[VS] Muu vs Gengetsu

[RicardoA]

Location: Desert, with an oasis nearby.
Intel: Standard. They're aware of eachother's reputation.
Restrictions: None.

Since its all about feats around here, lets ignore what we were told about this match up and judge it based on what we saw from these two. Who do you think would prevail in this hypothetical scenario?
Also, who do you think is overall stronger?

 

[DMT]

- Gengetsu can't Locate Mū

- Joki Boi gets one shotted by jinton

- water gun is dodged with his sensing abilities + Flight

- clam genjutsu is useless against someone you cant hit, Mū is invisible , sensor and can fly

 

[FemmeFatale]

- Gengetsu can't Locate Mū

- Joki Boi gets one shotted by jinton

- water gun is dodged with his sensing abilities + Flight

- clam genjutsu is useless against someone you cant hit, Mū is invisible , sensor and can fly

his invisibility is water style, genjetsu is like suigetsu he can detect water.

 

[super yang]

Muu wins 10/10 times

he crushes the clam w/ mountain sandwich, then he sneaks up on trollkage...again

 

[RicardoA]

- Gengetsu can't Locate Mū

True. But how will Muu locate Gengetsu?

- Joki Boi gets one shotted by jinton

Maybe. But don't you think it could explode once before that? Potencially forcing Muu to split.
The clone is very fast in its early stages and Muu would have to analyse it first to know what to do.

- water gun is dodged with his sensing abilities + Flight

I agree.
That's the least of his concerns though. Water Gun by itself is a weak jutsu.

- clam genjutsu is useless against someone you cant hit, Mū is invisible , sensor and can fly

Does he have to 'hit' him though? What Gengetsu uses isn't tradicional genjutsu.
He's not a sensor or a tracker, yet everyone caught within the mist's range saw the same mirage. Did he knew exactly how many opponents he was fighting and their locations? Were all of them within his sight? I highly doubt.

Muu wins 10/10 times

he crushes the clam w/ mountain sandwich, then he sneaks up on trollkage...again

@bold: Whatahell?

 

[Unorthodox]

boring matchup Sasuke solos both

 

[Conspirator.]

I believe that with full intel, Mu would take out the Mizukage. But without full intel, they'd stalemate like they did in canon.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

- Gengetsu can't Locate Mū

And Mu can't locate Gengetsu either

- Joki Boi gets one shotted by jinton

Manga facts, Muu struggled against it, and by feats Joki is freken fast. Yet alone Genjutsu mirage to not aiming at the right one.

- water gun is dodged with his sensing abilities + Flight

To bad you cant sense chakra under his genjutsu, fact.

- clam genjutsu is useless against someone you cant hit, Mū is invisible , sensor and can fly

Um its completely useful as

1.) Muu cant distinguish which is the real clam/clone. If Muu wants to "hit" Gengetsu, he will be hitting clones and mirages. so staying invisible is useless as he can't do nothing effectively in that mode to take down Gengetsu.
2.) Can't sense under genjutsu so throw that argument out, if you think he can sense an attacking coming.
3.) Flight is useless, as a water bullet, like any bullet, can go pretty far in the air to begin with.


Theres no argument you can make that Muu bests him all the time. Base on feats too, they are even.

 

[DMT]

I admit that Gengetsu is a bad matchup for Mū

True. But how will Muu locate Gengetsu?

He can't, it comes down to who can outlast the other, Mū can counter anything else with ease

Maybe. But don't you think it could explode once before that? Potencially forcing Muu to split.
The clone is very fast in its early stages and Muu would have to analyse it first to know what to do.

Yes sure, the clone is faster than gaara's sand but Mū has better reaction and speed feats

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Mū would use surprise Jinton by using Mujin Mesai and caught the clone off guard, since gengetsu has no sensing abilities, and no, once jinton touch the clone , it would disintegrate it on a molecular level.

I agree.
That's the least of his concerns though. Water Gun by itself is a weak jutsu.

It's the only offensive jutsu gengetsu have, aside from Joki boi

Does he have to 'hit' him though? What Gengetsu uses isn't tradicional genjutsu.
He's not a sensor or a tracker, yet everyone caught within the mist's range saw the same mirage. Did he knew exactly how many opponents he was fighting and their locations? Were all of them within his sight? I highly doubt.

What do you mean ?

 

[DMT]

his invisibility is water style, genjetsu is like suigetsu he can detect water.

He can't detect water

 

[FemmeFatale]

He can't detect water

But isn't he the same as suigetsu

 

[DMT]

But isn't he the same as suigetsu

Many members here are denying that Mū can use add weight and cube jinton techniques , because he has no feats to do so same thing with gengetsu

 

[RicardoA]

He can't, it comes down to who can outlast the other, Mū can counter anything else with ease

I agree.

Yes sure, the clone is faster than gaara's sand but Mū has better reaction and speed feats

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Mū would use surprise Jinton by using Mujin Mesai and caught the clone off guard, since gengetsu has no sensing abilities,

@bold: That's plausible.
When i brought the clone's agility up i meant to use it to question Muu's difficulty in landing Jinton (since you mentioned that as a sort of 1-hit certain counter), but i agree that his cover would give him good chances to land a surprise attack.

and no, once jinton touch the clone , it would disintegrate it on a molecular level.

Never argued against that Lol

It's the only offensive jutsu gengetsu have, aside from Joki boi

He could theoretically attemp to drown Muu with his body, but i see what you mean.

What do you mean ?

The way i see it, once Gengetsu puts up the mist and his opponent is within range, the opponent is already under the genjutsu regardeless of whether or not Gengetsu is aware of him.
Like i mentioned before, Gengetsu doesn't use regular genjutsu. He actually creates a mirage instead of directly manipulating his opponent's brain to make them see stuff. That's, say, the difference between him and Kurenai.
In this case i wondered why you though being undetectable would make him 'immune'.

 

[Lariatoo]

Tie. #mangaphax