[Question] How is Sabo above Doflamingo?

[Fireplay]

Luffy is about to whoop DD. If Sabo was weaker than DD it would mean that Luffy is indirectly stronger than Sabo since he is about to beat DD extreme-diff. Sabo can take someone of Luffy's caliber pretty easily (he was toying with Burgess and Diamante) so if he can do that and IF DD is stronger then Sabo it would mean that Luffy has 0 chance of winning.

Conclusion: Luffy aint surpassing Dragon's right hand man yet And DD definately isn't beating him either.

Sabo wins mid-high diff.

If DD is stronger than Sabo then One Piece will end after this arc.

 

[VongolaX]

LOL this is comedy gold right here! Ace negs Crocodile. I know that Crocodile is the most overrated character here, but I didn't know he was this overrated.

Nope, Crocodile's battle experience is miles ahead of Ace.

You think Ace can do that to jozu?

Toss him and Doffy so casually?

Let's also compare how long crocodile fought Akainu.

1. Lived the other one died

2. One saved luffy while the other one saved Jinbei and luffy

3. One got burned and a whole in his chest, while the other one blitzed and clever Akainu in two without getting burned what so ever.

Fun fact: magma burns fire, crocodile did not get burned by ace.

Sand> Fire

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Nope, Crocodile's battle experience is miles ahead of Ace.

You think Ace can do that to jozu?

Toss him and Doffy so casually?

Let's also compare how long crocodile fought Akainu.

1. Lived the other one died

2. One saved luffy while the other one saved Jinbei and luffy

3. One got burned and a whole in his chest, while the other one blitzed and clever Akainu in two without getting burned what so ever.

Fun fact: magma burns fire, crocodile did not get burned by ace.

Sand> Fire

Jozu couldn't even move because of Doffy and Sables didn't do jack shit to him. Akainu was distracted so hitting him and still doing no damage isn't a feat. Crocodile had backup from all of the division commanders.

 

[OG sama]

Nope, Crocodile's battle experience is miles ahead of Ace.

You think Ace can do that to jozu?

Toss him and Doffy so casually?

Let's also compare how long crocodile fought Akainu.

1. Lived the other one died

2. One saved luffy while the other one saved Jinbei and luffy

3. One got burned and a whole in his chest, while the other one blitzed and clever Akainu in two without getting burned what so ever.

Fun fact: magma burns fire, crocodile did not get burned by ace.

Sand> Fire

Experience equals jack shit in this manga. There are people who having been doing this pirate shit for many more years than Ace and can't beat him. Croc is included.

All those points are irrelevant and you know it. Akainu wasn't even focused on Croc, and most definitely never even took him seriously. And Blitzed Akainu? I swear you keep bringing this shit up like members haven't already refuted this shit many times. I'm just going to leave you to your trolling, because I could do this all day. Not worth my time debating with someone who already knows he's wrong and this is off topic anyway.

OP: They are about equal, but Sabo being no 2 of the revos and being pitted up against Fujitora of all people and not taking part in the battle with DD should already tell you whos stronger.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I agree

For damage and physical strength id say it's a tie (but luffy has destroyed Noah by feats does tht make him physically stronger then sabo and Doffy ? No)
Its tie because sabo best feat was the collosiem. Doffy best feat was when he tried to kick the shit out of kyro and luffy interviend which caused Doffy to miss the target which leveled entire half of palace because it was cut clean with doffy kick

More or less both feats r equal but tbh I'll give it to Doffy simply because he only used physical strength in this feat sabo used haki


In terms of haki sabo I feel like shown by feats to be the better one with burgess feat and collosem... Tht doesn't mean Doffy isn't tht far behind I mean he had vergo pica etc underhjm all had great haki but sabo wins tht

Speed tbh it's obvious Doffy was able ton fly to one island and back fight smoker confront akoiji all in one day not to mention he was able to put menover both luffy and law at same time during scuffle

