[Discussion] sanji is truly underestimated

[A v i]

I'm sure you are the one that should drop his Zoro glasses and read what's going on. You bring the defeat of Pica as prove to put Zoro above Vergo. This is just ridiculous. lol

Vergo showed enough haki feats in one arc by fighting people and providing feats with it. Pica didn't show any haki until now and got defeated easily, while Vergo only lost because of the DF of Law.

Yes he is obviously above Vergo. lolz

If you clean water in your eyes and start reading manga clearly then you'll realize that Zoro has done more than anything Vergo has displayed in one chapter.

What did Vergo displayed?

Breaking the flour with his haki.

Zoro effortlessly cut mountain level golem. A far better feat than Vergo.

One shotted a haki user like Smoker.

Zoro one shotted a full body COA user. Another better feat.

Speed?

Zoro displayed a level of striking speed where Vergo can't even touch this guy.

 

[Bogard]

- Zoro has comparable striking speed to Sanji(the Pacifista incident prove that), that means if Sanji could go tango-to-tango with Vergo or even briefly outspeed him, Zoro should be able to as well. And he even has better range with the swords

- Haki? Well Zoro cut a full body haki user in latest spoiler(who had confident no one could bypass his haki). It's even his speciality. What makes Vergo so special again?

- Fire power? They are miles apart(1080 pound cannon, or his mountain slicer in this spoiler)

- Range? Again Zoro

The only thing Vergo has over Zoro is his dashing speed(soru) and gepou(for mobility), but it doesn't mean much in battle

By feats, Vergo can't win anymore, which is sad when you realise that as an arc antagonist, he had to use everything he got when we've yet to see Asura from Zoro

 

[A v i]

yes smoker haki > zoro haki. he fought vergo with it and didn't got low diffed and injured him. smoker has feats with haki and i fail to see zoro having some. zoro beating a dude that was hiding because he knew he was weaker than him is not a damn feat. haha
picas haki is nothing and is not even close on vergos level yet you claim zoro is above vergo. stupidity is high in your posts man.

Smoker has better haki because fought Vergo? How can you say that Vergo has stronger haki? Because he fought Smoker? Lol Pica's mastery over haki is good enough to go full body COA. That's a feat which speaks for volumes. Aren't you guys thinking so highly of Vergo just because he can go full body COA? When Pica pulls the same he's not that impressive? Why double standards? Is that because he's Zoro's opponent and you don't want Zoro look strong?

great post from a member who is too stupid to debate and posts nothing but bs. anduril the hq poster in the op section!

99.9% of your posts are insults filled with nonsense and you are here to talk about debates?

- Zoro has comparable striking speed to Sanji(the Pacifista incident prove that), that means if Sanji could go tango-to-tango with Vergo or even briefly outspeed him, Zoro should be able to as well. And he even has better range with the swords

- Haki? Well Zoro cut a full body haki user in latest spoiler(who had confident no one could bypass his haki). It's even his speciality. What makes Vergo so special again?

- Fire power? They are miles apart(1080 pound cannon, or his mountain slicer in this spoiler)

- Range? Again Zoro

The only thing Vergo has over Zoro is his dashing speed(soru) and gepou(for mobility), but it doesn't mean much in battle

By feats, Vergo can't win anymore, which is sad when you realise that as an arc antagonist, he had to use everything he got when we've yet to see Asura from Zoro

From the looks of it. It seems like Zoro did not use haki against Pica until now which means that 1080 canon is a haki less attack which proves that he can pull much stronger attack by combining haki with 1080 canon.

Lmao, I thought we'll never get to see Zoro's black COA but he used it in this chapter.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Cut that BS already. People think that he's a haki monster because he has full body COA and Pica pulled same feat in this chapter.

Well tbh read chapter zoro gets some massive feats (as he always does when oda puts the light on him) I personally think vergo haki is stronger then pica simply because law's attack to cut vergo was way more devastating then what zoro used to cut picas full body haki I mean zoro just used one of his minor moves against him while law had to use both his haki and his devil fruit against vergo
With this feat it is unclear who has stronger haki law or zoro but I personally highgly doubt zoro haki is stronger then law haki + devil fruit attack
And I still see law being stronger then zoro soby that logic I view vergos haki > pica especially if u add in the beating vergo gave smoker and the fact he almost broke sanji leg without haki.. vergo specialized in this (think it was said) and is close range fighter wheras pica u seen his fighting style he is not a person who likes to get hit so why would his haki be stronger then someone who doesn't mind to get hit to further his haki ? And vergo was first subordinate it also took smoker to help law to take him down while pica only needed zoro... One thing do u think its underhwleming tht all of executives r getting one shotted ?

