Gay in Russia

[Uzumaki Macho]

Would that change your mind if this was a video of gay pedophiles getting beat? If that's what was going on it shows you how important context is and how media can be manipulated for any agenda.

Bold: I guess "pedos, rapists, and murderers" aren't considered anyone. Whether you are appalled by their actions or not, they are people too.

She meant innocent people.

 

[NaNaNaaaaa]

She meant innocent people.

Exactly, I thought this video was about innocent Russian gay men being beat up by intolerant thugs. I don't speak Russian. Is this video about something else?

And no, I don't consider pedos and rapists or child killers people, I don't consider them alive.

 

[Conspirator.]

The Russian stance on gay people isn't the best in general.

 

[godsao]

Horrible my god

 

[Filosoofis]

K I will defend Russia on this one.

First of all why is there an really an anti-gay law in Russia.
2 main reasons besides religion. The population of Russia was shrinking and is finally slowly growing bigger thanks to Putin with how he is organizing his country. If there would be more gay couples then less women would find a man (mainly talking about males) in Russia the male and female percentage isn't balanced there are over there more women than man. So it would interrupt the growth of the Russian population.
reason 2 is it is proven that most pedophiles that are caught are gay. Most times the pedophiles around the world are man that like little boys. In Russia you better not be a pedophile or else you could easily get beaten up or almost killed by some Russian nationalists. There are many videos of pedophiles getting beaten up there after they wanted to meet 12 year olds who they met on facebook or Vkontakte. So most Russians think if the gay population would increase the pedophile population would also increase.

2nd of all why do you think being a homosexual is a normal thing? Who can say if it is a normal thing to be or not? Exactly the west in your eyes. Even though the situation in the west might be better than in most parts of the world. I don't think our way of living should be the same like all over the world like you want.
When putin came to my country (the Netherlands) Our prime-Minister was talking or more like begging because he is a pvssy to Putin about the violation of the LGBT in Russia. Putin just answered with who are you the one to talk if you got a pedophile party in your "eerste en tweede kamer" (room for our politicians and yes we have or now had one. Not quite sure...

This mine reasons why banning gay rights should be a normal thing to do if most of the people and politicians agree with it.
On the topic they are beating him up no that is a crime but i would consider it a normal crime not a hate crime. Because gayness almost doesn't exist in Russia.

I am looking forward for what you have to say to me

 

[Callypigia]

She meant innocent people.

Exactly, I thought this video was about innocent Russian gay men being beat up by intolerant thugs. I don't speak Russian. Is this video about something else?

And no, I don't consider pedos and rapists or child killers people, I don't consider them alive.

Social norms are ever-changing. Ancient Greece had very different views on pedophilia and rape (yes even rape) than many countries (especially Western) do now. Just 25 years ago we wouldn't even be having this discussion on gay rights because it was considered taboo, and still is in many countries.

Needless to say, denying human rights to someone who does an action you don't agree with does not make them less human. If you believe that than there's no difference in what these people are doing to gays. If a society has a rule, they break a rule, and are caught then they are punished according to the law nothing more, nothing less. I agree that pedophiles, rapists, and child killers should be punished to full extent of the law, but they are still humans.

 

[NaNaNaaaaa]

Social norms are ever-changing. Ancient Greece had very different views on pedophilia and rape (yes even rape) than many countries (especially Western) do now. Just 25 years ago we wouldn't even be having this discussion on gay rights because it was considered taboo, and still is in many countries.

Needless to say, denying human rights to someone who does an action you don't agree with does not make them less human. If you believe that than there's no difference in what these people are doing to gays. If a society has a rule, they break a rule, and are caught then they are punished according to the law nothing more, nothing less. I agree that pedophiles, rapists, and child killers should be punished to full extent of the law, but they are still humans.

I'm sorry but I don't really consider the standards of a society from several thousand years ago, I would hope, though it often doesn't seem like it, that society has come some way since then. Not everything can be viewed academically.

Paedophilia and rape are not a social taboo or a social norm, paedophilia is the coercion or forcing a child into a sexual situation, a child, who is not emotionally or physically mature, who has no way to defend themselves, who often doesn't even understand what is being done to them for some sickos own perverse gratification.

