[VS] Kakashi vs Gai

[Bogard]

Location: Konoha

S1: Gaiden Kakashi(no Sharingan) vs Gaiden Gai
S2: Kyubi attack Kakashi vs Kyubi attack Gai
S3: Part1 Kakashi vs part1 Gai(assume he can open 6gates, but the drawbacks are similar to part1 Lee's)
S4: Early Part2 Kakashi vs Early part2 Gai(assume he can open the 7th gate, but the drawbacks are similar to part1 Lee's)
S5: War arc MS Kakashi vs War arc Gai(final gate restricted)
S6: War arc DMS Kakashi vs 8 gated Gai(assume he has no drawbacks)

So how exactly did the rivarly grow with time? Time to find that out. And please don't come with the Gai blitz bs when he is facing someone with arguably better reflexive speed than him. U_U I want to know the general consensus by hearing decent arguments

 

[Red Flag X Drake]

Kakashi takes 1 through 4.

5 is tricky but still Kakashi.

6. Gai. I think he would be too fast for even MS at that point.

 

[Bogard]

Kakashi takes 1 through 4.

5 is tricky but still Kakashi.

6. Gai. I think he would be too fast for even MS at that point.

I didn't really intended to argue on my own thread, but remember for the 6 that Sasuke(with his EMS) could track Jubito's speed and DMS Kakashi got Rikudo chakra enhancing his MS to drastical proportions to the point of being capable to follow even a stronger Kaguya's speed than a one faster than a Jin Madara who could keep up with 8 gated Gai

 

[Red Flag X Drake]

I didn't really intended to argue on my own thread, but remember for the 6 that Sasuke(with his EMS) could track Jubito's speed and DMS Kakashi got Rikudo chakra enhancing his MS to drastical proportions to the point of being capable to follow even a stronger Kaguya's speed than a one faster than a Jin Madara who could keep up with 8 gated Gai

True. If so than he would win.

 

[KidGamer65]

S1: Gaiden Kakashi(no Sharingan) vs Gaiden Gai

Didn't Kakashi already beat him? Lol.

S2: Kyubi attack Kakashi vs Kyubi attack Gai

Same as above, I don't think Gai bridged that gap, especially since Kakashi got Sharingan.

S3: Part1 Kakashi vs part1 Gai(assume he can open 6gates, but the drawbacks are similar to part1 Lee's)

Gai probably wins.

S4: Early Part2 Kakashi vs Early part2 Gai(assume he can open the 7th gate, but the drawbacks are similar to part1 Lee's)

Gai wins.

S5: War arc MS Kakashi vs War arc Gai(final gate restricted)

If Kakashi gets a good amount of distance, he could probably take this one..but Gai probably wins. 7G is way too fast and way too powerful.

S6: War arc DMS Kakashi vs 8 gated Gai(assume he has no drawbacks)

Kakashi wins.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kakashi wins 1 and 2.
guy wins everything else bar dms.

 

[Lariatoo]

Kakashi wins 1, 2 and 6. Gai wins rest.

 

[Haizaki]

Kakashi wins 1,2 and 6....2 is even debatable when you think of the fact that Gai's dad was dead meaning Gai could open the 7th at that point since he was taught. Either way it's a good rivalry since it's really equal with the wins.

When did Kakashi follow Kaguya's speed with his eyes? Not that it matters but you'd have to prove that particular point rather than assuming or I can say Sakura did as well because she was there and got a hit.

 

[Kamui Sama]

S5 goes either way. Depends on distance but Kakashi can activate MS and use Kamui faster than any of his hand seal attacks. Gai opening gates seems to be as fast as Kakashi prepping a clone so if he goes for an immediate oneshot he takes it (assuming they both start in base).

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[Haizaki]

S5 goes either way. Depends on distance but Kakashi can activate MS and use Kamui faster than any of his hand seal attacks. Gai opening gates seems to be as fast as Kakashi prepping a clone so if he goes for an immediate oneshot he takes it (assuming they both start in base).

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Kakashi used the Seal first before Gai decided to open the Gate in that very scan...So it doesn't show Gai can activate the Gates as fast as the clone can come out when the had seal was used before he decided to use the Gates.

I can also say Gai can pull out Soshuga as fast as Kakashi can activate his MS by your logic

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but Pulling out Soshuga isn't as fast as opening the Gates so your point doesn't stand when he could activate the Gates instantly and catch Madara with AT before a sword stab on Naruto was completed.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Kakashi used the Seal first before Gai decided to open the Gate in that very scan...So it doesn't show Gai can activate the Gates as fast as the clone can come out when the had seal was used before he decided to use the Gates.

I can also say Gai can pull out Soshuga as fast as Kakashi can activate his MS by your logic

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but Pulling out Soshuga isn't as fast as opening the Gates so your point doesn't stand when he could activate the Gates instantly and catch Madara with AT before a sword stab on Naruto was completed.

hmm true, I still believe Kakashi has shown quicker activation with kamui.

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Here, he activates mangekyou then builds up enough chakra to warp two arrows in rapid succession. Also, with 3t precog he should be able to react faster and pull off the one-shot.

