Who has the best chakra control

[Kurama Uchiha]

Did Naruto not give someone an eye from scratch? Does that not count as the highest level of medical jutsu?

What about his ability to make 9 rasengans with 9 different nature types in an instant?

Did Naruto invent the reverse shadow clone? In which he shared his chakra with everyone in the alliance, giving them a tailed cloak? For who knows how long. Or the fact that it was stated that his will was instinctively controlling everyone's cloak as well.

And don't let me started on how long Naruto fought without getting tired, a problem someone with lesser cc could not avoid..

Case and point you ask? Narutos got this hands down

 

[savageuchiha]

Obito....he b cheating with kamui...and he can control other people and their chakra

 

[savageuchiha]

No...kurama did that...anyone with tailed beast can...gaara has more cc than naruto...no one healed gaara at all in the war..he has no tailed beast...ok tsunade from ps..but other than that

 

[Dockinabix]

And again strengh=/= power god damnit. Are you people this dense or plain stu**d?

Sakura and tsunade have no strengh feats, just power feats. Power is implying destruction power on impact.Ex: A boxer have power instead of pure strengh.

SM naruto don't have much power feats, just strengh feats. Strengh is implying the capacity to move by lifting/pushing and other similar means a heavy object. Ex: An halterophilia dude have strengh instead of pure power

Comparing the two of them is plain stupid since it's not the same field of expertize.
It's like comparing a draft horse and a race horse.

In strengh no one beats SM naruto since no one can take head on a giant charging rhino with his bare hands, stop him, lifting it and sent him away.
In pure destructive power, in CQC tsunade and sakura are the most powerful until now, but in all fields of destructive power, it's again Naruto in his tailed beast mode who can eradicate an entire country without much a sweat.

And for the topic I stay with the Rasenshuriken because it's an impossible technique that only one person could use. While the other purposals, multiple people have unlocked it.

 

[V h o]

And again strengh=/= power god damnit. Are you people this dense or plain stu**d?

Sakura and tsunade have no strengh feats, just power feats. Power is implying destruction power on impact.Ex: A boxer have power instead of pure strengh.

SM naruto don't have much power feats, just strengh feats. Strengh is implying the capacity to move by lifting/pushing and other similar means a heavy object. Ex: An halterophilia dude have strengh instead of pure power

Comparing the two of them is plain stupid since it's not the same field of expertize.
It's like comparing a draft horse and a race horse.

In strengh no one beats SM naruto since no one can take head on a giant charging rhino with his bare hands, stop him, lifting it and sent him away.
In pure destructive power, in CQC tsunade and sakura are the most powerful until now, but in all fields of destructive power, it's again Naruto in his tailed beast mode who can eradicate an entire country without much a sweat.

And for the topic I stay with the Rasenshuriken because it's an impossible technique that only one person could use. While the other purposals, multiple people have unlocked it.

What's you opinion on Naruto's unrivaled strength with steam release

 

[Paulson3lt]

And again strengh=/= power god damnit. Are you people this dense or plain stu**d?

Sakura and tsunade have no strengh feats, just power feats. Power is implying destruction power on impact.Ex: A boxer have power instead of pure strengh.


Sakura and Tsunda have strength feats. Tsunades ability to crack the ground with her finger was from the result of chakra (power) being converted to strenght. The example you give of a boxer having power and not strenght suggests the two are detached, power isn't a mystical tangent on its own. Its a result of strength. Thats why people like mike tyson hit hard verus somebody who is weak.


SM naruto don't have much power feats, just strengh feats. Strengh is implying the capacity to move by lifting/pushing and other similar means a heavy object. Ex: An halterophilia dude have strengh instead of pure power

How can you use an example of strength in relation to moving/lifting heavy objects with SM naruto. But say tsunade is featless in the same manner? Also your definetion of strength lacks a unit of measurement which implys strength=force=power


Comparing the two of them is plain stupid since it's not the same field of expertize.
It's like comparing a draft horse and a race horse.

First don't have a spelling error in the same sentance in which you call somebody stupid. What is your implication between comparing draft and race horses? Like what is the arguement you see in that analogy in relation to this? Seriously it would do you good to not act emotionally.

 

[Dockinabix]

What's you opinion on Naruto's unrivaled strength with steam release

Wat ? What are you talking about ? ^^

And again strengh=/= power god damnit. Are you people this dense or plain stu**d?

