Why do people say the tenseigan and Toneri are weak?

[Zook1]

Yo ! Cobra you ed as fuk XD

 

[chaos control]

Wut Rikodou power
arent u reading wut i typed
Naruto used normal SM[with SM marks below his eyes] RSM Naruto dosen't have marks below his eyes

What part of I never said he used RSM do you not understand?! Do you remember when Naruto kicked Madara's gudoudama? He was in base mode, yet he still used rikudou power to kick the ball and blitz Madara! I am saying that Naruto was similar here. He didn't use RSM. He just used some rikudou power. What part don't you understand?

Here is what may be confusing you:

When I say Rikudou power I don't mean RSM! I mean like what Naruto did to Madara in base mode!

 

[BLAZE]

What part of I never said he used RSM do you not understand?! Do you remember when Naruto kicked Madara's gudoudama? He was in base mode, yet he still used rikudou power to kick the ball and blitz Madara! I am saying that Naruto was similar here. He didn't use RSM. He just used some rikudou power. What part don't you understand?

Here is what may be confusing you:

When I say Rikudou power I don't mean RSM! I mean like what Naruto did to Madara in base mode!

Read the manga Lol

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[SkillMillTill]

Why do people say the tenseigan and Toneri are weak?

 

[DeathXVII]

To most people here: Naruto doesn't need to be in Six Path Sage Mode to use the Tailed Beast Chakra. When the tailed beast chakra was inside him, the tailed beast elements basically became his kekkai genkai..

-Honestly when I first seen Naruto before and when he went into Six Path Sage Mode I thought it was because he had all 9 bits of the tailed beast chakra with the addition of sage mode(some how without the pigmentation there around his eyes) added together. I believed that what gave him similar powers and looks to the 10 tails Jin. Then on top of that he was given temporary Yang seal on his right hand (half of the Six Path Chakra.)

...Well that's what I seen.
Tell me if yall seen it any different or if I'm wrong.

 

[VongolaX]

You can't touch gudodamas without rikudou mode.

Does Toneri have gudodamas?

 

[BLAZE]

You can't touch gudodamas without Rikudo mode.

Does Toneri have gudodamas?

@bold Not true
all u need is Senjutsu

 

[chaos control]

Read the manga Lol

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Your picture just proves my point! Did he have a cloak around him? No! Did he have truth seeking balls around him? No! He clearly wasn't in rikudou sage mode in that scan! Yet he still blitzed Madara and kicked a gudoudama casually! The only way to accomplish such feats would be to use six paths power (unless you think that he was able to just blitz a juubi jin and kick a truth seeking ball like that before meeting Hagoromo, in which case I would like you tell me why in the world he didn't do that in the battle against Obito!)

You are the one who clearly did not read the manga properly. Also, post a scan of a close up of Naruto's face when he went into RSM (the actual cloaked mode with truth seeking balls). There, you will see that he has the same eyes in RSM as he does in the scan you posted. This is what I mean by he used rikudou power in base mode.

You can't touch gudodamas without rikudou mode.

Does Toneri have gudodamas?

Yes Toneri does have gudoudamas.

 

[chaos control]

@bold Not true
all u need is Senjutsu

However, Naruto never had such blitzing speed in normal sage mode. Plus, his eyes only have a horizontal line in normal sage mode (not the + shape in the scan with Madara).

 

[BLAZE]

Your picture just proves my point! Did he have a cloak around him? No! Did he have truth seeking balls around him? No! He clearly wasn't in rikudou sage mode in that scan! Yet he still blitzed Madara and kicked a gudoudama casually! The only way to accomplish such feats would be to use six paths power (unless you think that he was able to just blitz a juubi jin and kick a truth seeking ball like that before meeting Hagoromo, in which case I would like you tell me why in the world he didn't do that in the battle against Obito!)

You are the one who clearly did not read the manga properly. Also, post a scan of a close up of Naruto's face when he went into RSM (the actual cloaked mode with truth seeking balls). There, you will see that he has the same eyes in RSM as he does in the scan you posted. This is what I mean by he used rikudou power in base mode.

