DSM Kabuto (w/Edos Itachi and Nagato) vs 1MS Obito, Tobirama, SM Naruto

[Beans2]

Who wins?

 

[KidGamer65]

Kabuto's side wins mid diff. Nagato is enough to solo SM Naruto and Tobirama, Obito isn't taking out Itachi and Kabuto at the same time.

 

[Beans2]

Kabuto's side wins mid diff. Nagato is enough to solo SM Naruto and Tobirama, Obito isn't taking out Itachi and Kabuto at the same time.

Tobirama can teleport himself and Naruto to safety in kamui-land at a moment's notice...

 

[KidGamer65]

Tobirama can teleport himself and Naruto to safety in kamui-land at a moment's notice...

Lol, I totally forgot...but that's not going to help them beat Minato, not to mention Tobirama needs to touch Naruto to be able to do that, and he needs to be able to anticipate Shinra Tensei. He can't do that.

 

[Amaterasu]

Team 1 high-diff. Kabuto can use White Rage, the only one who can sees clearly in it is SM Naruto, and he can do nothing against Edo Nagato.

 

[Beans2]

Lol, I totally forgot...but that's not going to help them beat Minato, not to mention Tobirama needs to touch Naruto to be able to do that, and he needs to be able to anticipate Shinra Tensei. He can't do that.

Minato isn't on team 1, and let's say that Nagato and Itachi start in their edo coffins so Nagato doesn't blitz anyone with ST. He can anticipate ST by sending a clone in front of him so when the clone is poofed, he knows ST is coming towards them

 

[KidGamer65]

Minato isn't on team 1, and let's say that Nagato and Itachi start in their edo coffins so Nagato doesn't blitz anyone with ST. He can anticipate ST by sending a clone in front of him so when the clone is poofed, he knows ST is coming towards them

Lol, my bad. I meant Nagato.

But that works pretty much only once. What happens when Nagato engages them again? And this doesn't even include support from Kabuto, namely White Rage. None of Team 2 can move, but all of Team 3 can act in some way. (Itachi was able to put up Susanoo during White Rage) That's the perfect chance for Nagato to plaster them with ST, bar Obito since he'd phase through it.

 

[Beans2]

Lol, my bad. I meant Nagato.

But that works pretty much only once. What happens when Nagato engages them again? And this doesn't even include support from Kabuto, namely White Rage. None of Team 2 can move, but all of Team 3 can act in some way. (Itachi was able to put up Susanoo during White Rage) That's the perfect chance for Nagato to plaster them with ST, bar Obito since he'd phase through it.

When Kabuto uses white rage, Obito goes intangible and Tobirama teleports himself and Naruto into kamui. So that strategy doesn't work.

 

[Lariatoo]

Kabuto mid diff.

 

[KidGamer65]

When Kabuto uses white rage, Obito goes intangible and Tobirama teleports himself and Naruto into kamui. So that strategy doesn't work.

Ok, point. But then there's still Nagato. They can escape from him one time using that strategy, but then they get wrecked every other time after that.

 

[Amaterasu]

When Kabuto uses white rage, Obito goes intangible and Tobirama teleports himself and Naruto into kamui. So that strategy doesn't work.

Depends how fast they react, if they react too late, they would get literally blitz

 

[Beans2]

Ok, point. But then there's still Nagato. They can escape from him one time using that strategy, but then they get wrecked every other time after that.

Why would that strategy of putting a clone in front of them in order to anticipate ST work only once?

Here is a way I think Team 2 would win. Tobirama marks Obito, Naruto, and a kunai. Obito warps the kunai into kamui. Now, whenever they get attacked, they can all easily escape into kamui. Obito walks straight up to Nagato, phasing through all attacks, then materializes so that Tobirama can teleport to his body in the real world using one of his or Naruto's attacks (doesn't matter which one.) Once Nagato is out of the picture, the rest is a breeze.

 

[ARGUS]

Team kabuto wins this handily

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Tobirama can teleport himself and Naruto to safety in kamui-land at a moment's notice...

Wut? Kamui is needed to go to Kamui land so how can Tobirama FTG there?

OT - Team Kabuto

 

[Beans2]

Wut? Kamui is needed to go to Kamui land so how can Tobirama FTG there?

OT - Team Kabuto

Tobirama marks a kunai then Obito warps it to kamui. Now Tobirama can teleport back and forth between kamui

 

[KidGamer65]

Why would that strategy of putting a clone in front of them in order to anticipate ST work only once?

-Nagato can attack using something that isn't ST.

-Nagato can get so close that he can attack both the clone and the original at the same time.