But this is just my opinion Im just going by feats and interpretation

 

[Jarex]

it was mentioned by Doflamingo that vergo is his best coa user. So i dont see how pica's coa will be greater than that of vergo.

 

[A v i]

Well tbh read chapter zoro gets some massive feats (as he always does when oda puts the light on him) I personally think vergo haki is stronger then pica simply because law's attack to cut vergo was way more devastating then what zoro used to cut picas full body haki I mean zoro just used one of his minor moves against him while law had to use both his haki and his devil fruit against vergo
With this feat it is unclear who has stronger haki law or zoro but I personally highgly doubt zoro haki is stronger then law haki + devil fruit attack
And I still see law being stronger then zoro soby that logic I view vergos haki > pica especially if u add in the beating vergo gave smoker and the fact he almost broke sanji leg without haki.. vergo specialized in this (think it was said) and is close range fighter wheras pica u seen his fighting style he is not a person who likes to get hit so why would his haki be stronger then someone who doesn't mind to get hit to further his haki ? And vergo was first subordinate it also took smoker to help law to take him down while pica only needed zoro... One thing do u think its underhwleming tht all of executives r getting one shotted ?

But this is just my opinion Im just going by feats and interpretation

I have same points in my mind regarding Pica and Vergo's haki. From todays chapter it's clear to me that Zoro is stronger than Vergo and he can easily stand beside top level supernovas namely Luffy,Law and Kid. Regarding Vergo's topic , I agree with you. Vergo is a better hand to hand combat user and is a pure haki user unlike Pica so it's only logical to assume that Vergo has better haki. We can't say that they are miles a part from each other though. Pica was fairly confidant about Zoro not being able to cut his haki even after witnessing all those high level attacks from Zoro which hints that he's a good haki user.

In terms of overall strength regardless of who's stronger than who, I see them being on par with each other Vergo has better haki,speed and hand to hand combat skills where as Pica has haki, large scale attacks,good mastery over his DF and speed(Inside rocks).

Zoro's haki is most likely stronger than that of Law but Law is stronger as you said.

 

[-Akuma-]

Sanji is not weak, only a fool would think that he's weak but as someone already said Zoro and Luffy are above his level. Those who thinks that Sanji is equal to Zoro seriously needs to re read manga.

Vergo didn't beat Sanji, Sanji did fairly fine against him but he'd have lost against him if they continued to fight. Sanji's leg bone was broken by Vergo means that Vergo had upper hand in Sanji's own game as Sanji mainly uses legs to fight. All of his strength lies in his legs and Vergo managed to break his leg bone.

Don't even try to use those wounds as an excuse, it's just lame. Those wounds are nothing to an M3 level fighter. Pre- TS Sanji took far better attacks head on without receiving much damage. There are no signs of Sanji being exhausted nor did he suffered from those injuries to an extent where they'd actually effect his battle. If Sanji didn't use haki neither did Vergo.

Bottom line is that Sanji is strong but he's not as strong as Sanji fans think.




On a contrary it's just Sanji fan boys who desperately try to put him on Zoro's level by using lame excuses. I haven't seen any threads from Zoro fans saying that Sanji is weak but I have seen threads from Sanji fans saying that Sanji is Zoro level , Sanji is equal to Zoro and Sanji is just a bit below Zoro etc. A quick example would be this thread. I don't get why Sanji fans are obsessed with Zoro.Lol




Fujitora is far stronger than anyone Luffy/Sanji faced after TS.




Feats of Zoro after TS. The scale is on a different level from Sanji..



Decide it on your own after reading today's chapter.Lol

@Those who thinks that Zoro can't cut Full body COA. (It involves spoilers from today's chapter so open it at your own risk.)

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You do realise until THIS chapter Sanji could be argued to be right under Zoro......But there you go showing you bias towards Zoro

 

[A v i]

You do realise until THIS chapter Sanji could be argued to be right under Zoro......But there you go showing you bias towards Zoro

It's just those who rides on feats can't see the fact that Zoro is above Sanji. I don't need feats to conform something so obvious.

 

[-Akuma-]

It's just those who rides on feats can't see the fact that Zoro is above Sanji. I don't need feats to conform something so obvious.

Nobody is saying Sanji is stronger....But the fact you tried to say he wasn't on his level is stupid, you can claim that now because if this chapter....But before you couldn't.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I agree with the sentiment of this thread, but Doffy isn't Admiral Level.

People are going ham and comparing Pica to Vergo even though Vergo is seen as the strongest of the four top executives and his full body COA > Pica's COA