Sasuke was the true underdog.
- Thread starter LeSauce
- Start date
KingHashirama
Active member
This guy obviously doesn't know that Itachi and Sasuke used to train together sometimes.. and Sasuke himself used to train by himself.. and his dad even trained him sometimes.. So please stop.This doesn't prove anything. Naruto was used to using BM and SM before Hagoromo too... :| Stop spitting nonsense already
Naruto trained for months ? You forgot the moment when he trained at Shuriken Throwing fo' days ? The only images of early Sasuke training were for his Katon... As I said before Talent =/= Potential but I don't know if your retarded brain can comprehend that.
Cool.
You deserve a medal for knowing that.
If you think Kyuubi was a natural aptitude (which isn't ofc), then yes.
Agree.
Ok, cool, what's your point ?
Naruto within couple of months (part 1) got above Sasuke's level.. thats why your boy sasuke was shaking with jealousy and getting mad at Naruto.
Also, what is the point you are trying to make? You are just going against whatever i'm saying, without stating your point.....
My original discussion was that you people need to stop making excuses like "Sasuke was inexperienced with the rinnegan".. rofl.
Your boy Sasuke has been inferior to Naruto the day Naruto started training to be a ninja... deal with it.
Last edited:
closecombat1254
Member
Transcendence
Active member
I'd be very inclined to disagree. Sasuke is my favourite, and he's arguably the best written character in the manga alongside characters like Nagato, Itachi, Kakashi etc. But no, he wasn't an underdog at any point. To claim that is just really... fallacious? He was born with the genetics of one of the strongest clan's in the entire Naruto Universe. His brother was a genius and his father was the head of the clan, putting him on a higher pedestal already. After the traumatic events of the massacre, that only amplified how much more powerful he could become because of the inner workings of the Uchiha and how the Sharingan awakens. So from the start he was already gifted with innate ability that his peers other than Naruto didn't possess. VoTE 1 and beyond he either took advantage of people like Orochimaru (CM2, snake powers etc.) or Obito (EMS) or just followed suit the entire time. There was no underdog theme behind him. And nobody thought (reasonably) that Naruto would stomp Sasuke. But the thought holds true that he was weaker than Naruto at the time, since they stalemated when he used the Bijuu's. In their forms without Bijuu intervention, Naruto does indeed win, as the manga clearly portrayed.
Yes his dad trained him with his Katon, I already said it, learn to read.
There is barely pages of him training with Itachi, he didn't train as much as Naruto
Didn't say otherwise, you say he was above Sasuke but he lost at VoTE
Hard to not going against whatever bullshit you're saying lmao
Because he was experienced with Rinnegan ? Scan please or you're just denying Kuramas words
Sasuke inferior but he won 2 of their matches...
Neither Naruto, nor Sasuke are underdogs, I agree. My point was more to point out that Sasuke was more of an underdog when compared to Naruto, at least for part of Shippuden.
For V.O.T.E 1 Sasuke had worse feats and even felt weaker, therefore he was less likely to win. That's why he was the underdog then.
That's pretty much all i'm saying. Even you seem to think that Sasuke was weaker and that's the point. Not many would think that Sasuke would be able to tie with Naruto given his feats and hype.
That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Naruto was the underdog in Part 1, Early Part 2, and Pain Arc.
The only time he lost the underdog mojo was during the War Arc/Rikudou power.
SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO
Active member
Awards
Maybe he's an underdog from the perspective of a certain group of readers but not necessarily from the perspective of the characters in-universe, right?
I never said Naruto wasn't the underdog for the majority of part 1, at least compared to Sasuke, but when he defeated Gaara and then had Sasuke feel inferior he wasn't the underdog anymore, Sasuke was.
When Naruto got SM even BZ thought he would win in a fight, so Sasuke was the one who had to prove he was stronger. Though I admit this was very short lived since Naruto admitted he would need Kurama.
KingHashirama
Active member
Dude.. stop already.