A gay person is a person that is attracted to someone of the same gender and who embarks in a love affair with someone of the same gender who is completely willing

There is a point where a person forfeits their humanity, their are rules to being a human being, some sickos would like to remove those rules so they don't have to feel guilty for their actions but their is a point when a human being is no longer a human being, paedophilia is as far over the line as anyone can go. To hurt a child, to kill a child, that forfeits your humanity.

An ordinary gay person, who is innocent of all crime being beat up is a world of difference, they are being beat up, not because they have defiled a child but because of who they are.

I don't care about other peoples opinions to be honest in the area of paedophilia, if I had my way, I would tie them all to poles, cover them in tar set them on fire and record their screams for prosperity. Maybe you can find it in your heart to give them mercy, I applaud you for that, you are a better person than I am. I am sorry but I can find little mercy in my heart

Some rules are not the rules of society, they are the rules of humanity

I can forgive a lot, a lot, but to hurt a child in any way, I am extremely maternal, I would give my life to save a child, hurting a child is the one thing I could never forgive

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

If I was gay and in Russia I would buy a gun and be strapped all the time.

You don't even got to kill anybody. But this is awful, and the justification doesn't even make sense.

 

[YowYan]

Narrow-minded simpletons. Oh boy does it sound nice to have a virus for stupidity (bear with the one man joke)

 

[Ldude]

Criminals get locked up. Simple as that. "God is gay." -that one dead guy

 

[Red Flag X Drake]

K I will defend Russia on this one.

First of all why is there an really an anti-gay law in Russia.
2 main reasons besides religion. The population of Russia was shrinking and is finally slowly growing bigger thanks to Putin with how he is organizing his country. If there would be more gay couples then less women would find a man (mainly talking about males) in Russia the male and female percentage isn't balanced there are over there more women than man. So it would interrupt the growth of the Russian population.
reason 2 is it is proven that most pedophiles that are caught are gay. Most times the pedophiles around the world are man that like little boys. In Russia you better not be a pedophile or else you could easily get beaten up or almost killed by some Russian nationalists. There are many videos of pedophiles getting beaten up there after they wanted to meet 12 year olds who they met on facebook or Vkontakte. So most Russians think if the gay population would increase the pedophile population would also increase.

2nd of all why do you think being a homosexual is a normal thing? Who can say if it is a normal thing to be or not? Exactly the west in your eyes. Even though the situation in the west might be better than in most parts of the world. I don't think our way of living should be the same like all over the world like you want.
When putin came to my country (the Netherlands) Our prime-Minister was talking or more like begging because he is a pvssy to Putin about the violation of the LGBT in Russia. Putin just answered with who are you the one to talk if you got a pedophile party in your "eerste en tweede kamer" (room for our politicians and yes we have or now had one. Not quite sure...

This mine reasons why banning gay rights should be a normal thing to do if most of the people and politicians agree with it.
On the topic they are beating him up no that is a crime but i would consider it a normal crime not a hate crime. Because gayness almost doesn't exist in Russia.

I am looking forward for what you have to say to me

Considering we are over populated it should actually be encouraged in other countries XD

1. Just because you are gay doesn't mean you are a pedo. Plenty of pedos also like little girls. That is like saying we ban blacks or Mexicans because some are in gangs, or ban Christianity because of fanatics.

2. There isn't anything wrong with being not normal. Should we just ban left handedness too?

 

[Callypigia]

I'm sorry but I don't really consider the standards of a society from several thousand years ago, I would hope, though it often doesn't seem like it, that society has come some way since then. Not everything can be viewed academically.

Paedophilia and rape are not a social taboo or a social norm, paedophilia is the coercion or forcing a child into a sexual situation, a child, who is not emotionally or physically mature, who has no way to defend themselves, who often doesn't even understand what is being done to them for some sickos own perverse gratification.

A gay person is a person that is attracted to someone of the same gender and who embarks in a love affair with someone of the same gender who is completely willing

There is a point where a person forfeits their humanity, their are rules to being a human being, some sickos would like to remove those rules so they don't have to feel guilty for their actions but their is a point when a human being is no longer a human being, paedophilia is as far over the line as anyone can go. To hurt a child, to kill a child, that forfeits your humanity.

An ordinary gay person, who is innocent of all crime being beat up is a world of difference, they are being beat up, not because they have defiled a child but because of who they are.

