Why Naruto became (the most) powerful.

[Romy9]

Did he train for the friendship of Biju? No.
Did he train for BM? No
Did he train for BSM? No
The only things he trained for was Shadow Clones, Rasengan, FRS, Sage Mode, and arguably KCM, everything what was handed to him.

So what? Sasuke got CS from Orochimaru, Itachi's eyes and CS from Juugo. They're pretty balanced out in terms of handouts.

Please tell me who have to watch their parent died under your brother hand and then watch the entire village die again and again within days.
Shikamaru was the smartest and calmest one, yet once his teacher got killed, he search for revenge right away. What is wrong for sasuke to think the same ?

Sasuke exaggerated. Shikamaru sought revenge within reason. In the way that doesn't endanger the lives of his friends/comrades/village.

Sasuke witnessed his parents getting killed but that alone wasn't the factor of his arrogance. He sought power through his own means, alone, without wanting anyone to disturb him. Naruto was the opposite of that. it's the premise of Indra and Ashura entirely.

 

[Shruikan]

Did he train for the friendship of Biju? No.
Did he train for BM? No
Did he train for BSM? No
The only things he trained for was Shadow Clones, Rasengan, FRS, Sage Mode, and arguably KCM, everything what was handed to him.

Agreed with above

 

[Dantee]

Please tell me who have to watch their parent died under your brother hand and then watch the entire village die again and again within days.
Shikamaru was the smartest and calmest one, yet once his teacher got killed, he search for revenge right away. What is wrong for sasuke to think the same ?

It's human nature OP won't admit it. It's really only Naruto who rose above the revenge bs and then spread it to everyone else after. Even Naruto was after revenge when it came to Pein. The lost of Jiraya was to much and then when Hinata was seemingly killed infront of him he broke the Kyuubi free endangering everyone in the village. Naruto is the MC so he rises above it for the sake of the moral value of the manga. Friendship and hardwork doesn't always equate to success. Friends can stab you in the back and hardwork can lead to stress when you try so hard n fail but it's a shounen manga called Naruto.

 

[lndra]

Did he train for the friendship of Biju? No.
Did he train for BM? No
Did he train for BSM? No
The only things he trained for was Shadow Clones, Rasengan, FRS, Sage Mode, and arguably KCM, everything what was handed to him.

You forgot Frog Kata in your post. Summonings jutsu too^

Did Sasuke train for MS? No Itachi set it up for it to unlock
Did Sasuke train for Amaterasu? No
Did Sasuke train for Kagutsuchi? No
Did Sasuke train for Susano'o V1? No
Did Sasuke train for Susano'o V2? No
Did Sasuke train for Susano'o V3? No
Did Sasuke train for Susano'o V4? No
Did Sasuke train for Susano'o PS? No

All Sasuke trained for was Chidori, Chidori variants, Kenjutsu, and Shushin speed/Speed (which he copied via Sharingan). Everything else was handed down to him.

 

[Nagi]

Leave Hashirama out of it. He was not normal. He was a mini god. His strength made no sense at all! If he had went the lonely road, he would've still topped everybody.

 

[Romy9]

Leave Hashirama out of it. He was not normal. He was a mini god. His strength made no sense at all! If he had went the lonely road, he would've still topped everybody.

He was Ashura's transmigrant as well and he was goofy and kinda stupid like Naruto too. It's almost guaranteed he implemented unity and emotions to get to his goal, regardless of his talent from an early age.

 

[Nagi]

He was Ashura's transmigrant as well and he was goofy and kinda stupid like Naruto too. It's almost guaranteed he implemented unity and emotions to get to his goal, regardless of his talent from an early age.

Not only Ashura's transmigrant. Somebody gave him something. I'm not saying hagoromo gave him power. But somebody gave him wood release and special sage mode period! He was not an average ass transmigrant.

 

[Amaterasu]

You forgot Frog Kata in your post. Summonings jutsu too^

Did Sasuke train for MS? No Itachi set it up for it to unlock
Did Sasuke train for Amaterasu? No
Did Sasuke train for Kagutsuchi? No
Did Sasuke train for Susano'o V1? No
Did Sasuke train for Susano'o V2? No
Did Sasuke train for Susano'o V3? No
Did Sasuke train for Susano'o V4? No
Did Sasuke train for Susano'o PS? No

All Sasuke trained for was Chidori, Chidori variants, Kenjutsu, and Shushin speed/Speed (which he copied via Sharingan). Everything else was handed down to him.