Sakura and tsunade have no strengh feats, just power feats. Power is implying destruction power on impact.Ex: A boxer have power instead of pure strengh.


Sakura and Tsunda have strength feats. Tsunades ability to crack the ground with her finger was from the result of chakra (power) being converted to strenght. The example you give of a boxer having power and not strenght suggests the two are detached, power isn't a mystical tangent on its own. Its a result of strength. Thats why people like mike tyson hit hard verus somebody who is weak.


SM naruto don't have much power feats, just strengh feats. Strengh is implying the capacity to move by lifting/pushing and other similar means a heavy object. Ex: An halterophilia dude have strengh instead of pure power

How can you use an example of strength in relation to moving/lifting heavy objects with SM naruto. But say tsunade is featless in the same manner? Also your definetion of strength lacks a unit of measurement which implys strength=force=power


Comparing the two of them is plain stupid since it's not the same field of expertize.
It's like comparing a draft horse and a race horse.

First don't have a spelling error in the same sentance in which you call somebody stupid. What is your implication between comparing draft and race horses? Like what is the arguement you see in that analogy in relation to this? Seriously it would do you good to not act emotionally.

Tsunade do this with technique, not her "strengh".

When I talk about power is the technique behind. Anybody can hit harder than a bigger guy if you have the technique. A boxer before being strong knows how to punch, how to move. Of course personnal strengh helps, but here I'm talking about pure technique.

When I talk about strengh, it's something doing with the body acting/improvement. Raikage is fast and have a lot of strengh ( he takes guys with one arm and swings them like carpets).
Sm naruto have a natural chakra enhanced muscles with the other bonus.

So when I'm saying that the two of it are different, it's about the approach. Tsunade nor sakura can't do what SM naruto do, the contrary is the same.

Sakura and tsunade can't take a house large bulder and lunch it like nothing. They have no big "strengh" feats.
SM Naruto can't destroy a cliff with his bare hands. He have no big power feats in Sage mode.

Cracking the ground, exploding it, it's not theirs arms who do all the stuff, it's their chakra release techs doing it. And since it applies a impact variable , it's power

For a easier comparison, you asked:
Force= Strengh, Technique= power.

Of course Tech + force is way better. But here, in naruto both part aren't in this point.

Tsunade/sakura "strengh" is a pure technique feat. They release chakra at the impact. It's the chakra release who make the damage, not their arm strengh.
Sage mode is a body enhancement. better sense, absurdly high resistance to hits/impacts, overall strengh enhanced. Even if it's alimented by natural chakra, it's still the arms who do the stuff.

The thing closer to sakura and tsunade punch techs Naruto have is Frog kata since it's a technique. If naruto stopped the charging rhino with a punch, it would have been power feat. Since he took it head on with his enhanced arms, it's strengh. "Enhanced strengh" but it still applies.

I don't try to put down any of the both parts, it's just what they do are different.
Like a draft horse who have more strengh than a race horse, and this last one have more speed than the first one. You can't compare them.

 

[V h o]

@Dockinabix: kairiki musou against kaguya (whatever it's name, means unrivalled strength).

 

[Dockinabix]

@Dockinabix: kairiki musou against kaguya (whatever it's name, means unrivalled strength).

Can you give me the page where it's shown ? I don't remember that. ^^

But for the name, japanese manga is particular. Strengh in manga can means a lot of thing like powerful/strong, having lot of strengh, being resilient etc...

For example: hajime no ippo: Miyata don't have particular physical strengh but he is strong and can pull powerful blows by his techniques. On the contrary, Ippo with a strong and resilient body give him raw destructive power and lacks in techniques in comparisons of the guys in his rank. Both of them are strong but they don't have the same strengh.

So I'll wait the page, in order to answer correctly ^^

 

[V h o]

Can you give me the page where it's shown ? I don't remember that. ^^

But for the name, japanese manga is particular. Strengh in manga can means a lot of thing like powerful/strong, having lot of strengh, being resilient etc...

For example: hajime no ippo: Miyata don't have particular physical strengh but he is strong and can pull powerful blows by his techniques. On the contrary, Ippo with a strong and resilient body give him raw destructive power and lacks in techniques in comparisons of the guys in his rank. Both of them are strong but they don't have the same strengh.