I don't care about other peoples opinions to be honest in the area of paedophilia, if I had my way, I would tie them all to poles, cover them in tar set them on fire and record their screams for prosperity. Maybe you can find it in your heart to give them mercy, I applaud you for that, you are a better person than I am. I am sorry but I can find little mercy in my heart

Some rules are not the rules of society, they are the rules of humanity

I can forgive a lot, a lot, but to hurt a child in any way, I am extremely maternal, I would give my life to save a child, hurting a child is the one thing I could never forgive

You're not getting it. The reason you think that way is because you are a product of your time. A thousand years from now people might be sitting around saying the same things about your beliefs as you are about ancient Greece's. Even now pedophilia is different across cultures. Some cultures it's legal for a 30 year old man to date a 17 year old girl, in other's it is illegal. There are some people who are 18 years old in high school dating a 17 year old that get charged with statutory rape and carry a pedophile tag around for the rest of their life, do you consider them to be a human?

 

[NaNaNaaaaa]

You're not getting it. The reason you think that way is because you are a product of your time. A thousand years from now people might be sitting around saying the same things about your beliefs as you are about ancient Greece's. Even now pedophilia is different across cultures. Some cultures it's legal for a 30 year old man to date a 17 year old girl, in other's it is illegal. There are some people who are 18 years old in high school dating a 17 year old that get charged with statutory rape and carry a pedophile tag around for the rest of their life, do you consider them to be a human?

I think that way because I am a decent human being, my opinions are a product of nothing. You can't compare an ancient culture to now and you are using fringe cases to justify the opinion. We are not talking about 17 and 18 year olds. We are talking about men who rape babies and groom 13 year old girls, who rape 14 years old boys in shop toilet stalls. We are not talking about consensual relationships between two kids at 17 and 18

If a thousand years from now people think its OK to be a pedo, then I really hope the world does not make it that far.

And if a 30 year old man dates a 17 year old girl do I consider him a pedo no but I consider him a pervert

One thing, not everything in the world is an academic study, opinions don't have nightmares, they don't need therapy, they don't kill themselves out of shame, people spend so much time, feeling for the monsters that they forget about the victims, this isn't ancient greece, this is now and this is real little kids being abused by sickos

 

[Callypigia]

I think that way because I am a decent human being, my opinions are a product of nothing. You can't compare an ancient culture to now and you are using fringe cases to justify the opinion. We are not talking about 17 and 18 year olds. We are talking about men who rape babies and groom 13 year old girls, who rape 14 years old boys in shop toilet stalls.

If a thousand years from now people think its OK to be a pedo, then I really hope the world does not make it that far.

And if a 30 year old man dates a 17 year old girl do I consider him a pedo no but I consider him a pervert

So by your logic you can determine who's a human based on your own perception of right and wrong on your continuum of morality. That is no different than these people who are assaulting homosexuals because of their continuum of morality. And that sounds nice to say your opinions are a product of nothing, but that's impossible unless you grew up in the woods with no exposure to anything; your sense of morality and ethics are not inborn, they are shaped by your world.

 

[NaNaNaaaaa]

So by your logic you can determine who's a human based on your own perception of right and wrong on your continuum of morality. That is no different than these people who are assaulting homosexuals because of their continuum of morality. And that sounds nice to say your opinions are a product of nothing, but that's impossible unless you grew up in the woods with no exposure to anything; your sense of morality and ethics are not inborn, they are shaped by your world.

My sense of logic is simple, someone who rapes or grooms a child is a monster, I cannot understand the logic of anyone who would think opposite to that

So you compare two kids 18 and 17 having a mutual romance to a man raping a 3 year old?

And yes I consider a man dating a 17 year old a perv, he should be able to find someone his own age, a seventeen year olds maturity level is totally different to a 30 year old man, the only reason he would be interested in her is ***, although granted there are exceptions to that rule.

 

[Callypigia]

So you compare two kids 18 and 17 having a mutual romance to a man raping a 3 year old?

And yes I consider a man dating a 17 year old a perv, he should be able to find someone his own age, a seventeen year olds maturity level is totally different to a 30 year old man, the only reason he would be interested in her is ***, although granted there are exceptions to that rule.

