[Debate] Capital Punishment

[PlatinumTitan]

Your last statement doesn't make sense. You obviously don't understand some worldviews and the moral implications those views bring.

OT: I haven't thought about this topic enough, so I don't really have an answer.

I do understand the moral implications of such views, however, not all believe in and follow their holy book in it's entirety. Which is...actually quite relieving. And is the only time I'd support the hypocrisy. Morality comes from your feelings of guilt, and your empathetic abilities. You can't generalize it to a whole religion, mainly because there are many different interpretations of said belief systems. It varies from person to person, regardless of their faith, or lack of for that matter.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Depends on the severity of the crime, murder should be punished by death. Especially serial killers.

 

[PlatinumTitan]

I'd say let the rape and family of murdered victims decide what to do with the inmate.

As for drugs and money related crimes; These issues could be diminished drastically if the society at large wasn't a system that distributes wealth from the poor to the rich and enslaves the common man by debt and servitude.

Well the problem I see with that is...there isn't an objective point of few from them.
If you were raped, or your brother was killed (or anyone you had close relations to) no doubt you'd want them dead, but that doesn't make it...moral or right. If someone killed anyone I knew and loved, I KNOW I'd want them dead, but I also no not to react rashly to such feelings.

 

[Power Bottom]

The legal system is screwed up. No I don't beleive in it. A lot of innocent people are on death row? Than out of nowhere when they're dead they say oops my bad he was innocent.

 

[PlatinumTitan]

The legal system is screwed up. No I don't beleive in it. A lot of innocent people are on death row? Than out of nowhere when they're dead they say oops my bad he was innocent.

My thoughts exactly. One innocent life isn't worth a thousand guilty ones.
Life is priceless.

 

[Brian Griffin]

Depends on the severity of the crime, murder should be punished by death. Especially serial killers.

When a soldier kills a 100 enemies in war he is a hero,when a cop kills a black guy he is doing his job but when a person who is not working for government kill a few people it is suddenly evil.

A society need all of its population working together.Putting some people away will effect the society.Government tax as more to feed these criminals.If they where not killers they could be doing jobs making government rich.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

There are actually a variety of governments who've outlawed capital punishment, and are doing quite well.
There are also many things that have survived in culture that we find immoral, so I'm losing your point sir.
Slavery exists to this day for instance...

I don't understand what that has to do with anything. My point is that it's needed, not necessarily that it has to happen. But in major countries you could end up having hundreds of people killed because of one persons actions.

Those people have shown that they don't care for existence or respect life. Why should anyone respect theirs?

 

[P3ĮÑ]

When a soldier kills a 100 enemies in war he is a hero

Depends on your outlook. If a nation declares war upon my people and country, and is outright posing a threat. Taking arms for defense measure holds a basis. Capatilism, like communism is a dirty business my friend. Well I consider myself a conservative.

when a cop kills a black guy he is doing his job but when a person who is not working for government kill a few people it is suddenly evil.

Which already gains a lot of attention from mass public and the media, and are equally abhorred for their actions. You have supporters and defendents from both sides, Meanwhile we have children with their necks slit and arms chopped standing next to walls and being used as slaves by the commonfolk, yet I don't see any mass public appeal. I'll assume you living in a progressive and developing nation, fails to address attrocities commited elsewhere.

 

[PlatinumTitan]

I don't understand what that has to do with anything. My point is that it's needed, not necessarily that it has to happen. But in major countries you could end up having hundreds of people killed because of one persons actions.

Those people have shown that they don't care for existence or respect life. Why should anyone respect theirs?

You point is based on revenge. Should rapists be raped? Thieves be stolen from? In America we have more indicted people in Florida than all of Iraq and Syria put together. The fact that the death penalty exists, is not stopping anyone. The US has a considerably higher crime rate than the UK, for instance. And the last executions that took place there before they were outlawed was in 1964.