Why did you fell obligated to talk about all Susanoos ? You can say that for Naruto too :

Did he train for KN1 ? No.
Did he train for KN2 ? No

etc, etc... Your post is a little bit stupid. And he train to copy Lee's speed too. + Nobody knows what he did with Orochimaru.

 

[Aznkidd]

So what? Sasuke got CS from Orochimaru, Itachi's eyes and CS from Juugo. They're pretty balanced out in terms of handouts.



Sasuke exaggerated. Shikamaru sought revenge within reason. In the way that doesn't endanger the lives of his friends/comrades/village.

Sasuke witnessed his parents getting killed but that alone wasn't the factor of his arrogance. He sought power through his own means, alone, without wanting anyone to disturb him. Naruto was the opposite of that. it's the premise of Indra and Ashura entirely.

Rofl, so now 1closed person die and he has reason for revenge. He come up with plan But he wasnt so sure of it.
And then everybody that you ever know get killed, you have no right to revenge ?
One more do not compare a 6 years old to a mature.... That is a big big different.
That trauma does change people let alone 6 years old kid. That is understandable, this is why naruto never gave up on him (unlike some one out there that i dont want to mention the name, got swayed by few comments)

 

[Roronoa x Zoro]

Why does every good thread on NB have to turn into a heated flame war ?


OT : Good Thread OP

 

[lndra]

Why did you fell obligated to talk about all Susanoos ? You can say that for Naruto too :

Did he train for KN1 ? No.
Did he train for KN2 ? No

etc, etc... Your post is a little bit stupid. And he train to copy Lee's speed too. + Nobody knows what he did with Orochimaru.

What? Because he was talking about BM. So why not bring Susano'o? Does the technique not evolve? Does the technique not grow stronger? V4 Susano'o is obviously not V1, same goes with PS compared to the others.

Not to mention Sasuke was pulling out half-transformed Susano'o powers; Ribcage, etc out without even training too.

Your rebuttal is a little stupid, because I already mentioned his speed training, he based it from Lee's original design. It makes no sense for him to remove that knowledge and start anew. Really made your post for no reason bro.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Naruto
Trained for Kage bunshins
trained for rasengan
trained for summoning jutsu
Trained during the time skip
Trained for the rasenshuriken
trained for sage mode
beat Kurama with the help of his mother and a bit of help with Bee
by gaining the trust of kirama for his hardworks and determination, he gained BM
Gained the trust of the bijuus by freeing them
Having his hard works coming to fruition, he gained the power of Ashura from the Sage

Sasuke
Had emotional breakdown to awaken his sharingan
trained for chidori
trained to reach Lee's speed
Was bitten in the neck for curse mark
Took a pill for curse mark v2
Trained during the time skip
Awakened ms after he heard the truth about itachi
masked tobi to give him Itachi's eyes
received Kurama's chakra
received the rinnegan from sage of six paths

 

[Nagi]

What? Because he was talking about BM. So why not bring Susano'o? Does the technique not evolve? Does the technique not grow stronger? V4 Susano'o is obviously not V1, same goes with PS compared to the others.

Not to mention Sasuke was pulling out half-transformed Susano'o powers; Ribcage, etc out without even training too.

Your rebuttal is a little stupid, because I already mentioned his speed training, he based it from Lee's original design. It makes no sense for him to remove that knowledge and start anew. Really made your post for no reason bro.

Sasuke just simply put out more chakra to make Susano'o change. You don't need no training to JUST PUT OUT MORE CHAKRA. So really pointing out different version of suano'o is stupid.

 

[Amaterasu]

What? Because he was talking about BM. So why not bring Susano'o? Does the technique not evolve? Does the technique not grow stronger? V4 Susano'o is obviously not V1, same goes with PS compared to the others.

Not to mention Sasuke was pulling out half-transformed Susano'o powers; Ribcage, etc out without even training too.

Your rebuttal is a little stupid, because I already mentioned his speed training, he based it from Lee's original design. It makes no sense for him to remove that knowledge and start anew. Really made your post for no reason bro.