So I'll wait the page, in order to answer correctly ^^

Chapter 684 pg. 7

 

[Dockinabix]

Chapter 684 pg. 7

Oh my. Forgot that one.

It seems with that technique he can enhance his strengh for a short time it seems. Like an short overclocking of his strengh.

It seems that at the impact of the two, an explosion pushed kaguya back. Maybe it "emulates" what tsunade/sakura do with an explosion of chakra at impact.
But since the previous page shows naruto pushing his arm, I'd say Pure strengh. By pure strengh he stop her and push her with brute force and steam explosion.

Well all of this is assumption, I don't know how it works really I won't be categoric ( maybe it's in the data book ).

More over it's in rikoudou mode + SM , not simple SM so it doesn't count on my previous text who is focused in SM naruto. But that's interresting, thanks.

 

[Paulson3lt]

When I talk about power is the technique behind. Anybody can hit harder than a bigger guy if you have the technique. A boxer before being strong knows how to punch, how to move. Of course personnal strengh helps, but here I'm talking about pure technique.

Technique is using your power effeciently. Technique Does not = Power. Technique =Chakra control. Chakra/ability = power. Thats why somebody like Kakashi cant do what Tsunade or Sakura can do.


When I talk about strengh, it's something doing with the body acting/improvement. Raikage is fast and have a lot of strengh ( he takes guys with one arm and swings them like carpets).
Sm naruto have a natural chakra enhanced muscles with the other bonus.

Raikage is able to move fast based on his technique (Raiton, Body flicker), But his strength comes from his power via chakra infusing with his body. Phsyically making him strong. Though Minato is faster, he sure doesn't have phsyical strength like Raikage. Unless you count his KCM which like all chakra enchances the bodies abilities. Just that something like KCM and Sage mode have a more drastic effect.

Also tsunade doesn't have a feat of picking up and throwing a house size boulder. She does have a feat of pushing a car size boulder off her (after being hit with yasaka matamata) as well and busting up Madaras susanoo

 

[uchiha asuku aliyu]

naruto's sage mode control already proved who is

 

[KingHashirama]

I don't really think he meant it to be. Just that was possible. Plus, War Arc SM Naruto is obviously stronger. We just have not seem him actually strike the ground, or a boulder. He is usually using SM for other things.

Kishimoto won't make him strong as Sakura. Due to that being her forte.

When I talk about power is the technique behind. Anybody can hit harder than a bigger guy if you have the technique. A boxer before being strong knows how to punch, how to move. Of course personnal strengh helps, but here I'm talking about pure technique.

Technique is using your power effeciently. Technique Does not = Power. Technique =Chakra control. Chakra/ability = power. Thats why somebody like Kakashi cant do what Tsunade or Sakura can do.


When I talk about strengh, it's something doing with the body acting/improvement. Raikage is fast and have a lot of strengh ( he takes guys with one arm and swings them like carpets).
Sm naruto have a natural chakra enhanced muscles with the other bonus.

Raikage is able to move fast based on his technique (Raiton, Body flicker), But his strength comes from his power via chakra infusing with his body. Phsyically making him strong. Though Minato is faster, he sure doesn't have phsyical strength like Raikage. Unless you count his KCM which like all chakra enchances the bodies abilities. Just that something like KCM and Sage mode have a more drastic effect.

Also tsunade doesn't have a feat of picking up and throwing a house size boulder. She does have a feat of pushing a car size boulder off her (after being hit with yasaka matamata) as well and busting up Madaras susanoo

hmmm for the raikage.. chakra enhances his strength


For Naruto.. Senjutsu chakra enhances his strength..

^^^^ Both them require technique.

Did Naruto not give someone an eye from scratch? Does that not count as the highest level of medical jutsu?

What about his ability to make 9 rasengans with 9 different nature types in an instant?

Did Naruto invent the reverse shadow clone? In which he shared his chakra with everyone in the alliance, giving them a tailed cloak? For who knows how long. Or the fact that it was stated that his will was instinctively controlling everyone's cloak as well.

And don't let me started on how long Naruto fought without getting tired, a problem someone with lesser cc could not avoid..

Case and point you ask? Narutos got this hands down

@Bold, uh no. That isn't medical ninjutsu..

@2ndBold, Naruto only did the chakra giving, the credit for the cloak and its durability goes to Kurama, not Naruto.

@Underline, yea because he has huge reserves

And again strengh=/= power god damnit. Are you people this dense or plain stu**d?