Stamina : not enough feats for either

Durability: Idk for this one ppl argue Doffy Is inferior bdcause law made him bleed when tbh it was emotional move similar to pts luffy making harp bleed does tht mean he has horrible durability

Neither have enough feats but sabo tanked fuji attack but due to his devil fruit left some bruises and a little winded but fine for most part

Doffy tanked red hawk with no signs of physical fatigue after getting up : it was a clean shot be he got up like nothing .. so may give this one to Doffy but unclear so up for debate I'm gonna go with Doffy



Close combat : feel like sabo def succeeds in this due to his haki .. Doffy has better feats with law plus luffy but I personally think sabo specikizes in this while doffy mixes it with df


Df mastery : obvious

Long range combat: for most part I think doffy he has better feats with over heat leveling have of town in instant but sabo can put more force in his haki to create earthqake like attacks (collosem) but I'll give it to Doffy


But yeah Idk why ppl portray sabo to be so ahead of dofflamingo when I think it's the other way around minus the so ahead part
By feats doffy is superior until otherwise shown

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Experience equals jack shit in this manga. There are people who having been doing this pirate shit for many more years than Ace and can't beat him. Croc is included.

All those points are irrelevant and you know it. Akainu wasn't even focused on Croc, and most definitely never even took him seriously. And Blitzed Akainu? I swear you keep bringing this shit up like members haven't already refuted this shit many times. I'm just going to leave you to your trolling, because I could do this all day. Not worth my time debating with someone who already knows he's wrong and this is off topic anyway.

OP: They are about equal, but Sabo being no 2 of the revos and being pitted up against Fujitora of all people and not taking part in the battle with DD should already tell you whos stronger.

I dnt c how being paired up with fuji and losing the fight makes him stronger when law fought both fuji and doffy for a good amount of time off panel similar to fuji vs sabo and lost does tht mean law > sabotage and Doffy ? No ...

Besides this arc is about law and luffy why would doffy fight fuji yet only until it was clear doffy was harming towns folk then fuji turned his attention to him

 

[C REDIT11]

Doflamingo can't go on equal footing with fujitori like that.

Sabo's above Doflamingo by a lot.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Doflamingo can't go on equal footing with fujitori like that.

Sabo's above Doflamingo by a lot.

What proof do u have tht he can't go on equal footing

Doffy stopped jozu easily in his tracks someone who is physically stronger by feats then fuji or sabo
He also broke out of akoiji ice no problem something only wiitebeard shown I believe
Ppl said oh he was breathing heavily well he just was frozen solid ... Who can breath while frozen?? He showed no physical damage

Sabo didn't do anything impressive against fuji except get mid diff there is no evidence that says Doffy can't when he has clashed with admiral level fighters or ppl who can fight admirals evenly for a good amoynt of time (fuji when he kicked fuji staff collided similar to shanks and whitebeard to a lesser extent. Jozu and akoiji)

 

[shon93]

What proof do u have tht he can't go on equal footing

Doffy stopped jozu easily in his tracks someone who is physically stronger by feats then fuji or sabo
He also broke out of akoiji ice no problem something only wiitebeard shown I believe
Ppl said oh he was breathing heavily well he just was frozen solid ... Who can breath while frozen?? He showed no physical damage

Sabo didn't do anything impressive against fuji except get mid diff there is no evidence that says Doffy can't when he has clashed with admiral level fighters or ppl who can fight admirals evenly for a good amoynt of time (fuji when he kicked fuji staff collided similar to shanks and whitebeard to a lesser extent. Jozu and akoiji)

If Fuji could mid diff Sabo then Sabo would be down not walking around in Dressrosa a bit winded...I think Sabo would lose but Fuji would have to pull out high diff shit..because Furocious Tiger is a high diff move and that only hyped Sabo up

And plus even tho the DF helped him vs Fuji it restricted him in that fight too. Try fighting gravity whiles trying to figure out how to move in your logia form and when u should dodge or stay put and let things pass through

 

[OG sama]

I dnt c how being paired up with fuji and losing the fight makes him stronger when law fought both fuji and doffy for a good amount of time off panel similar to fuji vs sabo and lost does tht mean law > sabotage and Doffy ? No ...

