wrong. So no, I didn't deviate away from the topic when I was confronted with another...I love how you run away to something else when you're wrong. Stfu and don't reply to me...your assumption was flawed and there's nothing wrong in correcting it when your response was directed at me.

You replied to me addressing a point I spoke of but somehow I can't respond addressing it? FOH with this Gai fanboyism talk when you don't know jack about the Manga. I'm always a fanboy when I trash your points in almost every argument.

 

[Bogard]

1- I wasn't even replying to you only
2- You gave your own assumption, but because it didn't really mattered with the topic at hand, i just ignored it, nothing more. But sure if it makes you feel happy, you trashed it. Now can you discuss over the topic at hand?
3- I'm not the 8years mental old here who is unable to control his own emotions

 

[Haizaki]

Jesus this dude needs to shut up and get over the fact that his point was wrong..When you're wrong about something you're debating about, say you're wrong and move on. Don't duel on the fact that "It's not relevant" when you in person singled it out.

You were replying to me only but not directly quoting me..I was the only person that brought that point up in my post which you responded to by addressing it. If you're not emotional, stfu and talk about the main point you never brought up gosh...Stop going on and on about the relevance when you brought it up. Another way to cover up for the fact that you got proved wrong which is why you're bringing emotions into it when that's not the case. Once again, I gave my thoughts on the entire matchup, you brought up a point which of course was in response to mine, I proved you wrong and you're trying to say "It's not relevant" when you singled it out? Dafuq? How did you ignore it when you addressed it? Stop using "relevance" to cover up because you only brought that up when you realized that your point wasn't entirely correct like you thought due to misinterpretation of the Manga.

@BG still gonna respond soon dw.