All those scenarios are pedophiles, therefore not human in your eyes, except some that don't fall into your schema of pedophilia-they are humans. Don't you see the disconnect there? I'm picking because you said they aren't human. That means you can't empathize with them. Empathy doesn't mean you agree with actions. It often doesn't. You are telling me you are a decent human being, which I won't argue that your heart is in the right place, but denying someone is a human, a person who has experienced their own suffering (god knows what a pedophile's childhood was like) is not helping make the world a better place. Having a heart for the best and worst people on the planet, helping treat the "scum of the earth" into become more compassionate human beings should be your goal as a decent human being. I'm not going to say you have to be successful in treating them, but just trying helps making this place more tolerable.

 

[N o i r]

I'm not surprised. I don't agree with the russians, I support homosexuals even if I don't find two male kissing appealing, it's just not my life nor my say in how they live their lives. All that matters to me is that they're "humans" so just like any other human being, they deserve to live happy lives.

 

[NaNaNaaaaa]

All those scenarios are pedophiles, therefore not human in your eyes, except some that don't fall into your schema of pedophilia-they are humans. Don't you see the disconnect there? I'm picking because you said they aren't human. That means you can't empathize with them. Empathy doesn't mean you agree with actions. It often doesn't. You are telling me you are a decent human being, which I won't argue that your heart is in the right place, but denying someone is a human, a person who has experienced their own suffering (god knows what a pedophile's childhood was like) is not helping make the world a better place. Having a heart for the best and worst people on the planet, helping treat the "scum of the earth" into become more compassionate human beings should be your goal as a decent human being. I'm not going to say you have to be successful in treating them, but just trying helps making this place more tolerable.

A seventeen year old is not a child. Unfortunately between 16 and 18 is a grey area in this subject depending on what country you live in. For instance in the UK you are not considered a child at the age 16, I think it should be 18 but I am not, unfortunately, the law

A child is a child. I honestly don't care what a paedophile went through in there life, perhaps that is wrong, we can say that they were once a child too and that there actions don't wipe away what they went through but plenty of people have been through terrible things and didn't turn into monsters. Also, there are men like Gary Glitter, Rolph Harris, Jimmy Saville who went through nothing to make them pedos and yet, they were monsters, Gary Glitter and Jimmy Saville absolute monsters.

I also understand what you mean that in having no empathy for the scum of the Earth how can we take the higher ground, I understand that and I admire it. In most cases I would agree but I can't find mercy for pedo's I think most of us have an area where we just can't find any mercy. I don't know if it makes any difference that I am a woman and have natural maternal feelings but I just don't view pedo's as humans.

Saying that, when I read stories about these types of people being tortured in prison, I don't agree with it. I don't like cruelty and yet a part of me, a big part still doesn't care.

But I do understand what you are saying and I do agree, it is out empathy for the scum of the earth that makes us better people and pushes society forward.

 

[N o i r]

The population of Russia was shrinking and is finally slowly growing bigger thanks to Putin with how he is organizing his country. If there would be more gay couples then less women would find a man (mainly talking about males) in Russia the male and female percentage isn't balanced there are over there more women than man. So it would interrupt the growth of the Russian population.
reason 2 is it is proven that most pedophiles that are caught are gay. Most times the pedophiles around the world are man that like little boys. In Russia you better not be a pedophile or else you could easily get beaten up or almost killed by some Russian nationalists. There are many videos of pedophiles getting beaten up there after they wanted to meet 12 year olds who they met on facebook or Vkontakte. So most Russians think if the gay population would increase the pedophile population would also increase.

2nd of all why do you think being a homosexual is a normal thing? Who can say if it is a normal thing to be or not? Exactly the west in your eyes. Even though the situation in the west might be better than in most parts of the world. I don't think our way of living should be the same like all over the world like you want.
When putin came to my country (the Netherlands) Our prime-Minister was talking or more like begging because he is a pvssy to Putin about the violation of the LGBT in Russia. Putin just answered with who are you the one to talk if you got a pedophile party in your "eerste en tweede kamer" (room for our politicians and yes we have or now had one. Not quite sure...

This mine reasons why banning gay rights should be a normal thing to do if most of the people and politicians agree with it.
On the topic they are beating him up no that is a crime but i would consider it a normal crime not a hate crime. Because gayness almost doesn't exist in Russia.