Besides this arc is about law and luffy why would doffy fight fuji yet only until it was clear doffy was harming towns folk then fuji turned his attention to him

Except he never lost and the fight was simply canceled. He would have lost but it would have been more difficult. And Law was running away off panel, not fighting them. He blocked one attack from Fuji though.

True, but I think Sabo may be a little stronger by portrayal.

 

[Hexuze]

If Fuji could mid diff Sabo then Sabo would be down not walking around in Dressrosa a bit winded...I think Sabo would lose but Fuji would have to pull out high diff shit..because Furocious Tiger is a high diff move and that only hyped Sabo up

And plus even tho the DF helped him vs Fuji it restricted him in that fight too. Try fighting gravity whiles trying to figure out how to move in your logia form and when u should dodge or stay put and let things pass through

You got no evidence to say it's a high diff. move, we nothing about his entire move set. It didn't seem like he put a lot of effort into that attack either. Also, for argument sake if you were right, why would Sabo want to make him serious then? It doesn't add up. IMO Fujitora was battling Sabo at low-mid diff. but if the battle had continued, Sabo would push him to mid diff. at most.

That's the point, Sabo is new to his DF. He isn't ready yet to face an admiral.

 

[shon93]

You got no evidence to say it's a high diff. move, we nothing about his entire move set. It didn't seem like he put a lot of effort into that attack either. Also, for argument sake if you were right, why would Sabo want to make him serious then? It doesn't add up. IMO Fujitora was battling Sabo at low-mid diff. but if the battle had continued, Sabo would push him to mid diff. at most.

That's the point, Sabo is new to his DF. He isn't ready yet to face an admiral.

In my opinion the battle was at a mid diff up to 757 where Fuji used a named attack...obviously is he uses a name attack for the 1st time its a high level move and I disagree how could u not be ready to face and admiral if u already faces an admiral

He can't bear Fuji but he can fight him with a DF he ate 10 minutes before the fight

 

[Hexuze]

In my opinion the battle was at a mid diff up to 757 where Fuji used a named attack...obviously is he uses a name attack for the 1st time its a high level move and I disagree how could u not be ready to face and admiral if u already faces an admiral

He can't bear Fuji but he can fight him with a DF he ate 10 minutes before the fight

Just because it's a named attack doesn't mean it's a high diff. one.

 

[shon93]

Just because it's a named attack doesn't mean it's a high diff. one.

I think so bro. And even looking at what Furocious Tiger can do it is definetly a high diff attack.

 

[VongolaX]

Jozu couldn't even move because of Doffy and Sables didn't do jack shit to him. Akainu was distracted so hitting him and still doing no damage isn't a feat. Crocodile had backup from all of the division commanders.

Jozu wouldn't of been able to avoid it regardless if doffy could not.

distracted when he has haki?

Even after hitting him distracted, he still couldn't one-shot him when they continued fighting.

 

[VongolaX]

Experience equals jack shit in this manga. There are people who having been doing this pirate shit for many more years than Ace and can't beat him. Croc is included.

All those points are irrelevant and you know it. Akainu wasn't even focused on Croc, and most definitely never even took him seriously. And Blitzed Akainu? I swear you keep bringing this shit up like members haven't already refuted this shit many times. I'm just going to leave you to your trolling, because I could do this all day. Not worth my time debating with someone who already knows he's wrong and this is off topic anyway.

OP: They are about equal, but Sabo being no 2 of the revos and being pitted up against Fujitora of all people and not taking part in the battle with DD should already tell you whos stronger.

This is not a valid excuse

 

[OG sama]

This is not a valid excuse

Well this thread isn't titled Ace vs Crocodile. If you feel like debating about it, make a thread about it.