Sakura and tsunade have no strengh feats, just power feats. Power is implying destruction power on impact.Ex: A boxer have power instead of pure strengh.

SM naruto don't have much power feats, just strengh feats. Strengh is implying the capacity to move by lifting/pushing and other similar means a heavy object. Ex: An halterophilia dude have strengh instead of pure power

Comparing the two of them is plain stupid since it's not the same field of expertize.
It's like comparing a draft horse and a race horse.

In strengh no one beats SM naruto since no one can take head on a giant charging rhino with his bare hands, stop him, lifting it and sent him away.
In pure destructive power, in CQC tsunade and sakura are the most powerful until now, but in all fields of destructive power, it's again Naruto in his tailed beast mode who can eradicate an entire country without much a sweat.

And for the topic I stay with the Rasenshuriken because it's an impossible technique that only one person could use. While the other purposals, multiple people have unlocked it.

@Bold, has to do with the ability to put in your nature chakra into spacial chakra... nothing about precision of chakra << something called chakra control.

 

[Paulson3lt]

hmmm for the raikage.. chakra enhances his strength


For Naruto.. Senjutsu chakra enhances his strength..

^^^^ Both them require technique.


Yes. That is my point. I can't tell if you are agreeing or not?

 

[Dockinabix]

Kishimoto won't make him strong as Sakura. Due to that being her forte.

It's not being "strong", it's only about hitting hard an object. Of course he won't make him a hard hitter like her, as you have said it's her signature. Moreover, he have more powerful weapons at his hands.

hmmm for the raikage.. chakra enhances his strength

For Naruto.. Senjutsu chakra enhances his strength..

^^^^ Both them require technique.

In a way yes. But that's not what I mean.

Sage mode is an activation technique who puts you into enhanced self that's all. It's still the body who works when he pull/push something with his arms, fight with bare hands etc... (sage mode acts like a steroid).

While tsunade/sakura punch, she could do it with a finger or her booty, it's the chakra she put at the impact who do the whole job.

That's the difference between " enhanced strengh" and a destructive power only tech.
Naruto have the strengh of hundred men, while everything sakura/tsunade punch will crumble to cobble.

As for raikage, the lighting armour is I think just a boost his speed and resilience. His strengh by looking at his build doesn't need to be much enhanced, but that's not impossible that he enhance it ^^

@Bold, has to do with the ability to put in your nature chakra into spacial chakra... nothing about precision of chakra << something called chakra control.

On the chakra nature part. But you still have to maintain a high speed rotating chakra inside a sphere made of chakra while putting chakra nature in it in the right quantity. Controling simultaneously two aspects of chakra with one of them being in the outmost difficulty. That's chakra control too.

 

[KingHashirama]

It's not being "strong", it's only about hitting hard an object. Of course he won't make him a hard hitter like her, he have more powerful weapon.



In a way yes. But that's not what I mean.

Sage mode is an activation technique who puts you into enhanced self that's all. It's still the body who works when he pull/push something with his arms, fight with bare hands etc... (sage mode acts like a steroid).

While tsunade/sakura punch, she could do it with a finger or her booty, it's the chakra she put at the impact who do the whole job.

That's the difference between "strengh" and a destructive power only tech.

As for raikage, the lighting armour is I think just a boost his speed and resilience. His strengh by looking at his build doesn't need to be much enhanced, but that's not impossible that he enhance it ^^





On the chakra nature part. But you still have to maintain a high speed rotating chakra inside a sphere made of chakra while putting chakra nature in it in the right quantity. Controling simultaneously two aspects of chakra with one of them being in the outmost difficulty. That's chakra control too.

no the chakra control enhances their strength. Whether it be lifting or punching or speed.

hmm you are only enhanced due to specific type of chakra, and once its gone, you no longer have that strength. Same concept as Tsunade and Sakura's.. they simply don't get external energy to boost them up overall. Both are techniques tho mate.

His speed is what enhances his strength ;p.


Yes it is chakra control, not denying it at all. However, as far precision goes its not at the top. Chakra control from day 1 has been about precision. Its supposed to counter people like Naruto who have huge quantities.

 

[Dockinabix]

no the chakra control enhances their strength. Whether it be lifting or punching or speed.