 

[PlatinumTitan]

Depends on your outlook. If a nation declares war upon my people and country, and is outright posing a threat. Taking arms for defense measure holds a basis. Capatilism, like communism is a dirty business my friend. Well I consider myself a conservative.



Which already gains a lot of attention from mass public and the media, and are equally abhorred for their actions. You have supporters and defendents from both sides, Meanwhile we have children with their necks slit and arms chopped standing next to walls and being used as slaves by the commonfolk, yet I don't see any mass public appeal. I'll assume you living in a progressive and developing nation, fails to address attrocities commited elsewhere.

We, as a country, shouldn't get involved in foreign affairs if we cannot handle our own.
But that's a debate for another time.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

We, as a country, shouldn't get involved in foreign affairs if we cannot handle our own.
But that's a debate for another time.

You're speficially talking about capital punishment (as well as how other goverments use it) and declaring to outlaw it as whole, And I'm sure not everyone here is an american. Well at least I'm not, I'm british. Capital punishment is already outlawed here.

 

[PlatinumTitan]

You're speficially talking about capital punishment (as well as how other goverments use it) and declaring to outlaw it as whole, And I'm sure not everyone here is an american. Well at least I'm not, I'm british. Death sentences are already outlawed here.

Right. I apologize, I had forgotten. Now I can see the sharpness of your point.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

You point is based on revenge. Should rapists be raped? Thieves be stolen from? In America we have more indicted people in Florida than all of Iraq and Syria put together. The fact that the death penalty exists, is not stopping anyone. The US has a considerably higher crime rate than the UK, for instance. And the last executions that took place there before they were outlawed was in 1964.

Nothing will ever stop any crime completely, and sure if you want to call it revenge that's fine. But life isn't guaranteed for anyone but it's not something you can come back from once it's lost.

Rape? Stealing? People can bounce back from those, but when someone loses there mom because she went to go see a movie where some guy killed everyone that's that. End of story, some people aren't even worthy of jail.

 

[PlatinumTitan]

Nothing will ever stop any crime completely, and sure if you want to call it revenge that's fine. But life isn't guaranteed for anyone but it's not something you can come back from once it's lost.

Rape? Stealing? People can bounce back from those, but when someone loses there mom because she went to go see a movie where some guy killed everyone that's that. End of story, some people aren't even worthy of jail.

My point exactly, what of the falsely accused innocents we have killed and disgraced?

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

My point exactly, what of the falsely accused innocents we have killed and disgraced?

Nothing in this world is perfect. To expect that is silly.

 

[PlatinumTitan]

Nothing in this world is perfect. To expect that is silly.

So acknowledging the world isn't perfect justifies murder?

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

So acknowledging the world isn't perfect justifies murder?

Yeah because if the world was perfect no one would get murdered.

 

[YowYan]

Well the problem I see with that is...there isn't an objective point of few from them.
If you were raped, or your brother was killed (or anyone you had close relations to) no doubt you'd want them dead, but that doesn't make it...moral or right. If someone killed anyone I knew and loved, I KNOW I'd want them dead, but I also no not to react rashly to such feelings.

Atleaat you'd have the choice of what to do with the person who ruined/took your relative's life. You basically just stated your reaction to having that power. Being reluctant to playing a shinigami yourself. Which is perfectly fine. But isn't it fair to let everyone else decide? If I had a relative that was raped and the authorities caught the rapist, I wouldn't know what to do either. But I think and hope I'd be indifferent about the rapist's upcoming hell which would be hours of torture. Maybe not by my hands though.

 

[Bronze]

The United States has no balance over its crime punishments. Just look at the crime rates in U.S. and compare them to Capital Punishment countries, like KSA; you could easily see KSA has punishments that society don't have to fear of being murdered, raped or robbed.

Capital Punishment should be applied for murder and rape.

 

[Multiply]

This has been brought up so many times Lol.

OT: Yes, I believe so. Only if we are 100%. There can be no doubt in the case. I also think that death row needs to be done away with. If you're going to kill a man, get on with it and don't drag it out.