Here is a way I think Team 2 would win. Tobirama marks Obito, Naruto, and a kunai. Obito warps the kunai into kamui. Now, whenever they get attacked, they can all easily escape into kamui. Obito walks straight up to Nagato, phasing through all attacks, then materializes so that Tobirama can teleport to his body in the real world using one of his or Naruto's attacks (doesn't matter which one.) Once Nagato is out of the picture, the rest is a breeze.

If Obito does that, then Nagato unleashes Shinra Tensei right when Tobirama appears and then turns him to paste, if Naruto comes trying to use Rasengan or the like, Preta Path absorbs it and then Shinra Tensei turns him to paste. Not to mention simply attacking Nagato isn't going to help since you made him Edo Tensei, nor is this strategy a guaranteed hit on Nagato since they are teleporting to Obito's body, not Nagato directly.

Then there's the fact that Obito only phases through things when something touches him, causing him to overlap with the object and move the overlapping parts to the other dimension. Shinra Tensei is an intangible force, so it'd probably repel him without giving him the chance to go intangible, foiling this story there.

Then there's the fact that Nagato doesn't have to sit there and let Obito get in his face.

 

[Beans2]

-Nagato can attack using something that isn't ST.

Anything that isn't ST can be avoided with FTG.

-Nagato can get so close that he can attack both the clone and the original at the same time.

Against a teleporting opponent, Nagato controlling the range of the battle is unlikely.

If Obito does that, then Nagato unleashes Shinra Tensei right when Tobirama appears and then turns him to paste, if Naruto comes trying to use Rasengan or the like, Preta Path absorbs it and then Shinra Tensei turns him to paste. Not to mention simply attacking Nagato isn't going to help since you made him Edo Tensei, nor is this strategy a guaranteed hit on Nagato since they are teleporting to Obito's body, not Nagato directly.

How does Nagato react to FTG? Tobirama can just feint anyway, teleport quickly and teleport back to kamui, tricking Nagato into using ST, then he takes advantage of the 5 second interval then kills him with GKF, Rasenshuriken, etc. Or, Naruto launches COFRS at Nagato, forcing him to use ST, then Obito goes up to Nagato and Tobirama teleports to him during the 5 second interval.

Then there's the fact that Obito only phases through things when something touches him, causing him to overlap with the object and move the overlapping parts to the other dimension. Shinra Tensei is an intangible force, so it'd probably repel him without giving him the chance to go intangible, foiling this story there.

I doubt that, honestly. Obito has never come into contact with an intangible force though, so I can't prove this.

Then there's the fact that Nagato doesn't have to sit there and let Obito get in his face.

There's actually nothing Nagato can do to stop him if he's intangible.

 

[KidGamer65]

Anything that isn't ST can be avoided with FTG.

Ok.

Against a teleporting opponent, Nagato controlling the range of the battle is unlikely.

If the original just keeps running, then sure, why not. Tobirama only ends up wasting chakra in the end though, while Nagato has a limitless supply.

How does Nagato react to FTG?

He doesn't need to. Obito is marked, so he'll teleport straight to Obito's body. Unless Obito is literally overlapping Nagato, Tobirama will still have to strike Nagato, and that's when Shinra Tensei repels him.

Tobirama can just feint anyway, teleport quickly and teleport back to kamui, tricking Nagato into using ST,

then he takes advantage of the 5 second interval then kills him with GKF,

No Edo Tensei, and he can't use it while alive. Changed my mind. Not to mention Itachi can protect them with Susanoo.

Rasenshuriken,

Preta Path, or Susanoo.

etc. Or, Naruto launches COFRS at Nagato, forcing him to use ST, then Obito goes up to Nagato and Tobirama teleports to him during the 5 second interval.

He uses ST, and then it nullifies his Rasen Shuriken and then puts Naruto down, then if Obito tries to go up to Nagato during the 5 second interval, Nagato either gets away till his 5 seconds are up, Itachi covers him with Susanoo, or Kabuto hits Obito w/ White Rage.

I doubt that, honestly. Obito has never come into contact with an intangible force though, so I can't prove this.

Unless for some reason it'd touch him, then I can't see why this won't work. It's not like Obito is in ghost mode before getting attacked. He's solid. He only goes ghost mode if something overlaps with a specific part of his body.

There's actually nothing Nagato can do to stop him if he's intangible.

Yeah, but it still creates distance, and it lets Kabuto intervene with White Rage, stopping Obito from moving. Obito can only counter by going into the Kamui dimension himself, but he solidifies when he warps, allowing Itachi to hit him with a continuous burst of Amaterasu.

Not to mention him warping away lets Nagato recover his Deva powers.

 

[KingHashirama]

Obito is the weakling.. compared to his teammates his firepower is drastically low.. and due to that one of them is left unchecked.