V2 is not that different from V1. Also you put Kagutsuchi, you also mentionate Kagutsuchi, which is a derivate from Amaterasu.

All eyes techs did not mean training, you can say that for all Dojutsu charcaters (All Hyugas + All uchihas...)

 

[Nagi]

Naruto
Trained for Kage bunshins
trained for rasengan
trained for summoning jutsu
Trained during the time skip
Trained for the rasenshuriken
trained for sage mode
beat Kurama with the help of his mother and a bit of help with Bee
by gaining the trust of kirama for his hardworks and determination, he gained BM
Gained the trust of the bijuus by freeing them
Having his hard works coming to fruition, he gained the power of Ashura from the Sage

Sasuke
Had emotional breakdown to awaken his sharingan
trained for chidori
trained to reach Lee's speed
Was bitten in the neck for curse mark
Took a pill for curse mark v2
Trained during the time skip
Awakened ms after he heard the truth about itachi
masked tobi to give him Itachi's eyes
received Kurama's chakra
received the rinnegan from sage of six paths

So I guess Sasuke didn't train for his snake or hawk summoning jutsu

 

[Roronoa x Zoro]

Rofl, so now 1closed person die and he has reason for revenge. He come up with plan But he wasnt so sure of it.
And then everybody that you ever know get killed, you have no right to revenge ?
One more do not compare a 6 years old to a mature.... That is a big big different.
That trauma does change people let alone 6 years old kid. That is understandable, this is why naruto never gave up on him (unlike some one out there that i dont want to mention the name, got swayed by few comments)

Learn Grammar .

Anyways from the manga i read , shikamaru came up with a clear plan , he wasn't filled with hate and rage he just wanted to carry out vengeance for his master . Once he got it he stopped . Sasuke on the other hand never stopped . I understand why he was filled with so much hatred , but that doesn't excuse him from his criminal actions , he could have stopped after learning the truth like any rational person but he kept on because he wanted POWER not vengeance anymore .

 

[Roronoa x Zoro]

So I guess Sasuke didn't train for his snake or hawk summoning jutsu

Training Panels ???

 

[lndra]

V2 is not that different from V1. Also you put Kagutsuchi, you also mentionate Kagutsuchi, which is a derivate from Amaterasu.

All eyes techs did not mean training, you can say that for all Dojutsu charcaters (All Hyugas + All uchihas...)

Not at all. Each Susano'o variation is stronger and much more unique than the other.

Kagutsuchi does not derive from Amaterasu, if that was the case than Itachi would have that ability too. Kagutsuchi is Sasuke's original MS ability to remove the MS flames, which he performed with no prior knowledge of having to do so. He just wanted to save Karin, in which he released the flames after trying.

All eye techniques require training. Byakugan, Sharingan, etc are not forms of training for their "seeing" in a sense. With no training, a Byakugan can still see with a 360 rotation right? With a 3T Sharingan, you can still slow down time for precognition by visualizing future muscle movements, correct?

Mangekyo Sharingan techniques are technqiues. The Byakugan viewing and the Sharingan using precognition are not unique traits to the person who activates it alone. With the Byakugan, a Hyuuga member still has to train his body to perform the Taijutsu style Gentle Fist.

With the Sharingan, a Uchiha member still has to train his eyes to perform better with Genjutsu, and reacting to faster shinobi.

 

[Narutohokage324]

So I guess Sasuke didn't train for his snake or hawk summoning jutsu

Nope he did not. Sasuke being the genius probably made the contract seal, and summoned him on his first try. There is nothing in the manga that shows Sasuke actually having trouble summoning any animal, nor him training with it.

 

[Nagi]

Learn Grammar .

Anyways from the manga i read , shikamaru came up with a clear plan , he wasn't filled with hate and rage he just wanted to carry out vengeance for his master . Once he got it he stopped . Sasuke on the other hand never stopped . I understand why he was filled with so much hatred , but that doesn't excuse him from his criminal actions , he could have stopped after learning the truth like any rational person but he kept on because he wanted POWER not vengeance anymore .

Wanted more power? If he had stay in the village, Danzo would've kill him. How he wanted more power? he went blind, the only way to fight now is use Itachi's eyes. If he was serious about wanting more power, he can just simply look at orochimaru's research. Better yet, suigetsu said you should've kept the 8 tailed beast for yourself. Sasuke said no.