Then post a page where Sakura or Tsunade have abnormal lifting power. ( And when I mean abnormal, at least SM naruto level: at least house sized boulder lifted and launched far away ^^)

Yes it is chakra control, not denying it at all. However, as far precision goes its not at the top. Chakra control from day 1 has been about precision. Its supposed to counter people like Naruto who have huge quantities.

The rasengan itself is top 10, not the hardest, but on the top.

As for chakra control it wasn't about precision since day one. The basic exercises yes, but the first advanced chakra control tech shown was Rasengan, were you have to put the most rotating power inside a controlled and closed environment. The possibilities of chakra precision went after that with tsunade explanations back in konoha.

Moreover I wouldn't say that precision is for counter big chakra characters. It's more likely for being able to stay in fight more time ( at least close to as much as those big monsters of stamina and chakra)

 

[Paulson3lt]

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Kishimoto won't make him strong as Sakura. Due to that being her forte.



hmmm for the raikage.. chakra enhances his strength


For Naruto.. Senjutsu chakra enhances his strength..

^^^^ Both them require technique.




In a way yes. But that's not what I mean. Sage mode is an activation technique who puts you into enhanced self that's all. It's still the body who works when he pull/push something with his arms, fight with bare hands etc... (sage mode acts like a steroid).



What is the difference between what kinghashirama said and what you are trying say?


While tsunade punch, she could do it with a finger or her booty, it's the chakra she push at the impact who do the whole job.

That's the difference between "strengh" and a destructive power only tech.

Everybody in the narutoverse who is a shinobi has augmented strength via chakra. There is no way they swing giant swords, hurl huge kunui and jump vast distances as humans. They get superhuman strength via chakra.Now people like Raikage Despite being a massiv body builder there is no way for him to burst through concrete floors or crack susanoo. And yes sage mode does the exact same thing, just more intense.


As for raikage, the lighting armour is I think just a boost his speed and resilience. His strengh by looking at his build doesn't need to be much enhanced, but that's not impossible that he enhance it ^^

 

[KingHashirama]

Then post a page where Sakura or Tsunade have abnormal lifting power. ( And when I mean abnormal, at least SM naruto level: at least house sized boulder lifted and launched far away ^^)



The rasengan itself is top 10, not the hardest, but on the top.

As for chakra control it wasn't about precision since day one. The basic exercises yes, but the first advanced chakra control tech shown was Rasengan, were you have to put the most rotating power inside a controlled and closed environment. The possibilities of chakra precision went after that with tsunade explanations back in konoha.

Moreover I wouldn't say that precision is for counter big chakra characters. It's more likely for being able to stay in fight more time ( at least close to as much as those big monsters of stamina and chakra)

Now show me where Naruto has jumped that high, with carrying a weapon as big as that with SM.

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The first advanced tech known was Chidori. Rasengan is not even close to the top.. . And also, its only hype is from Kakashi.. someone who hasn't seen all the techniques from people.. such as Hashirama/TobiramaMadara and etc.


They learn chakra control so they don't waste alot of chakra. Thats the only way other people like the Uchiha could match the Senju who had huge quantities.. because of better chakra control with their sharingan. Chakra control since day one has been about precision.

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Kishimoto won't make him strong as Sakura. Due to that being her forte.



hmmm for the raikage.. chakra enhances his strength


For Naruto.. Senjutsu chakra enhances his strength..

^^^^ Both them require technique.




In a way yes. But that's not what I mean. Sage mode is an activation technique who puts you into enhanced self that's all. It's still the body who works when he pull/push something with his arms, fight with bare hands etc... (sage mode acts like a steroid).



What is the difference between what kinghashirama said and what you are trying say?


While tsunade punch, she could do it with a finger or her booty, it's the chakra she push at the impact who do the whole job.

That's the difference between "strengh" and a destructive power only tech.

Everybody in the narutoverse who is a shinobi has augmented strength via chakra. There is no way they swing giant swords, hurl huge kunui and jump vast distances as humans. They get superhuman strength via chakra.Now people like Raikage Despite being a massiv body builder there is no way for him to burst through concrete floors or crack susanoo. And yes sage mode does the exact same thing, just more intense.


As for raikage, the lighting armour is I think just a boost his speed and resilience. His strengh by looking at his build doesn't need to be much enhanced, but that's not impossible that he enhance it ^^

@Bold, and hence why the whole " oh they don't have natural strength" " or its just a technique" is a bad argument. Chakra control to them serves as a steroid to.....