Sasuke was going to school, trying to do his best, training so he could be like Itachi.. you think he sat at home not doing shit? as if. The kid was out there working his ass off, to prove to his father that he can be like his brother. <<<< Surely i don't need to give a SASUKE FAN... a scan for this basic knowledge, that any sasuke fan should know of.
Sasuke won at VOTE, because Naruto showed pitty.. did you even pay attention to the fight? Or you just say Sasuke's chidori getting Naruto? rofl.
SAsuke tied at VOTE (even though he believes he lost) , because Naruto again showed him pitty.
If Sasuke was inexperienced with the rinnegan... then similarly, Naruto was inexperienced with RSM....
Sasuke was going to school, trying to do his best, training so he could be like Itachi.. you think he sat at home not doing shit? as if. The kid was out there working his ass off, to prove to his father that he can be like his brother. <<<< Surely i don't need to give a SASUKE FAN... a scan for this basic knowledge, that any sasuke fan should know of.
Sasuke won at VOTE, because Naruto showed pitty.. did you even pay attention to the fight? Or you just say Sasuke's chidori getting Naruto? rofl.
SAsuke tied at VOTE (even though he believes he lost) , because Naruto again showed him pitty.
If Sasuke was inexperienced with the rinnegan... then similarly, Naruto was inexperienced with RSM....
Blackwatch
Active member
Which is ironic because Sasuke is supposed to be a "genius", however he's portrayed like an idiot and is completely outclassed by other geniuses. Kakashi was jounin at 13, Itachi ANBU captain at 13, graduated Academy at like 6, Tobirama was inventing jutsu, Orochimaru has his own realm.
What's Sasuke done to be marked a genius? Get some freebies and hype.
What's Sasuke done to be marked a genius? Get some freebies and hype.
Shadow Phantasm
Active member
I agree that Sasuke was a underdog in the sense that Naruto would always be stronger than him no matter how hard he trained.
Sort of like Vegeta I guess.
Sort of like Vegeta I guess.
King Of Pop
Active member
lool, my thougths exactly, the stupidity of some posts tho.
OT. i understand what you are trying to say, that hes been at times underated by some sections but proved it wrong but perhaps underdog is the wrong word to use. dont think ive ever considered him an underdog
By thinking he is going to be the one to lose, he becomes the underdog. Not everyone thinks that way, sure, but the majority did think that he was the weaker person/the one to lose in the parts I mentioned, that's why he became the underdog at the time.
By thinking he is going to be the one to lose, he becomes the underdog. Not everyone thinks that way, sure, but the majority did think that he was the weaker person/the one to lose in the parts I mentioned, that's why he became the underdog at the time.
Sasuke never had that feel, even when he fought Naruto. He casted a Genjutsu on all of them at once, and performed a Chibaku Tensei, all around the same time.
Literally no battle have I seen Sasuke actually internally struggle, though he always had help, either team mate or outside source. He still put up the image of an overall genius of battle.
Saying that Sasuke looked like the underdog compared to Naruto sounds like an excuse, honestly.
Being the underdog isn't about having to struggle, it's about being the one no one thinks will win.
Sasuke is that person in the moments I mentioned, maybe there's more or less, but those are the examples I saw.
When they were going to fight in part 1, most thought that Naruto was going to win because he was the MC and had better feats, yet Sasuke won.
The same applies to V.O.T.E 2 and when Naruto first got SM. Sasuke was expected to lose, but he didn't.
Kamui Sama
Active member
Bringing up VOTE battles is underrated. No one thought Sasuke was going win, until he activated his Curse Mark. No one thought Naruto was going to win, but then Naruto activated his kyuubi chakra. No one thought Sasuke was going to win, yet he activated his Third Tomoe Sharingan.
Same applies for VOTE 2
It was obviously in no one's favor. Until Sasuke took the Bijuu chakra, then Naruto had to match his power.
Going by two battles, focusing your opinion on who the actual underdog IS. Makes it seem as if you are pulling at straws here.