I am looking forward for what you have to say to me

Do you speak english/write english m8? it's so hard to understand you first of all.
Anyways from what I could understand, you believe gay people = pedophiles, holy sh*t. *facepalms* I'm not even going to go there.

and your first choice, just because the population is low? fem and male ratio is off balance? what proof do you have and if so, forcing homsoexuals to have children just for population- that's wrong, what do you think humans are? animals to breed???

Your post is a classic example of ignorance.

Narrow-minded simpletons. Oh boy does it sound nice to have a virus for stupidity (bear with the one man joke)

Agreed

 

[SolarSpider]

K I will defend Russia on this one.

First of all why is there an really an anti-gay law in Russia.
2 main reasons besides religion. The population of Russia was shrinking and is finally slowly growing bigger thanks to Putin with how he is organizing his country. If there would be more gay couples then less women would find a man (mainly talking about males) in Russia the male and female percentage isn't balanced there are over there more women than man. So it would interrupt the growth of the Russian population.

Same *** couples were allowed to raise children, not with joint custody but they were still allowed. So, this is a flawed point. I would not have have a child with a woman if I was unable to be with a man. I would simply just abstain from *** or do it in secrecy.

reason 2 is it is proven that most pedophiles that are caught are gay. Most times the pedophiles around the world are man that like little boys. In Russia you better not be a pedophile or else you could easily get beaten up or almost killed by some Russian nationalists. There are many videos of pedophiles getting beaten up there after they wanted to meet 12 year olds who they met on facebook or Vkontakte. So most Russians think if the gay population would increase the pedophile population would also increase.

Please provide proof of this ridiculous claim? Many studies show that 1 out of 10 men is gay. So on average, there is 90% more men in this world that are straight, which means 90% more straight men can be rapist vs the 10% of males that are gay. So how in the hell do you get this ludicrous statement onto the screen in front of you and not logically debunk it with basic reasoning skills? Do you know how many women get raped and are afraid to come clean, because they aren't physically strong enough to defend themselves, so they dare not speak a word. Get out of here with this insane logic.

2nd of all why do you think being a homosexual is a normal thing? Who can say if it is a normal thing to be or not? Exactly the west in your eyes. Even though the situation in the west might be better than in most parts of the world. I don't think our way of living should be the same like all over the world like you want.
When putin came to my country (the Netherlands) Our prime-Minister was talking or more like begging because he is a pvssy to Putin about the violation of the LGBT in Russia. Putin just answered with who are you the one to talk if you got a pedophile party in your "eerste en tweede kamer" (room for our politicians and yes we have or now had one. Not quite sure...

2nd of all? Wouldn't this be your third? Homosexuality has existed longer than any religion has, it has existed longer than the hate for it and it will always exist. I don't know how much more normal it can get. So let me see if I understand you.... Putin came in waving his propaganda flags of hate, to distract Russia from how shitty things are going for you and you all love him? News flash, gay rights should be the least of his worries. He could be spending government money doing much more important things. Instead, he's he's brain washing Russia into attacking their own citizens because he is a bigot and doesn't know what else to do. People can talk bad about Obama and the USA all they want but we have passed through our human rights era and guess what???!!?!?! We learned that oppressing someone isn't the answer.

This mine reasons why banning gay rights should be a normal thing to do if most of the people and politicians agree with it.
On the topic they are beating him up no that is a crime but i would consider it a normal crime not a hate crime. Because gayness almost doesn't exist in Russia.

I am looking forward for what you have to say to me

I am so amazed by the sheer lack of knowledge you posses on a topic that you try and speak passionately about. Do you actually think that gayness doesn't exist in extremely large quantities in Russia? I bet you are surrounded by gay people every day! Hell, you're likely with in ten feet of one right now if you're in a large populated area. Just because they don't tell you, doesn't mean they aren't gay. You likely know many friends who are hiding it. They probably beat up other gay guys and then fondle themselves in private thinking about that person. If you don't know by now Politicians believe what ever they are told to believe. Harming someone for being gay is a hate crime, because people don't choose to be gay. Think if the world changed completely for you and then being straight was suddenly a crime and everyone had to sleep with the same *** or get beat and killed. I bet you wouldn't be pro non-hate crime then.