 

[Bogard]

Minato(who lived until Kyubi attack) said he never knew Gai could open gates, so we know he wasn't a gate user until at least that point. It's for that reason i didn't give him gates at that moment

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Kakashi in 1, 2, and 6

Gai in 3, 4, and 5

However the two aren't equals at all. 7th Gate Gai far surpasses Kakashi, and 6th Gate Gai probably beats him as well. This is one of the areas that I think Kishi really screwed up the most on. I can understand that 8th Gate Gai surpasses him, along with 98-99% of the rest of the NV. But 7th Gate Gai? Lol... Kakashi only has Kamui going for him that puts him at that level, and even then it's a boring ass technique. Kishi should have gave him a hax S/T technique incorporating the lightning release, which puts him at least above 6th Gate Gai and not far behind 7th Gate Gai to make it a stomp in a match between the two. But alas, all we got was Kamui... =\

 

[Raykyryn]

Kakashi wins 1,2 and 6.
Loses 3 and 4.
5 is debatable but i give it to Kakashi because of the reaction feat he displayed against JJ Madara.

 

[Bogard]

Kakashi in 1, 2, and 6

Gai in 3, 4, and 5

However the two aren't equals at all. 7th Gate Gai far surpasses Kakashi, and 6th Gate Gai probably beats him as well. This is one of the areas that I think Kishi really screwed up the most on. I can understand that 8th Gate Gai surpasses him, along with 98-99% of the rest of the NV. But 7th Gate Gai? Lol... Kakashi only has Kamui going for him that puts him at that level, and even then it's a boring ass technique. Kishi should have gave him a hax S/T technique incorporating the lightning release, which puts him at least above 6th Gate Gai and not far behind 7th Gate Gai to make it a stomp in a match between the two. But alas, all we got was Kamui... =\

Damn and here i didn't want to reply in my own thread

I think you're underestimating simple ninjutsu techniques when used by someone like Kakashi. Remember that lotus Lee(and Gai for the matter) were fooled by a simple kawarimi part1 Gaara made and Kakashi's handseal speed is either so fast that most don't even notice when he forms his ninjutsu techniques or he always make sure they go unnoticed to the point of fooling even guys like Itachi or Pain. According to Choza, he particularly specializes in missdirections like clones or kawarimi even and he also possess visually simple techniques like doton hiding mole, but enough to hinder completely 6 or even 7 Gated Gai's attack power, lightning clone that paralyse you when it poofs(and leave you open) or the long range lightning beast whose direction is controled by him(so doesn't give you much chance to escape).

I believe people are so focused on physical stats that they forget fundamentals in battles like ninjutsu or even genjutsu. He is mainly known for his usage of ninjutsu and Sharingan when Gai is mainly known for his taijutsu. It's how they have been portrayed, so while not destinated to compete with him physically, he makes up for it with his ninjutsu and usage of Sharingan. And i believe Kakashi has enough arsenal to pull it off with simple ninjutsu or even genjutsu tricks considering Gai originally said he created an entire anti-Sharingan fighting style exactly because it was troublesome for him. These basic tricks imo are like i've said enough to completely turn a battle like this to his advantage.

 

[Red Flag X Drake]

Kakashi had MS since he killed Rin. There is no way he would ever lose.

 

[Bogard]

Kakashi had MS since he killed Rin. There is no way he would ever lose.

He unlocked it back then, but he only started mastering it by early part2. He couldn't use it before. Actually he likely had no idea of it to begin with

 

[Red Flag X Drake]

He unlocked it back then, but he only started mastering it by early part2. He couldn't use it before. Actually he likely had no idea of it to begin with

He was an ex ambu and considered to be a monster. I think he had it. Of course not mastered but he would be able to use it well enough to crush gai

 

[Haizaki]

hmm true, I still believe Kakashi has shown quicker activation with kamui.

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Here, he activates mangekyou then builds up enough chakra to warp two arrows in rapid succession. Also, with 3t precog he should be able to react faster and pull off the one-shot.

Doesn't matter since Gai has already shown faster activation followed by an attack here

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before a stab that was already in motion.

It doesn't matter whether he warped 2 arrow because that's not enabling him to activate it and warp Gai before the Gates comes out. 3T reacting to 7G Gai? Not a chance which is why Kakashi needs to be use his trickery. So no, there's no way he'll be activating it and warping before Gai moves an inch out of his sight since he can open the Gates while moving

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Minato(who lived until Kyubi attack) said he never knew Gai could open gates, so we know he wasn't a gate user until at least that point. It's for that reason i didn't give him gates at that moment

Minato not doesn't mean he couldn't so that point doesn't support you..You'd have to prove that especially when the difference is clear between this version of Gai with his dress style

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and this version of Gai during the Nine tail strike

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Not to mention the interpretation doesn't support you when you think of the fact that he said "He never knew" which is different from "He couldn't do it"..That doesn't imply he wasn't one because it wasn't known to Minato.

If you're restricting it, then say so..Don't say it's Manga supported when Kakashi/Neji and few others didn't know Lee could use Hachimon till the Chuunin exam. Hiashi and other Hyuugas never knew Neji could pull off those high level moves till the Chuunin exams...All these examples show there's a timeframe before a technique is revealed to individuals...You can't say because Minato didn't know about it, then Gai couldn't do it. Not a point when Minato was HoKage for a short period.

 

[Haizaki]

And no, Gai wasn't fooled by the Bunshin as shown here

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"His eyes were closed to pray" as stated by Kakashi.