Do u Know wut base is
He is cleary using Rikudo power ehanced Sage mode as there is no marks on his eyes but his pupil has the pattern of Kyuubi+Toad eyes

and did u forgot he threw a Sage Aert:Lava FRS in dat mode

However, Naruto never had such blitzing speed in normal sage mode. Plus, his eyes only have a horizontal line in normal sage mode (not the + shape in the scan with Madara).

read the manga :vincent:
pain arc

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go read Narut and Sasuke VS Juubito

 

[chaos control]

Do u Know wut base is
He is cleary using Rikudo power ehanced Sage mode as there is no marks on his eyes but his pupil has the pattern of Kyuubi+Toad eyes

and did u forgot he threw a Sage Aert:Lava FRS in dat mode

Now you are just agreeing with me! You are really just obsessing over the semantics of the word "base" now. When I say that he is using rikudou power in base mode, I say base because his body just looks like that of normal Naruto (as opposed to having a cloak around it). However, I have been saying the whole time that he used rikudou power while not being in RSM! He just had the RSM eyes (which are the same as the BSM eyes).

This brings me to the point that you seem to have been missing: Naruto can use rikudou power in forms lower than RSM. Hence he can use it in BSM (as I am suggesting that he did against Toneri). Is this not clear to you? Let me break it down for you:

RSM= cloak + the eyes + the truth seeking balls = the whole 9 yards
The scan you posted = base mode Naruto using rikudou power.

Do you get it now?

 

[BLAZE]

The scan you posted = base mode Naruto using rikudou power.

Sage Mode= Base :leaf:
Base Naruto using Sage Art: Lava FRS :leaf:

Yes he is using Rikudo power but dats not base

 

[SSStylish]

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You said base form. The general definition of base form is a character that isn't using any kind of power up. Stop arguing.

 

[chaos control]

Sage Mode= Base :leaf:
Base Naruto using Sage Art: Lava FRS :leaf:

Yes he is using Rikudo power but dats not base

It is base. For starters, it is clearly lower than RSM (as I said before, RSM is cloak and the whole 9 yards). Additionally, do you really think that Naruto couldn't go KCM or BM while using this rikudou power if he wanted to? That is what you are insinuating. Basically, it is base while using rikudou power because Naruto can still go up through his modes while still maintaining these eyes and using this power.

You are treating that scan as if that condition of Naruto was a mode of its own (which it is not). It is just Naruto using the powers of a higher mode while being in base. Do you know how in DBZ, sometimes a sayain would get a golden aura around them before doing certain attacks despite not being in super saiyan mode? It is similar to here. Naruto in that scan is not in RSM or any other higher mode. Yet he is using rikudou power (kind of like how when Naruto fought Neji, Naruto used Kurama's power without being in a Kurama related mode).

 

[BLAZE]

It is base.

No it is not

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Really, anybody saying that Toneri is any weaker than Juubito is kind of an idiot. After all, Toneri's firepower is immense, and have immense gravity powers. On top of this, even if you want to argue that Naruto was only using the standard BSM (which he certainly wasn't), then Naruto had 2X the power he did when he fought Juubito, not including training. Throughout the movie, Naruto was doing Rikkudo-like things. Not hard to believe that Naruto could have been using rikkudo-related sage powers to bolster his BSM, like a more potent sage mode. (although not as potent as RSM)

 

[Rikodou Mode]

Naruto didn't even use any of his one shit jutsus

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You want toneri to look strong but Manga naruto > some movie naruto :leaf:

Pls show me confirmation of him using Rikoudo mode

Sasuke lost his Rinnegan because he didn't use any of the paths in the Last. There is your logic.

 

[chaos control]

No it is not

Good bye Jacob. If we are just going to resort to a no its not yes it is no its not yes it is battle then there is no point in continuing. Plus I'm tired anyway. See ya.

 

[Rikodou Mode]

Really, anybody saying that Toneri is any weaker than Juubito is kind of an idiot. After all, Toneri's firepower is immense, and have immense gravity powers. On top of this, even if you want to argue that Naruto was only using the standard BSM (which he certainly wasn't), then Naruto had 2X the power he did when he fought Juubito, not including training. Throughout the movie, Naruto was doing Rikkudo-like things. Not hard to believe that Naruto could have been using rikkudo-related sage powers to bolster his BSM, like a more potent sage mode. (although not as potent as RSM)

Exactly, Obito could barely blow up a battlefield meanwhile Toneri blew a piece of the moon... the MOON, not some tiny ass four red yang jutsu :yeah:

 

[BLAZE]

Sasuke lost his Rinnegan because he didn't use any of the paths in the Last. There is your logic.

Epic Facepalm :|
No one is saying naruto lost his RSM btw

Good bye Jacob. If we are just going to resort to a no its not yes it is no its not yes it is battle then there is no point in continuing. Plus I'm tired anyway. See ya.

Great becoz if u think Naruto used Sage art: Lava FRS in Base Mode then may god help u